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 Jasper wrote:

I don't know the exact bit and bobs of the European Convention but the universal declarations spirit of letting people get on and enjoy their rights whilst you can enjoy yours are a bit corrupted (maybe the writer was a CSM) when you can not deport suspects to trial, you can be deported on a european arrest warrant (without evidence or leave to appeal I think) and your TV can be repossed because it is your human right to watch This Morning.

Its exactly that kind of nonsense that undermines everything you say.

You complain that we can't get people from Europe to face charges in the UK then complain about the existance of european arrest warrants. European arrest warrants are just the same as UK arrest warrants. They are a notice to the local police force that someone needs to be arrested. Or do you suggest we should go though the long extradition process every time someone commits a crime in the EU (where the all countrys are members of the ECHR and have propper protection and due process in place)? There dose have to be evidence. Just like any arrest warrant.

Why is it wrong that we cannot deport suspects to trial when they may be tourtured or killed? That it the point in universal human rights. They are universal. You do not get to pick and chose who they apply to. We can deport someone as long as they are going to get a fair trial and not have there human rights removed. Human rights say nothing about deporting people.

No idea what your on about with TVs.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
@ Dael,
Historically Scottish People, Welsh People, even Cornish people are different races, they just have a similar skin tone and have been living together for hundreds of years.

No, they are not a different race. They are just not. SOME might like to claim they are, but they are not. The celts, as a race, ceased to exist a long time ago. On your basis we also have a split along the line of the danelaw.

Speak for yourself saxon dog!

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

I don't know the exact bit and bobs of the European Convention but the universal declarations spirit of letting people get on and enjoy their rights whilst you can enjoy yours are a bit corrupted (maybe the writer was a CSM) when you can not deport suspects to trial, you can be deported on a european arrest warrant (without evidence or leave to appeal I think) and your TV can be repossed because it is your human right to watch This Morning.

Its exactly that kind of nonsense that undermines everything you say.

You complain that we can't get people from Europe to face charges in the UK then complain about the existance of european arrest warrants. European arrest warrants are just the same as UK arrest warrants. They are a notice to the local police force that someone needs to be arrested. Or do you suggest we should go though the long extradition process every time someone commits a crime in the EU (where the all countrys are members of the ECHR and have propper protection and due process in place)? There dose have to be evidence. Just like any arrest warrant.

Why is it wrong that we cannot deport suspects to trial when they may be tourtured or killed? That it the point in universal human rights. They are universal. You do not get to pick and chose who they apply to. We can deport someone as long as they are going to get a fair trial and not have there human rights removed. Human rights say nothing about deporting people.

No idea what your on about with TVs.

Saying that I don't know the exact wording of a legal document but by the evidence of it implementation is is not doing the job it was intended to do, nor does the evidence denonstrate it adheres to the principals of a universally accepted (okay a few countries didn't sign it after the war) document. How does this undermine my comments?

No, my complaint is we can not get people out of the UK to face trial. But we can be called out of the UK to a european country on an european arrest warrant and have very little power to protect ourselves individually. The european arrest warrant is a good idea but there is not enough protection against its misuse or its use without good evidence; I don;t have links to the stories (check out the Daily Mail!) but there are cases were holdiay makers have been shipped back and held for long periods on remand in european countries before their cases are thrown out or disproven. The ECHR can do noting to protect against a EUro arrest warrant.

It is wrong to deport if someone faces persecution. The main chap talked about was convicted prior to his arrival in the UK. His retrial has been guaranteed in several ways and at several times to be fairly conducted and free of evidence gained from torture. But we still can not get rid of him.

The TV thing is a poke at what can and can not be repossed as people have a human right to a minimum standard of living (but forget that they should live responsibly to enbjoy it). To be honest its probably not an EU driven thing.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
@ Dael,
Historically Scottish People, Welsh People, even Cornish people are different races, they just have a similar skin tone and have been living together for hundreds of years.

No, they are not a different race. They are just not. SOME might like to claim they are, but they are not. The celts, as a race, ceased to exist a long time ago. On your basis we also have a split along the line of the danelaw.

Speak for yourself saxon dog!

I missed this one. Being split along the line of the danelaw sounds painful.

De - dum, thank you. I'll be appearing here all week.

The Germans have the working time directive too and they are a lot more productive and competitive than us.

They have better education and banking systems to support industry, though.

I really don't see why people would want to put in the hours the Americans and Japanese do. Or why they need to, with modern production technology.

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

And thus the reason presents itself.

 Jasper wrote:

The TV thing is a poke at what can and can not be repossed as people have a human right to a minimum standard of living (but forget that they should live responsibly to enbjoy it). To be honest its probably not an EU driven thing.

And again you prove yourself to be completly ignorant of the world. I work in debt collection. I have worked in debt collection for close on 15 years. You have no idea how repossession works.

There is a very limited number of things a balliff cannot take. They cannot take things you need to live. This dose not include a TV. It includes things like basic furniture, cooker, fridge. This has nothing to do with EU law. It has nothing to do with UK legislation. It is part of UK common law. It dates back to the days of the Royal Assizes. These laws on what can and cannot be taken predate the concept of England as we know it today. They basicly say that you cannot leave someone destitute to pay a debt and that people have to live. It has nothing to do with any human rights laws AT ALL.

The debt collection industry dosn't think that you should be changing these laws, so why should you?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Germans have the working time directive too and they are a lot more productive and competitive than us.

They have better education and banking systems to support industry, though.

I really don't see why people would want to put in the hours the Americans and Japanese do. Or why they need to, with modern production technology.

The Germans are better educated, kept and imporved the ir manufaturing base and more importantly kept wage inflation down, with the help of their unions, during the 10 year period that the souther countries over borrowed and allowed wage inflation to rise too high.

You're right people don't want to put in the USA/Japan style hours but with our education base in the UK is sadly slipping you need to put in the hours or accept a lower standard of living.


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 Goliath wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

And thus the reason presents itself.

Don't understand this comment. The Daily Mail has lots of Anti-EU stories. If you want to find one to support an argument they are a natural place to go and search.

Or we could put the effort into an education and banking system that supports the creation of high quality jobs, like Germany.

The problem with the "work harder, not smarter" idea is that it is a race to the bottom and ultimately can only fail as we gradually compete more directly with China, South America and so on, which countries are starting from a lower cost base.


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The key point being that the UK's decline is nothing to do with the EU.

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

I would rather not.

 Jasper wrote:

but there are cases were holdiay makers have been shipped back and held for long periods on remand in european countries before their cases are thrown out or disproven. The ECHR can do noting to protect against a EUro arrest warrant.

So? People are held on remand in the UK only for there cases to be dropped or be found inocent. The only diffrence in other countrys is they are less likely to get bailed as they are a massive flight risk due to them having to be arrested on a european arrest warent in the first place. I.e. they have already run away.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

The TV thing is a poke at what can and can not be repossed as people have a human right to a minimum standard of living (but forget that they should live responsibly to enbjoy it). To be honest its probably not an EU driven thing.

And again you prove yourself to be completly ignorant of the world. I work in debt collection. I have worked in debt collection for close on 15 years. You have no idea how repossession works.

There is a very limited number of things a balliff cannot take. They cannot take things you need to live. This dose not include a TV. It includes things like basic furniture, cooker, fridge. This has nothing to do with EU law. It has nothing to do with UK legislation. It is part of UK common law. It dates back to the days of the Royal Assizes. These laws on what can and cannot be taken predate the concept of England as we know it today. They basicly say that you cannot leave someone destitute to pay a debt and that people have to live. It has nothing to do with any human rights laws AT ALL.

The debt collection industry dosn't think that you should be changing these laws, so why should you?

I didn't realise fridges pre-dated the concept of England as we know it.

My jest about the TV highlighted that people should be responsible for their actions and not fall back on human rights. Just like a mob turning up to hurl a few insults at Mr Farage and cost the rest of us tax player to pick up the bill for the police required to then protect him for this incident and at any future engagement.

I can't change laws. I don't remember suggesting that the debt collection laws need changing. People need to be made more aware of them to stop collectors conning their way into properties but apart from that they are okay.

Agree about not checking out the Daily Mail, you need to have your BS detector on full.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Or we could put the effort into an education and banking system that supports the creation of high quality jobs, like Germany.

The problem with the "work harder, not smarter" idea is that it is a race to the bottom and ultimately can only fail as we gradually compete more directly with China, South America and so on, which countries are starting from a lower cost base.


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The key point being that the UK's decline is nothing to do with the EU.

I absolutely agree about education . Hopefully Mr Groves changes will get through without too much hassle from the Unions and we could do with less weak University courses. I think banking will be in a bad way in the UK, in or out of Europe their transaction tax is going to send banks and money flocking to Hong Kong.

When your main trading partner is in the cr*p it kinda pulls on you a bit. Maggie had us resurfacing for a time, well she got the lights back on.

 Jasper wrote:

My jest about the TV highlighted that people should be responsible for their actions and not fall back on human rights.

But it highlighted nothing but your missunderstanding of the subject. It has nothing to do with human rights and human rights do not stop people from being responsible for their actions. As you have shown time and again you do not understand the law, you do not understand the govenment and you do not have anything but hearsay and tittle tattle.

 Jasper wrote:

Just like a mob turning up to hurl a few insults at Mr Farage and cost the rest of us tax player to pick up the bill for the police required to then protect him for this incident and at any future engagement.

How about Farage takes responsability for himself and stands up for his policies? If they just wanted to hurl a few insults why are the police needed other than him wanting to hide behind his "rights".

 Jasper wrote:
Hopefully Mr Groves changes will get through without too much hassle from the Unions and we could do with less weak University courses.

Gove is an ideot who lives in the 1950s. Its not the Unions not wanting change, it is almost all teachers realising that roat learning and that kind of nonsense are of the past.

Weak university courses? Which would those be? I guess you mean the odd one that comes up like "David Beckham Studies"? You do know that these make up a vanishingly small number of courses right? UK universitys are some of the strongest in the world.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

I would rather not.

 Jasper wrote:

but there are cases were holdiay makers have been shipped back and held for long periods on remand in european countries before their cases are thrown out or disproven. The ECHR can do noting to protect against a EUro arrest warrant.

So? People are held on remand in the UK only for there cases to be dropped or be found inocent. The only diffrence in other countrys is they are less likely to get bailed as they are a massive flight risk due to them having to be arrested on a european arrest warent in the first place. I.e. they have already run away.

Arrest warrants have usually been used when charges have been made in the abscence of the person and they are not able to answer any of the charges (give evidence) without adhereing to the warrant and then ending up in a foreign jail cell for far too long whilst an investigation starts. Think the Wikileaks chap and Sweden, arrest warrant on spurios one sided charges; and most of us don;t have the option of hangin out in the Peru Embassy (or wherever he is).


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 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

My jest about the TV highlighted that people should be responsible for their actions and not fall back on human rights.

But it highlighted nothing but your missunderstanding of the subject. It has nothing to do with human rights and human rights do not stop people from being responsible for their actions. As you have shown time and again you do not understand the law, you do not understand the govenment and you do not have anything but hearsay and tittle tattle.

 Jasper wrote:

Just like a mob turning up to hurl a few insults at Mr Farage and cost the rest of us tax player to pick up the bill for the police required to then protect him for this incident and at any future engagement.

How about Farage takes responsability for himself and stands up for his policies? If they just wanted to hurl a few insults why are the police needed other than him wanting to hide behind his "rights".

Lots have people have misunderstanding of how debt collection works, that why so many collectors can con their way in. Don't deny it happens!

When a person in a wheel chair moves to stop you leaving a confrontation (you can't real force them out of the way) you have the option of standing outside and let tensions get worse or duck back in side and let worked up people let off steam shooting with less chance of it boiling over. He did the responsible thing for both him and the people protesting. If he fronted up and things had boiled over some of the protestors could be looking down the end of a criminal conviction to blight their futures.

Weak university courses include:

Fish stress management back from the mid 1990s and it just gets worse. Having 50% of the young population go to university is folly. You want the clever ones from ANY walk of life, then you need a good apprenticeship scheme to take the rest on, and get them through colleges and universities if it is then appropriate. (Wow , that sounds a UKIP / Mr Grove thing.)

Some of the UK universites are the best in the world be we are losing ground in the midfield universities with the rise of CHina and India.

 Jasper wrote:

Lots have people have misunderstanding of how debt collection works, that why so many collectors can con their way in. Don't deny it happens!

I didn't deny it. I'm not going to say it dosn't happen. It dose. It is a tiny minority of ballifs on the very outside of the whole credit industry that no reputable company would use. The industry is activly trying to stamp out the tiny number of problems. It is most definatly not "lots" or "so many". It is very very few. Most debt collection is not even balliffs. They are tiny part of the industry, and a tiny part of them are like that.

Those that do are committing a criminal offence and they should be held to account for it.

I don't get what your point is? Are you trying to make me look like a bad guy or embarrass me because of my job?

 Jasper wrote:

Fish stress management back from the mid 1990s and it just gets worse.

Again, you prove my point of not knowing what you are talking about. Fish stress management is a vital part of the aquaculture industry. Aquaculture (fish farming) is a major industry in the UK. Stressed fish don't grow well, get diseases and die.

Please please, for the love of god, stop reading rubbish news papers and think for yourself.

I don't disagree that a 50% aim for universitys is a bad thing. It's too much, but that has nothing to do with wether UKIP is a racist party or with the EU.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

Fish stress management back from the mid 1990s and it just gets worse.

Again, you prove my point of not knowing what you are talking about. Fish stress management is a vital part of the aquaculture industry. Aquaculture (fish farming) is a major industry in the UK. Stressed fish don't grow well, get diseases and die.

Please please, for the love of god, stop reading rubbish news papers and think for yourself.

I don't disagree that a 50% aim for universitys is a bad thing. It's too much, but that has nothing to do with wether UKIP is a racist party or with the EU.

You need to put up some smiley faces with statement like the fish one. It'll stop the forum rising as a baying mob and forcing you to take shelter in a nearby pub.

The fish stress management was a genuine course. I looked through it in a prospectus. I think it was aimed at ornamental fish - the big carp - you find in pools decorating fancy offices.
I suppose the chap who looked after Freddie Mercury's fish could have done with taking the course before the gardener switched off the pump to plug his lawnmower it. Wow that was 9 or 10 years ago now.

The university thing came in from another poster. But Mr G and Mr Fs (well Mr F is not to important as he will never get in) reforms should help stop the rot.
Universities have got a lot to do with the EU, the quirk were people resident in England have to pay if they go to Scottish Universities (Okay if you live in Wales you have to pay but the Welsh assemby subsidise it) whereas if it is the other way you do not.

 Jasper wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

And thus the reason presents itself.

Don't understand this comment. The Daily Mail has lots of Anti-EU stories. If you want to find one to support an argument they are a natural place to go and search.

Ah, see the point that you've missed here, is that the Daily Mail is full of anti-EU stories. Many of which are utter hyperbole and fear-mongering. The Daily Mail is not a reliable source to get news from, unless you want it with a nice thick sheen of right-wingery and xenophobia.

To make an absurdist comparison, it's like someone backing up their hatred of the jews with "but it said in Mein Kampf that they were evil! Just read it and you'll see!" Not to say that your apparent reading of the Daily Mail has made you the lovely, vaguely xenophobic person here today, but that maybe you might be reading it because it backs up your own opinions?



(Yes, I do realise that I just Godwinned the thread)

 Jasper wrote:

You need to put up some smiley faces with statement like the fish one. It'll stop the forum rising as a baying mob and forcing you to take shelter in a nearby pub.

The fish stress management was a genuine course. I looked through it in a prospectus. I think it was aimed at ornamental fish - the big carp - you find in pools decorating fancy offices.

Why? I'm serious. Stress is a major cause of death in fish in aquaculture. Aquaculture is a major industry in the UK. Not much diffrence between Koi carp and commercial carp fisheries. Someone has to teach about it. Often universitys will run courses for one year for a major sponsor who has a number of people they want to attend, and open it up to other students to make extra money.

 Jasper wrote:

The university thing came in from another poster. But Mr G and Mr Fs

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about Gove has nothing to do with Universitys...


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 Jasper wrote:

Universities have got a lot to do with the EU, the quirk were people resident in England have to pay if they go to Scottish Universities (Okay if you live in Wales you have to pay but the Welsh assemby subsidise it) whereas if it is the other way you do not.

You can't even use the facts I gave you right. It is a quirk of the UK that people resident in England have to pay if they go to Scottish Universities. Nothing to do with the EU.

Hang on,

Sorry Steve I didn't mean to imply anything about you. Accuse me of tittale tattle if you want but there are lots of reports of this inproper entry happening. Looking from the outside the industry and in it appear to be a problem (you get similar horror stories with clamping) and unfortunately and industry get tainted by the actions of a few.

In a similar way UKIP are tainted by silly things going, we need to wait and see how far any of the BNP / or racist have got into UKIP in there recent rapid expansion.

People need to live within their means, debts need collecting both from private individuals and from companies to keep the economy ticking over.

We obviously have differing opinions on somethings but I didn't mean any slight. I've quite enjoyed thrashing threw lots of things today.




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 Steve steveson wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

You need to put up some smiley faces with statement like the fish one. It'll stop the forum rising as a baying mob and forcing you to take shelter in a nearby pub.

The fish stress management was a genuine course. I looked through it in a prospectus. I think it was aimed at ornamental fish - the big carp - you find in pools decorating fancy offices.

Why? I'm serious. Stress is a major cause of death in fish in aquaculture. Aquaculture is a major industry in the UK. Not much diffrence between Koi carp and commercial carp fisheries. Someone has to teach about it. Often universitys will run courses for one year for a major sponsor who has a number of people they want to attend, and open it up to other students to make extra money.

 Jasper wrote:

The university thing came in from another poster. But Mr G and Mr Fs

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about Gove has nothing to do with Universitys...


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 Jasper wrote:

Universities have got a lot to do with the EU, the quirk were people resident in England have to pay if they go to Scottish Universities (Okay if you live in Wales you have to pay but the Welsh assemby subsidise it) whereas if it is the other way you do not.

You can't even use the facts I gave you right. It is a quirk of the UK that people resident in England have to pay if they go to Scottish Universities. Nothing to do with the EU.

Do you really need a full time course for fish stress. No this is apprenticeship or college territory.
If you raise the standards within schools you get a student population more willing and capable of taking on serious courses and the soft ones will die away more quickly. His reforms (or some reforms) are important to achieve this.

Agree it is aquirk of the UK but it is a terrible situation where other european nationals have better access to UK universities than people resident in the UK have.


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 Goliath wrote:

 Jasper wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Jasper wrote:
(check out the Daily Mail!)

And thus the reason presents itself.

Don't understand this comment. The Daily Mail has lots of Anti-EU stories. If you want to find one to support an argument they are a natural place to go and search.

Ah, see the point that you've missed here, is that the Daily Mail is full of anti-EU stories. Many of which are utter hyperbole and fear-mongering. The Daily Mail is not a reliable source to get news from, unless you want it with a nice thick sheen of right-wingery and xenophobia.

To make an absurdist comparison, it's like someone backing up their hatred of the jews with "but it said in Mein Kampf that they were evil! Just read it and you'll see!" Not to say that your apparent reading of the Daily Mail has made you the lovely, vaguely xenophobic person here today, but that maybe you might be reading it because it backs up your own opinions?



(Yes, I do realise that I just Godwinned the thread)

It does carry stories that others don't and it is right wing. But once you apply the BS detector they can be quite interesting.

 Jasper wrote:

Do you really need a full time course for fish stress. No this is apprenticeship or college territory.
If you raise the standards within schools you get a student population more willing and capable of taking on serious courses and the soft ones will die away more quickly. His reforms (or some reforms) are important to achieve this.

No idea what the content or level of the course was. All I'm saing that a name of a course dose not in and of itself make it worthless.

 Jasper wrote:

Agree it is aquirk of the UK but it is a terrible situation where other european nationals have better access to UK universities than people resident in the UK have.

Well, fixing that would meen the reversal of devolution.

Steve,

I'm signing off. Need to dash before the angry mob finds me (no my name is not Nigel)! It's been interesting chattering.

Fair enough. It's been fun. I'll tell them you went the other way

EU students can study for free at scottish universities, students with an english address can not.

As it should be until the oppression stops.

 Mr Hyena wrote:

EU students can study for free at scottish universities, students with an english address can not.

As it should be until the oppression stops.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

That clearly isn't true as students resident in the UK are EU students.

 Steve steveson wrote:


How about Farage takes responsability for himself and stands up for his policies? If they just wanted to hurl a few insults why are the police needed other than him wanting to hide behind his "rights".

What an idiotic thing to say. Thats the worst case of blame the victim I have seen in a long time.

Farage went to Edinburgh peacefully and when the imported mob harassed him he tried reasoning with them, as reported by the press. However the mob had no interest in reason.

The police ushered him away. Police are charged with protection of public figures, when incidents like this happen they take control. This is the same for any poltician.

The fact that he tried dialogue is proof enough that he was not hiding behind 'rights'. The police are needed because of scum, supported by apologists who think that such harassment is justifiable. Sad to see that some of those happen to infect Dakka.

Wow just wow, I don't even know where to start with all of this. It went all over the place.

 Frazzled wrote:

1. Who or what is he?

The leader of UK independence party and one of our representatives in the european parliament. Currently no UKIP members represent any UK constituencies in parliament. They did win some local council seats in recent local elections but don't control any councils.

Or

The Messiah he even walked away from a plane crash.

 Frazzled wrote:

2. If you're going to hide out, hiding out in a bar is not bad.

One could argue that there is no better place to hide out.

 Frazzled wrote:

3. Real menz don't hide, unless its from da wimminz.

Lol the pub is probably the best place for that as well.

Now on to some comments I want to that's wrong, I wish I didn't have to but feel I need to, respond to. I won't dig out the quotes because the thread just got to messy to bother finding them so I'm just going to paraphrase.

Its not immigrants its immigration that's causing problems in this country, believing that doesn't make me racist"

Sorry what? Don't get me wrong I understand why some people may not want immigration at the level it is, I don't agree with their believes but I do understand why they hold them. But stating that you don't believe that immigrants are causing a problem its the government letting them in that is causing the problem is so utterly idiotic I am lost for words. If the immigrants aren't a problem then surely immigration shouldn't be a problem. If immigration is a problem it must be because of the immigrants and yes you are being xenophobic.

I would respect these people more if they just admitted their believes but then doublethink is a powerful thing.

Now if its over population you have a problem with then that's a real concern, a global concern and all preventing immigration does is sweep it under the carpet and postpone the inevitable.

Most crimes are committed by black people therefore black people are obviously predisposed to commit crimes

So a disclaimer, I don't know the statistics for crime rates for different ethnic groups, its irrelevant, I don't care. This isn't stupidity, it is racism pure and simple. I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why.

 Steve steveson wrote:


How about Farage takes responsability for himself and stands up for his policies? If they just wanted to hurl a few insults why are the police needed other than him wanting to hide behind his "rights".

.

The man hung up on an interviewer this morning who was trying to discuss the matter, calling the man racist... I don't see that as him trying his best to hold a discussion. Have we had a response from him regarding the First Minister saying he's lost the plot yet? =P

If anyone's "scum" its this man. Our country's past the point when we should have people acting as though its still the days of colonialism.

 Wyrmalla wrote:


If anyone's "scum" its this man. Our country's past the point when we should have people acting as though its still the days of colonialism.

How is what Farage doing or saying 'colonialism'.

I mean his attitude. When you could go around acting like he does and it would be considered proper. As a country I think we're past the point that we fit that stereotype, but I guess somehow people like him still manage to crawl up.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
I mean his attitude. When you could go around acting like he does and it would be considered proper. As a country I think we're past the point that we fit that stereotype, but I guess somehow people like him still manage to crawl up.

What attitude, and acting like what? Please try to make sense.

Farage doesnt come across as someone who has an attitude problem, he is polite for one, unlike the people who came at him. Note that having policies you don't agree with is not a good definition of an attitude problem.