why doesnt anyone take a csm helbrute??

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**Kain**

DarthDiggler wrote:
Dreadknights don't have Wraithcannons. That won't work.

I love how some people are comparing a 100-110pt unit to a 190-240pt unit. Yea well Riptides suck because my Reaver Titan will kill it in one shot.

Maulerfiends can tie up fearless swarms like the Helbrute can. The Maulerfiend probably does it better because it is faster. The Maulerfiend competes in the heavy slot which has lots of good choices. The Helbrute competes in the Elite slot which does not.

Termicide remains good because of how cheaply Chaos can get combi-weapons on deep striking TEQ bodies.

**Vineheart01**

Personally i would never fire my Riptide at a slow moving AV12 walker unless i had to. I'd shoot it with my missilesides lol.

Riptides with IA do best against termies or MEQ squads because its only a single wound against vehicles. I usually dont aim it at vehicles, even rhinos, unless its something in the backfield thats on a rhino body and causing a lot of problems (i.e. nothing else can reach it)