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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'm surprised no one is calling for more gun control. I guess that will be tomorrow.

wont take long for anti gun types to start dancing on the graves of the dead, screaming for more gun control.

Already happened. In the first hour of coverage on MSNBC gun control was mentioned.

That's because the US can't report on a foreign event without throwing their own politics into the matter.

I seriously doubt that is unique to the US.

 CptJake wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I'm surprised no one is calling for more gun control. I guess that will be tomorrow.

wont take long for anti gun types to start dancing on the graves of the dead, screaming for more gun control.

Already happened. In the first hour of coverage on MSNBC gun control was mentioned.

That's because the US can't report on a foreign event without throwing their own politics into the matter.

I seriously doubt that is unique to the US.

I can assure you that it definitely is not.

We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

I don't follow you. Are you suggesting the reason they have power is because they behead others?

feeder wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

I don't follow you. Are you suggesting the reason they have power is because they behead others?

That's part of it, yes. They exercise control primarily through fear and violence, not by offering a modicum of stability.

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

I don't follow you. Are you suggesting the reason they have power is because they behead others?

That's part of it, yes. They exercise control primarily through fear and violence, not by offering a modicum of stability.

Might want to look up the rise of ISIS and all that.

 Jihadin wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

I don't follow you. Are you suggesting the reason they have power is because they behead others?

That's part of it, yes. They exercise control primarily through fear and violence, not by offering a modicum of stability.

Might want to look up the rise of ISIS and all that.

Which one of us are you directing that towards?

Fox Trot not Hotel

 Jihadin wrote:
Fox Trot not Hotel

Okay, I thought so. Just wanted to confirm.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 easysauce wrote:


wont take long for anti gun types to start dancing on the graves of the dead, screaming for more gun control.

Already happened. In the first hour of coverage on MSNBC gun control was mentioned.

That's because the US can't report on a foreign event without throwing their own politics into the matter.

Amen.

 Hordini wrote:

feeder wrote:
We cannot "fight" these radical ideas with bombs and soldiers. The reason ISIS has power is because they are able to offer their people a measure of stability and security in a land that has none. That they are brutal and inhuman to their enemies doesn't matter, people always accept a large injustice against the "others" if it means a small comfort for "ourselves".

The only way we can effectively "fight" ISIS is by stopping the bombing, raise the standard of living of the average citizen over there, encourage universal education. Insane ideas like "let's have a religious holy war" need desperate people to implement them. Starving, uneducated people living in a war zone.

My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I think you need to do some more research on the subject. The reason ISIS has power doesn't have anything to do with offering stability.

What do you mean? What's so bad about murdering everyone who doesn't agree with you, selling women into forced sex slavery & torturing children for amusement? They've got houses to offer their fighters man, that's some serious stability offering right there!
Maybe next we can show them we're not so bad by building an all-girls school for them because, equality is bound to be something they'll set aside their medieval ideology for, right?!



All sarcastic joking aside, just want to throw out that being Friday, if you want to show support, wear red to show your support for our troops!

There's also a movement going on to allow both our lost soldiers to be given an honourary final journey down the Highway of Heroes.

feeder wrote:


My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I know the guy who does a lot of the targeteering for this, and I can tell you that our guys are not dropping bombs 'KNOWING they WILL kill children'. In fact the target approval process and targeteering for the targets being hit makes killing kids by our pilots unlikely. Unless of course Da'Ish is strapping innocent kids in the backs of their pickup trucks or chaining them to ammo cache sites.

"I'm a crack addict and at the same time I'm a religious person... I want to sacrifice freedom and good things... so when I come out, I'll appreciate the things of life more and be clean."- Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, Dec. 2011 Any ties to the islamic state yet? Al Qaeda? This guys must obviously part of the elite unit... We're seriously gonna ramp up security and nationalism because a crackhead killed one person then ineffectively stormed parliament?

Security is going to ramp up on targets that are high vis'ed
So probably a couple armed RMCP at Parliament and at your War Memorial.

Jebus I wonder what our Sentries are thinking as they walk our Unknown Memorial.
(Threw arm guards around the memorial after the incident)

Clearly SOMETHING changed between Dec 2011 and now. He was trying to get to Syria, he had been associating with a guy on the watch list who had gone to Syria to fight.

It wouldn't be the first time some crap bag loser with lots of issues ended up radicalized.

 CptJake wrote:

feeder wrote:


My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I know the guy who does a lot of the targeteering for this, and I can tell you that our guys are not dropping bombs 'KNOWING they WILL kill children'. In fact the target approval process and targeteering for the targets being hit makes killing kids by our pilots unlikely. Unless of course Da'Ish is strapping innocent kids in the backs of their pickup trucks or chaining them to ammo cache sites.

Do they really call them targeteers? Please tell me you at least got your friend a tshirt with his name across the chest and that you greet him with Hey there Hi there Ho there as often as possible.

 CptJake wrote:
Clearly SOMETHING changed between Dec 2011 and now. He was trying to get to Syria, he had been associating with a guy on the watch list who had gone to Syria to fight.

It wouldn't be the first time some crap bag loser with lots of issues ended up radicalized.

Our leader has connected these people's actions to the islamic state. anything that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence., it's conspiracy horsegak until they have direct evidence.

You know what, let's pretend they had direct evidence of these two separate incidences being linked as part of one terrorist cell that proves to be directly connected to the islamic state, let's say xenophobes and nationalists and frothing joingoists get that much evidence. All it says is their capabilities are laughable and they suck at being terrorists.


This guy was a crackhead staying in an ottawa homeless shelter, if this is the elite unit I think we'll be fine.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

feeder wrote:


My countrymen fly CF-18s and drop bombs KNOWING they WILL kill children over there. I accept this because... my freedom? security? I really don't know anymore.

I know the guy who does a lot of the targeteering for this, and I can tell you that our guys are not dropping bombs 'KNOWING they WILL kill children'. In fact the target approval process and targeteering for the targets being hit makes killing kids by our pilots unlikely. Unless of course Da'Ish is strapping innocent kids in the backs of their pickup trucks or chaining them to ammo cache sites.

Do they really call them targeteers? Please tell me you at least got your friend a tshirt with his name across the chest and that you greet him with Hey there Hi there Ho there as often as possible.

They have a tab

 Crablezworth wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Clearly SOMETHING changed between Dec 2011 and now. He was trying to get to Syria, he had been associating with a guy on the watch list who had gone to Syria to fight.

It wouldn't be the first time some crap bag loser with lots of issues ended up radicalized.

Our leader has connected these people's actions to the islamic state. anything that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence., it's conspiracy horsegak until they have direct evidence.

You know what, let's pretend they had direct evidence of these two separate incidences being linked as part of one terrorist cell that proves to be directly connected to the islamic state, let's say xenophobes and nationalists and frothing joingoists get that much evidence. All it says is their capabilities are laughable and they suck at being terrorists.


This guy was a crackhead staying in an ottawa homeless shelter, if this is the elite unit I think we'll be fine.

The dumb*** was 'inspired by ISIS'. He doesn't have to have any actual ties to the group, just that he ended up believing in a crazy, fethed-up perversion of a religion, was already angry/anti-social/high/whatever, and decided to go and commit a horrible & cowardly act aimed at sowing terror and attacking symbols of our national values.

It's actually not that hard a concept to grasp...

ISIS has on multiple occasions called on those who believe the horsegak ideals they believe to take it upon themselves to kill Canadians, Americans, Brits, French, Aussies - anyone who's "an infidel." (ie: it's like calling out to Loafs fans that this year the cup's coming home so they should go and plan the parade right now )
ISIS isn't giving actual training to these crazy gakkers. It's probable that most of what's already happened, and what sadly will likely continue to happen for the foreseeable future, will be the work of angry, radicalised idiots who haven't gone anywhere overseas to fight/train.

Just because these lone wolf attackers have sucked massively at killing & maiming more than a couple of victims at a time doesn't mean the threat should be ignored as "lolz ISIS terrorists are epic failz!lolzlolzlolz!!!"

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Clearly SOMETHING changed between Dec 2011 and now. He was trying to get to Syria, he had been associating with a guy on the watch list who had gone to Syria to fight.

It wouldn't be the first time some crap bag loser with lots of issues ended up radicalized.

Our leader has connected these people's actions to the islamic state. anything that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence., it's conspiracy horsegak until they have direct evidence.

You know what, let's pretend they had direct evidence of these two separate incidences being linked as part of one terrorist cell that proves to be directly connected to the islamic state, let's say xenophobes and nationalists and frothing joingoists get that much evidence. All it says is their capabilities are laughable and they suck at being terrorists.


This guy was a crackhead staying in an ottawa homeless shelter, if this is the elite unit I think we'll be fine.

The dumb*** was 'inspired by ISIS'."

Evidence?

The thing is, without evidence to back up anything you've said I can just as easily say he was inspired by toyata to murder canadians for the rand corporation in conjunction with the reverse vampires. I don't need to prove that mind you, it feels right, there's truthiness there.

I would link a Fox source on a Imam calling on the faithful to to attack western nations being Canada was pretty much (IIRC) singled out for attack. This guy tried to join ISIS and had his passport yanked, Right?


Bear with me being on pain meds and working out sedatives.

 Jihadin wrote:
This guy tried to join ISIS .

Evidence? He also never had a passport to revoke in the first place.

One thing we do know is he begged a judge to be put in jail to help get clean from crack cocaine, We do know that.

 Jihadin wrote:
I would link a Fox source on a Imam calling on the faithful to to attack western nations being Canada was pretty much (IIRC) singled out for attack. This guy tried to join ISIS and had his passport yanked, Right?

Yes, but as I understand it he was applying to get a passport to go to Syria after converting to Islam to most likely join ISIS. He was having problems getting the passport so he decided to attack parliment instead.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I would link a Fox source on a Imam calling on the faithful to to attack western nations being Canada was pretty much (IIRC) singled out for attack. This guy tried to join ISIS and had his passport yanked, Right?

Yes, but as I understand it he was applying to get a passport to go to Syria after converting to Islam to most likely join ISIS. He was having problems getting the passport so he decided to attack parliment instead.

Syria has more resistance groups than baskin robbins has flavours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

And again we need direct evidence of his intentions, not inferences. Here's a difference, I could claim he wanted to go to libya because he was part libyan. That's an infrerrence mind you, I can't prove that that was his intent, because to prove that I would need evidence.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
This guy tried to join ISIS .

Evidence? He also never had a passport to revoke in the first place.

One thing we do know is he begged a judge to be put in jail to help get clean from crack cocaine, We do know that.

He applied for a passport to go to Syria
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/ottawa-shooter-read-posts-by-isis-convert-calling-for-attacks-on-canada/

Also it seems he was influence

So we have a ISIS wannabe who appear to have wanted to join ISIS but could not do it so he carried out a attack possibly in their name. ISIS was quick to pounce on that bit of propaganda.
So why the attack on the war memorial then. Why target the soldier and then go at Parliament.

 Jihadin wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
This guy tried to join ISIS .

Evidence? He also never had a passport to revoke in the first place.

One thing we do know is he begged a judge to be put in jail to help get clean from crack cocaine, We do know that.

He applied for a passport to go to Syria
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/ottawa-shooter-read-posts-by-isis-convert-calling-for-attacks-on-canada/

Also it seems he was influence

So we have a ISIS wannabe who appear to have wanted to join ISIS but could not do it so he carried out a attack possibly in their name. ISIS was quick to pounce on that bit of propaganda.
So why the attack on the war memorial then. Why target the soldier and then go at Parliament.

It doesn't appear well planned. It's possible he shot him because he looked like the first good target.

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
This guy tried to join ISIS .

Evidence? He also never had a passport to revoke in the first place.

One thing we do know is he begged a judge to be put in jail to help get clean from crack cocaine, We do know that.

He applied for a passport to go to Syria
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/ottawa-shooter-read-posts-by-isis-convert-calling-for-attacks-on-canada/

Also it seems he was influence

So we have a ISIS wannabe who appear to have wanted to join ISIS but could not do it so he carried out a attack possibly in their name. ISIS was quick to pounce on that bit of propaganda.
So why the attack on the war memorial then. Why target the soldier and then go at Parliament.

It doesn't appear well planned. It's possible he shot him because he looked like the first good target.

Or a target to make a statement.

Canada votes to assist the US in bombing ISIS
Imam from ISIS calls on attack on western nations who also single out Canada to be attacked
Two soldier killed by a vehicle and driver killed by LEO two days before this attack

Then a Soldier killed at the War Memorial
Same individual made a attack on the parliament where he was opted out.

Edit

What's the distance from Memorial to Parliament. He had numerous targets he could have taken out. Mainly LEO but he went for the soldier and then jacked a car(?) and went for Parliament

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
This guy tried to join ISIS .

Evidence? He also never had a passport to revoke in the first place.

One thing we do know is he begged a judge to be put in jail to help get clean from crack cocaine, We do know that.

He applied for a passport to go to Syria
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/23/ottawa-shooter-read-posts-by-isis-convert-calling-for-attacks-on-canada/

Also it seems he was influence

So we have a ISIS wannabe who appear to have wanted to join ISIS but could not do it so he carried out a attack possibly in their name. ISIS was quick to pounce on that bit of propaganda.
So why the attack on the war memorial then. Why target the soldier and then go at Parliament.

It doesn't appear well planned. It's possible he shot him because he looked like the first good target.

I think it was because he had a gun so he probably saw him as a threat. Later he can be seen running past many other unarmed people. Apparently the soldier's gun wasn't even loaded . It's more of a ceremonial role but I bet that will change from now on.

He tried to get a libyan passport before applying for a canadian one

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-michael-zehaf-bibeau-wanted-libyan-passport-1.2811768

So that awards me psychic powers, so I can totally infer he wanted to go to libya. I can't actually know the motives of a dead man mind you, but, it just feels right.