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david choe wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The problem with david choe here is, among other things, that he is speaking with an air of authority and expertise that he doesn't actually possess - mostly because it doesn't exist!!

Call it sloppy and lazy writing, call it brilliant, or maybe the writers have just lost their way...

Maybe there's a grand design that will eventually be revealed - the Ultimate Long Game?

I certainly hope so!

Hey man, that is very personal and very insulting. You are the MOD here, act like one.

I am speaking with conviction and passion with proof if need be.

If you want to get back to the discussion and show me the proof, then be an adult like the rest of us.

There is no game, you are clearly speaking with ego. What is Rule #1?

Why is nobody seeing this?

Ugh, sorry all. I've been up for a few days, getting to that derpy point of being awake. I also put my vote, which is

"The Emperor Knew About Him, He Was Not Intentionally Created & Was Scattered."

I edited my question to make sense of what I was trying to ask. Since this is about Omegon, I figured it'd be okay to ask a general question about him. I think it got caught up in the last page though, oops.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The problem with david choe here is, among other things, that he is speaking with an air of authority and expertise that he doesn't actually possess - mostly because it doesn't exist!!

Call it sloppy and lazy writing, call it brilliant, or maybe the writers have just lost their way...

Maybe there's a grand design that will eventually be revealed - the Ultimate Long Game?

I certainly hope so!

Hey man, that is very personal and very insulting. You are the MOD here, act like one.

I am speaking with conviction and passion with proof if need be.

If you want to get back to the discussion and show me the proof, then be an adult like the rest of us.

There is no game, you are clearly speaking with ego. What is Rule #1?

Why is nobody seeing this?

On the 'Air of Authority' discussion too much, I'd like to say that many of us may have spoken with the same 'tone'. We have numerous times shown proof other than what is simply on the wiki, and have used the wiki for our own benefit and interpretation.

I for example am trying to present my case as the option that I personally believe true, while I am getting from your specific 'tone' a very matter of fact point of view, that holds its the only way to be right.

The comment that you are speaking with a tone of authority and expertise you don't have isn't him saying you don't know what you are talking about, its that none of us are an authority on the subject. You just seem to put off an air that you are trying to be.

Am I trolling with you? Are we not having a discussion about AL? Maybe show me how I should have write one one of my reply to you where I am not being the authority. I don't even know what that is? Should I reply to you where you are the authority?

It was between us right? Did you feel I was aggressive or did anything to you? MOD came out of no where and attack me.

 david choe wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The problem with david choe here is, among other things, that he is speaking with an air of authority and expertise that he doesn't actually possess - mostly because it doesn't exist!!

Call it sloppy and lazy writing, call it brilliant, or maybe the writers have just lost their way...

Maybe there's a grand design that will eventually be revealed - the Ultimate Long Game?

I certainly hope so!

Hey man, that is very personal and very insulting. You are the MOD here, act like one.

I am speaking with conviction and passion with proof if need be.

If you want to get back to the discussion and show me the proof, then be an adult like the rest of us.

There is no game, you are clearly speaking with ego. What is Rule #1?

Why is nobody seeing this?

On the 'Air of Authority' discussion too much, I'd like to say that many of us may have spoken with the same 'tone'. We have numerous times shown proof other than what is simply on the wiki, and have used the wiki for our own benefit and interpretation.

I for example am trying to present my case as the option that I personally believe true, while I am getting from your specific 'tone' a very matter of fact point of view, that holds its the only way to be right.

The comment that you are speaking with a tone of authority and expertise you don't have isn't him saying you don't know what you are talking about, its that none of us are an authority on the subject. You just seem to put off an air that you are trying to be.

Am I trolling with you? Are we not having a discussion about AL? Maybe show me how I should have write one one of my reply to you where I am not being the authority. I don't even know what that is? Should I reply to you where you are the authority?

It was between us right? Did you feel I was aggressive or did anything to you? MOD came out of no where and attack me.

Please stay on topic, if you have a grievance with someone then message them directly.

 david choe wrote:


Am I trolling with you? Are we not having a discussion about AL? Maybe show me how I should have write one one of my reply to you where I am not being the authority. I don't even know what that is? Should I reply to you where you are the authority?

It was between us right? Did you feel I was aggressive or did anything to you? MOD came out of no where and attack me.

Neither of us are the authority on the topic and that is the point. The fact that you think you are, is one of the things he is (presumably) referring to as a trolling matter. An authority on the subject would be a game designer or author for Games Workshop and the Black Library.

His job as a mod is to watch for anything that can be preceved as hostile and prevent it from escalating, obviously he saw something, so commented. My only real issue was the comparison to ISIS, which isn't because of a knee jerk reaction that its ISIS. But because it is a clearly out of place comparison, and irrelivant to the topic. Too me it was just a grab for attention by using a poor comparison, but I moved past it.

Back to the general topic of the thread, since we have diverted it from the original discussion of Omegon and if the Emperor was aware of him to one on the very nature of the Alpha Legion.

I am keenly interested in seeing where they decide to take the hidden feud between Alpharius and Omegon, and how that will continue to shape the most elusive Legion.

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Exactly - I suspect that there's a fair amount of 'trolling' in a LOT of your posts, actually.

Anyway, does anyone remember if it was Alpharius or Omegon who ended up shooting a Cabal member out of an airlock?

Omegon I believe

I just can't remember myself - so thanks!

If it is indeed Omegon, and I've no reason to doubt you, it certainly is another ''clue" towards which side on the "Cabal Question" he came down on.

Maybe the rift is in fact due to Alpharius 'blindly' accepting the Cabal's vision, whereas Omegon didn't.

I still think that the biggest problem with the Alpha Legion is the whole 'too clever by half' thing - they thought they saw a 'third way' out - save the Emperor and Humanity, defeat Chaos and Horus, AND stymy the Cabal.

It remains to be seen - and I just hope that the BL writers do in fact have a 'grand plan' that they're working from and towards still!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Exactly - I suspect that there's a fair amount of 'trolling' in a LOT of your posts, actually.

Anyway, does anyone remember if it was Alpharius or Omegon who ended up shooting a Cabal member out of an airlock?

Omegon I believe

I just can't remember myself - so thanks!

If it is indeed Omegon, and I've no reason to doubt you, it certainly is another ''clue" towards which side on the "Cabal Question" he came down on.

Maybe the rift is in fact due to Alpharius 'blindly' accepting the Cabal's vision, whereas Omegon didn't.

I still think that the biggest problem with the Alpha Legion is the whole 'too clever by half' thing - they thought they saw a 'third way' out - save the Emperor and Humanity, defeat Chaos and Horus, AND stymy the Cabal.

It remains to be seen - and I just hope that the BL writers do in fact have a 'grand plan' that they're working from and towards still!

I would hope they have a plan as well, and that they aren't just leading us around to do nothing with it.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Exactly - I suspect that there's a fair amount of 'trolling' in a LOT of your posts, actually.

Anyway, does anyone remember if it was Alpharius or Omegon who ended up shooting a Cabal member out of an airlock?

Omegon I believe

I just can't remember myself - so thanks!

If it is indeed Omegon, and I've no reason to doubt you, it certainly is another ''clue" towards which side on the "Cabal Question" he came down on.

Maybe the rift is in fact due to Alpharius 'blindly' accepting the Cabal's vision, whereas Omegon didn't.

I still think that the biggest problem with the Alpha Legion is the whole 'too clever by half' thing - they thought they saw a 'third way' out - save the Emperor and Humanity, defeat Chaos and Horus, AND stymy the Cabal.

It remains to be seen - and I just hope that the BL writers do in fact have a 'grand plan' that they're working from and towards still!

I would hope they have a plan as well, and that they aren't just leading us around to do nothing with it.

I'd love a mega-fracture to occur during/post-heresy, like the Legion sunders below their two warring Primarchs. That's be groovy as!

Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

In a Brotherhood of Brothers, two Brothers will leave their bonds of Brotherhood in a Bitter Battle between Blood Brothers!

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Exactly - I suspect that there's a fair amount of 'trolling' in a LOT of your posts, actually.

Anyway, does anyone remember if it was Alpharius or Omegon who ended up shooting a Cabal member out of an airlock?

Omegon I believe

I just can't remember myself - so thanks!

If it is indeed Omegon, and I've no reason to doubt you, it certainly is another ''clue" towards which side on the "Cabal Question" he came down on.

Maybe the rift is in fact due to Alpharius 'blindly' accepting the Cabal's vision, whereas Omegon didn't.

I still think that the biggest problem with the Alpha Legion is the whole 'too clever by half' thing - they thought they saw a 'third way' out - save the Emperor and Humanity, defeat Chaos and Horus, AND stymy the Cabal.

It remains to be seen - and I just hope that the BL writers do in fact have a 'grand plan' that they're working from and towards still!

I would hope they have a plan as well, and that they aren't just leading us around to do nothing with it.

I'd love a mega-fracture to occur during/post-heresy, like the Legion sunders below their two warring Primarchs. That's be groovy as!

Alpharius wrote:Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

Yeah it has to happen, its too good of an opportunity to miss out on. Plus I am imagining when FW gets their hands on it, Alpharus and Omegon dueling. Trying to out maneuver one another's forces.

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

In a Brotherhood of Brothers, two Brothers will leave their bonds of Brotherhood in a Bitter Battle between Blood Brothers!

Now there's a good secondary title for the next Alpha Legion HH book!

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Yeah it has to happen, its too good of an opportunity to miss out on. Plus I am imagining when FW gets their hands on it, Alpharus and Omegon dueling. Trying to out maneuver one another's forces.

I have to admit - I didn't even think about FW putting the two brothers into a diorama together, fighting each other! Too obvious, so much so that I missed it?!?

Of course HH3 didn't even actually admit to the existence of Omegon, so I think we've got a ways to go before we see an Omegon model, sadly!

 Great White wrote:
The more and more I read this thread, the more lost and confused I get and the more I hate Alpha Legion

Just ignore the David Choe parts and it will be easier.

 Alpharius wrote:

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Yeah it has to happen, its too good of an opportunity to miss out on. Plus I am imagining when FW gets their hands on it, Alpharus and Omegon dueling. Trying to out maneuver one another's forces.

I have to admit - I didn't even think about FW putting the two brothers into a diorama together, fighting each other! Too obvious, so much so that I missed it?!?

Of course HH3 didn't even actually admit to the existence of Omegon, so I think we've got a ways to go before we see an Omegon model, sadly!

Sometimes the most obvious thing is easiest to miss.

I'm sure we will be getting more details of the XXth Legion as the series goes on, I mean heck, they are already getting more Word Bearers stuff out in the next book, and there are still Legions they haven't introduced. I think the Alphas will make their next major appearance when they bring in the White Scars.

Maybe Omegon will become more common knowledge later in the Heresy, if there's a big schism, and then I could see there being rules for him. At the moment I can see why he's not mentioned, he wasn't known about and they're written like history books, but if he's revealed at some point then...

 Alpharius wrote:
Hmmm...

I thought they were in things that looked more like drop pods with a small armored glass view port?

Or was that from Horus' 'vision' in Horus Rising?

Either way, I'm starting to think that the Emperor did NOT initially know about Omegon because Omegon wasn't there yet - that the splitting was caused by "Chaos" and that, ironically enough, the spilt twin turned out to be the "Loyal" one!

It's page 238 in Deliverance Lost However, it could be your right, though they refer to the "glass casing" as "open."

A split may have happened after; "Alpharius" notices pod XX is the same size as the other pods.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Maybe Omegon will become more common knowledge later in the Heresy, if there's a big schism, and then I could see there being rules for him. At the moment I can see why he's not mentioned, he wasn't known about and they're written like history books, but if he's revealed at some point then...

A little part of me hopes they keep him shrouded in mystery, and not release much more on Alpha legion.

 Alpharius wrote:

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

In a Brotherhood of Brothers, two Brothers will leave their bonds of Brotherhood in a Bitter Battle between Blood Brothers!

Now there's a good secondary title for the next Alpha Legion HH book!

If the latest ones are anything to go by, I'm guessing Slithering Serpent Snake Silently.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Oh, that's definitely happening!

NO WAY Black Library is going to miss out on a Civil War between the only two actual real brothers during the Galactic Civil War that is...The Horus Heresy!

In a Brotherhood of Brothers, two Brothers will leave their bonds of Brotherhood in a Bitter Battle between Blood Brothers!

Now there's a good secondary title for the next Alpha Legion HH book!

If the latest ones are anything to go by, I'm guessing Slithering Serpent Snake Silently.

Dont forget there is a whole slew of Serpents they can use in addition to the Hydras they use.

Just imagine Codex: Alpha Legion; The Serpent's Fangs, the Scales of the Viper, what ever of the Ouroboros, Hydra's magic pencil.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Hmmm...

I thought they were in things that looked more like drop pods with a small armored glass view port?

Or was that from Horus' 'vision' in Horus Rising?

Either way, I'm starting to think that the Emperor did NOT initially know about Omegon because Omegon wasn't there yet - that the splitting was caused by "Chaos" and that, ironically enough, the spilt twin turned out to be the "Loyal" one!

It's page 238 in Deliverance Lost However, it could be your right, though they refer to the "glass casing" as "open."

A split may have happened after; "Alpharius" notices pod XX is the same size as the other pods.

You are indeed correct, however on p239

Deliverance Lost
Each of the incubators was numbered on its side. Corax quickly sought out number 19, his own chamber. He realised something was wrong as he approached. The incubator was incomplete, its insides missing like a tomb with no coffin withing

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Hmmm...

I thought they were in things that looked more like drop pods with a small armored glass view port?

Or was that from Horus' 'vision' in Horus Rising?

Either way, I'm starting to think that the Emperor did NOT initially know about Omegon because Omegon wasn't there yet - that the splitting was caused by "Chaos" and that, ironically enough, the spilt twin turned out to be the "Loyal" one!

It's page 238 in Deliverance Lost However, it could be your right, though they refer to the "glass casing" as "open."

A split may have happened after; "Alpharius" notices pod XX is the same size as the other pods.

You are indeed correct, however on p239

Deliverance Lost
Each of the incubators was numbered on its side. Corax quickly sought out number 19, his own chamber. He realised something was wrong as he approached. The incubator was incomplete, its insides missing like a tomb with no coffin withing

Weird, not in mine! Mine's paperback and it's near the bottom.

So is mine.

Have a gender when you get in, it's on the opposite page to where the glass is mentioned I think.

 Pilau Rice wrote:
So is mine.

Have a gender when you get in, it's on the opposite page to where the glass is mentioned I think.

Derr, I was looking at this:

Corax recognised them immediately: the incubators of the primarchs. They were empty of their artificial amniotic fluids, their glass cases raised open.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
So is mine.

Have a gender when you get in, it's on the opposite page to where the glass is mentioned I think.

Derr, I was looking at this:

Corax recognised them immediately: the incubators of the primarchs. They were empty of their artificial amniotic fluids, their glass cases raised open.

It does raise the question though, how did the Glass remain intact when the Chaos Gods ripped them from the Laboratory and how did Horus gaze into the tank with glass in the way?

Magic warp glass.

Maybe that's the knowledge the Emperor got from the chaos gods. Nothing to do with the Primarchs, just the construction of the tanks.

The gods are powerless against Emprah Glass.

If the Primarchs retain their allegedly perfect memory, why wouldn't they be able to look back now and remember their births in the pods? Previously, they could have written it off as a strange dream. With the coming of the Emperor and Great Crusade, surely they gave those dreams more thought.

Fulgrim admits in VS that Primarch memories can be tampered with, so it's possible that the warp influence in scattering them also corrupted these memories.

 Pilau Rice wrote:




It does raise the question though, how did the Glass remain intact when the Chaos Gods ripped them from the Laboratory and how did Horus gaze into the tank with glass in the way?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Magic warp glass.

Maybe that's the knowledge the Emperor got from the chaos gods. Nothing to do with the Primarchs, just the construction of the tanks.

I'm presuming the Chaos Gods didn't make a scene and just raised the glass cases

I just think either alpharius has a split personality, or he just wants to confuse people even more.

 irritatedastartes wrote:
I just think either alpharius has a split personality, or he just wants to confuse people even more.

In the Hous Heresy series there is Omegon in the flesh.

If Forge World comes out with Alpha Legion stuff we'll have to call them Space Snakes...


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