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YouKnowsIt wrote:
To be fair the people he is talking about did accuse him of fraud. With zero evidence.

Am I among those ones? Because I certainly am among the ones Mmmpi mentions.

 Mmmpi wrote:
Well, if we're being fair, they admitted to it; albeit for reasonable reasons, which makes the accusation true.

Where did anyone from DP9 say they put money into the KS to ensure it funded?

 Dream Pod 9 wrote:

Dave, who is not the Creator, made a minimum $6 pledge so he could post comments if I was away from the computer and could not post them in a timely manner.

As Dave works at the company and is using his account in a capacity as a creator it would fall under fraud.

Again, the reason why he did it is completely understandable, and the odds of it leading to anything resembling a punishment is practically non-existent. But since we're calling a duck a duck...

I wouldn't say $6 is "put money into the KS to ensure it funded"

As Canadian I'm sorry for implying that some who post on DakkaDakka are trolling and apologize for the remark.

On a side note I really love the ending scene of the Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back movie. :-)

I guess that's a "no" then.

YouKnowsIt wrote:I wouldn't say $6 is "put money into the KS to ensure it funded"

You're right. I also said that it wasn't an amount that anyone would normally worry about.

Dream Pod 9 wrote:As Canadian I'm sorry for implying that some who post on DakkaDakka are trolling and apologize for the remark.

On a side note I really love the ending scene of the Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back movie. :-)

As an American, I accept your apology, and offer my own for implying a lack of integrity.

On a side note I want to remind you that I'm an American. ;-)

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that's a "no" then.

Yes, its a "no" as you did not support the Utopia Kickstarter. We'll be making Kickstarter update posts for the Backers first, with images of the parts sprues once our 3d modeler has time to get the parts sprued in Solidworks. We don't plan on putting any of those posts here on the DakkaDakka forum.

 Dream Pod 9 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that's a "no" then.

Yes, its a "no" as you did not support the Utopia Kickstarter. We'll be making Kickstarter update posts for the Backers first, with images of the parts sprues once our 3d modeler has time to get the parts sprued in Solidworks. We don't plan on putting any of those posts here on the DakkaDakka forum.

You... do realize that you have here people that have not supported the Utopia KS for whatever reason, and that it would be good for you to divulge them that information, right? I mean, I don't know what about that question was that bad, or why would that be secret information only available to people that have already given you money...

But hey, more power to you. Also, welcome to the ignore list.

 Dream Pod 9 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that's a "no" then.

Yes, its a "no" as you did not support the Utopia Kickstarter. We'll be making Kickstarter update posts for the Backers first, with images of the parts sprues once our 3d modeler has time to get the parts sprued in Solidworks. We don't plan on putting any of those posts here on the DakkaDakka forum.

So you will not advertise your ware outside the 192 people that pledged their support to you ? That's an interesting approach to marketing, there...

 HudsonD wrote:
So you will not advertise your ware outside the 192 people that pledged their support to you ? That's an interesting approach to marketing, there...

Well, I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

 Albertorius wrote:

Well, I'm sure he knows what he's doing.

Of course, that's why he had to double his offer over the KS course, just to make it to the basic goal. You certainly don't see that often...

DP9: Take a few minutes. A few deep breaths. You're letting your anger get the better of you. Spend a few days cooling down. Have Dave do the updates if some of your critics are making you angry enough to lash out.

You're taking swings at people who are already pissed at you, or at least are at a low simmer. But attacking them the way you are is just proving them right.

As a good friend of mine likes to say: "Chill dude!"

 Mmmpi wrote:
Seriously, this is low. Especially as most of the 'trolls' on this forum love heavy gear, and have tried to help in the past only to be rebuffed and hounded out of the DP9 forums. Yes some might have let their mouths get a bit carried away, or were acting like grognards, but seriously.

Honestly, I don't want to come across as a White Knight for the Pod, but given the level of negativity of some repeat posters, the comment seems rather tame.

And how hard is it to make a 2nd account and attach a paypay to it? I have a friend who did it when his wife though he was spending too much money on their shared account.

Especially given the posts that seem to suggest fraud on the part of the creators. It doesn't even make any sense. If they need $30K to finance the project, how does pledging their own money help?

I mostly agree that, with the information we currently have regarding the money they need to make the Utopia sprues happen, it makes little sense to use their own money to fund the thing, particularly at the time when it would have been done.

OTOH, deciding to advertise your new products only to the 200 people that already have given you money for it doesn't make any sense, either.

 mdauben wrote:
Especially given the posts that seem to suggest fraud on the part of the creators. It doesn't even make any sense. If they need $30K to finance the project, how does pledging their own money help?

Gets them over the hump if they were short some, or reach the finish if they were short near the end. Give the appearance of more activity which could draw in on the fence watchers. Lets them start off with a bigger bang, attracting more people then they otherwise might.

Having said that: A: it turns out I was right, just for the wrong reason, and B: I already apologized to DP9 about it earlier in this thread.

 Albertorius wrote:

OTOH, deciding to advertise your new products only to the 200 people that already have given you money for it doesn't make any sense, either.

That's sort of how KS works, isn't it? Backers get updates, everyone else waits for retail.

Not that Robert will resist putting updates on the DP9 web page anyways.

 John Prins wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

OTOH, deciding to advertise your new products only to the 200 people that already have given you money for it doesn't make any sense, either.

That's sort of how KS works, isn't it? Backers get updates, everyone else waits for retail.

Not that Robert will resist putting updates on the DP9 web page anyways.

Backers get updates sent to them via email but anyone can go to the KS website and read the updates on the project page. So if DP9 sends out an update with sprue shots and I'm not a backer but I want to see it I can just go to the KS site and read the same update, it's not like it's hidden from me because I didn't back the KS. Likewise anyone can then repost the update here or elsewhere, pretty much every thread in N&R about KS projects has users reposting pics and info from the project updates.

I've seen KS where only backers could view updates. Most allow everyone to see, though.

I've never seen KS where the owner went out of his way to tell everyone only backers should be allowed questions, either.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

OTOH, deciding to advertise your new products only to the 200 people that already have given you money for it doesn't make any sense, either.

That's sort of how KS works, isn't it? Backers get updates, everyone else waits for retail.

Not that Robert will resist putting updates on the DP9 web page anyways.

Backers get updates sent to them via email but anyone can go to the KS website and read the updates on the project page. So if DP9 sends out an update with sprue shots and I'm not a backer but I want to see it I can just go to the KS site and read the same update, it's not like it's hidden from me because I didn't back the KS. Likewise anyone can then repost the update here or elsewhere, pretty much every thread in N&R about KS projects has users reposting pics and info from the project updates.

Yeah, I get that. That's not what he said, though.

I asked him to clarify what was planned to be on the sprues. He said "No, you are not a backer". Then went on to say that they would put updates on the KS first and over here never, but that was not what I asked him.

 Dream Pod 9 wrote:
Man you just can't stop trolling, its really sad.

A Big Thank You to all those on DakkaDakka forum that supported us and put up with all the BS that trolls post here.

I as the creator of the Kickstarter am not allowed to be a Backer of the project. We hope to run future successful Kickstarters and I'm not going to risk that by breaking Kickstarters rules. Dave, who is not the Creator, made a minimum $6 pledge so he could post comments if I was away from the computer and could not post them in a timely manner.

Sorry, but am I the one who took many people's money for things that I didn't deliver because I simply didn't feel like executing the contract that people paid me to?

No, I'm not. I have basic ethics, unlike you. And the fact that you pulled shenanigains before is a strong indication that you'd do it again. You're a liar and a thief, and the facts bear that out.

As for "trolling", if you hadn't lied to the previous backers, maybe there wouldn't be any issues. People bringing up your history of lies and theft is not trolling. It's the truth. If you can't handle the truth, maybe you should slink back to social media that you can control. But to come onto this forum, and act as you do, that's unacceptable.

Anyhow, you're being reported for breaking Rule 1.

Dakka doesn't need fraudsters like you here.


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YouKnowsIt wrote:
To be fair the people he is talking about did accuse him of fraud. With zero evidence.

To be fair, DP9 has already shown themselves to be careless with other people's money, and has already defrauded the backers of the Polar KS out of multiple models that they had paid for. Once a thief, always a thief.


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 Dream Pod 9 wrote:
As Canadian I'm sorry for implying that some who post on DakkaDakka are trolling and apologize for the remark.

Not accepted. You're a liar and a thief, so you're just saying it so people don't cancel payments.

They didn't break any contract, from the risks and challenges section:

"Finally there is a chance that we cannot provide a model that has been included in the kickstarter due to problems with the molding process or simply not enough interest in that figure as an add on sale. If that is the case then we will provide backers with the opportunity to use some credit to choose from the other models produced. Adjustments to model designs always have to be made to meet casting requirements but we have an excellent team in place to address and adjust to the challenges we face. On the other hand if there is an opportunity to add an additional model, or parts for customization, we will certainly be doing so! "

As someone who has backed KSs that have never and will never turn up on my door, I think you are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill here.

 Dream Pod 9 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I guess that's a "no" then.

Yes, its a "no" as you did not support the Utopia Kickstarter. We'll be making Kickstarter update posts for the Backers first, with images of the parts sprues once our 3d modeler has time to get the parts sprued in Solidworks. We don't plan on putting any of those posts here on the DakkaDakka forum.

Why not?

I only found out about your plastics recently (ironically from a post John made in another thread) on Dakka. Without a presence here, you will miss out on finding new customers and reminding old customers you exist. It seems like you are taking things personally and letting that impact the future of your business.

Also, if you are ever planning to sell your items via retailers, you might want to be more inviting to nonbackers.

Oh, my former FLGS owners already won't stock DP9 products after Rob (the owner) made a poor showing of himself at a convention.

 Mmmpi wrote:
Oh, my former FLGS owners already won't stock DP9 products after Rob (the owner) made a poor showing of himself at a convention.

Sounds like a story to be told

To story I was told was that Rob talked his ear off about how awesome and dynamic and realistic their (pre beta) system was during a demo, but never actually brought that around to playing the game. When Rob asked the guy what he thought, apparently "I don't know, you didn't actually show me" wasn't an acceptable answer. Things became less "pleasant", and now my local store won't stock DP9.

They will special order though, and his two partners have said if it becomes popular there they'll over-rule him. But I don't see it becoming that popular with how the current trial rules are looking.

I see... Well, I'm kind of surprised, Robert used to be excellent at conventions and selling you stuff in person, then terrible with the follow-up.
Most LGS in Montréal could tell you something similar, and you'll find Heavy Gear on the bargain shelves there, if you find it at all.

Could be one or both of them were having a bad day. Might not have even been Rob, and my guy was mistaken about the name.

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