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What if it was a type of demon foot soldier that was available to all factions? Sort of like furies. The idea could be is that they are fragments of souls of people killed by demons, who are reformed into mockeries of what they once were. Hence the presence of demonic firearms. Call them infernal legionaries or something. I would prefer damned legionaries but that's taken.

Basically zombieguys from Doom.

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 wuestenfux wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Drukhari

Lots of named characters: Vext, Lady, Duck, Baron, Kheradruakh, etc..
HQ's on Bikes/Wings/Skyboards
HQ's options for gear
Cheaper generic characters aka Dracon
10+ pieces of wargear that went missing (Clone fields, oldBladevanes, Old WWP's... GSC has them now and DE doesn't wtf, etc..)
Dias of Destruction

Then I also want the Archite to come back.
She had I8 while the Archon had only I7.


The Archite still exists... But goes by the name Succubus now

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Being smart enough to see where GW is going, I play all primaris Ultramarines. I'm missing heavy infantry based long range firepower. Suppressors and Eliminators are nice, but I'd love a heavy weapon troop in Gravis armor with Lascannons or something.
   
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Still missing a Plague Marine statline Chaos Lord.

Here's hoping Psychic Awakening awakens more than cookie cutter Death Guard options.
   
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 Amishprn86 wrote:
Drukhari

Lots of named characters: Vext, Lady, Duck, Baron, Kheradruakh, etc..
HQ's on Bikes/Wings/Skyboards
[...]
Cheaper generic characters aka Dracon

SO MUCH THIS, if only to make it easier to deal with the Rule of Three and force org. Currently, the RO3 is making it impossible to field two full Kabalite battalions in 2000 pts, unless you take Drazhar.

I mostly want a Dracon, in the neighborhood of 40 pts. But what would be nice too would be some sort of "super-Scourge", perhaps with a character-targeting ability. Both Craftworlds and Harlequins have sniper-type HQ's, and it seems unfair that Drukhari are the only Aeldari faction without one. Dirty/sneaky special rules are supposed to be our thing!
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Playing and building so much orks lately that I have forgotten about my other army:

Deathguard could use some heavy weapon platform that does the job of obliterators and havocs. Though to be fair, if hellbrutes and defilers weren't such a waste of points, this wouldn't be an issue.
They should also have access to greater possessed, thunder hammer lord and venom crawlers. How can you not give venom crawlers to DG?


I'd be in favor of giving the Plagueburst Crawler Grinding Advance and up its' cost by 40-50 points to turn it into a true battle/ siege tank. It just feels incredibly silly to me that'it's most efficient use seems to be to use it as a threaded Bloatdrone.

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Karol wrote:
BrianDavion 779913 10561356 wrote:except a DW vet ISN'T better. a GK strike Marine has a force weapon, and brotherhood of psykers. those are things that has to be counted for points wise. is GW perhaps wrong to make them more expensvie then a simple stormshield? maaaybe. but you can't claim strike squads are just the same as DW vets

he never gets to used the force weapon though, because he is too slow and there is not enough points for transports. brother hood of psykers means little, because after you cast sanctuary on something big, gate on something big and astral aim on a dread or land raider, you run out of psychic powers to cast. Ah and if your refering to baby smite and shorter range as being a balance to free DW ammo, then I don't think both balance each other out.
And am not claiming that the DW vet is the same as a GK, he isn't. He is better. Just like two scouts are better then one strike. Or an intercessor is better then a strike, by virtue of doctrins and stratagems alone. Plus there is a ton of flexibility to a marine or DW army. If they end up nerfed, you can always take the same models and play it as some other sm chapter. With GK you can't count as them as anything, because no army in the game has the same WYSIWYG load outs.


Strikes also have innate deep strike baked into their cost.

yes on turn two. And for each point in strikes you need something of same cost on the board. So you better have the side of the table with the good cover and a slow army as opponent, because if they swarm objectives turn one, you maybe deep striking in to your own deployment. But you are right that the cost of deep strike is build in to GK models each one of them, and you can max deep strike half the army. Which means the other half is paying for something they can never use.


Daemons with hellforged assault rifles would be really cool, and make them really sci-fi daemons as opposed to sticking out like a sore thumb.

Wouldn't it have to mean the point cost of demon infantry ends up much higher then it is now. If plague bearers got range weapons they would be rather obnoxious, they are already run in every chaos list right now.


that the force weapon is seldom used is irrelvant, it still needs to be paid for. GKs are hit ahrd by the "jack of all trades" problem I agree. but arguing they should be cheaper then DW Vets is absolutely wrong.

what the GKs need is.... actually they ened a new codex and a ground up re-examining to give them more synergy.

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Some way to get my berserkers into combat that isn't a rhino. See some kind of warptime effect on an apostle. Advance and charge built in. Something.

Also, I also want snipers for chaos as well.
   
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 chimeara wrote:
Some way to get my berserkers into combat that isn't a rhino. See some kind of warptime effect on an apostle. Advance and charge built in. Something.

Also, I also want snipers for chaos as well.


There's lots of ways! You just listed 3 .

#1 - Alpha Legion Rhino, pop smokes, enjoy your -2 to being hit. If it's a Nurgle Rhino you can even get Miasma of Pestilence on it for -3 to being hit.
#2 - Okay, you don't want a Rhino. Can I interest you in an allied detachment with a Black Legion Sorcerer? Make the Khorne Berzerkers one of the Legions that can Advance + Charge, Warp-Time them, and that should be a solid 19" move before charges.
#3 - Ah, I see, you're World Eater Pure. Well then sir, you want our Dreadclaw special from Forge World. It's like a Drop Pod that flies. Put the Berzerkers in there with an Icon of Khorne, come out, and reroll that charge distance!
#4 - Still not happy? I'm sorry sir, but your Berzerkers will have to run across the board the board like madmen the way Angron intended.

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I've tried dreadclaw. It's mediocre at best. I personally like it but it's just doesn't seem to cut it in competitive play.

Yeah, I prefer playing pure Khorne.
   
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How do you get -2 on an Alpha Legion Rhino without Psykery?

They don't get Legion Traits.

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So.... I've been talking to my Dark kin.. aka other Drukhari players.

And we have come to find out DE has gotten 0 new entry units since 2011 (and that was FW, 2010 for non-FW, it was the Tantalus)

Looking at all other armies, every army has gotten a new datasheet/unit entry of some kind, it being a gakky GK character, new bikers, new troops, etc.. all other armies has gotten at least 1 thing and all but 1 (GK's) has gotten 3+ some getting 9+ others getting more (SM but thats normal).
Harlequins technically didnt get anything new, but htey got a full plastic range with their own codex and a complete rewrite of rules to make them playable.

So i'm kinda upset now that DE has only had things taken away (12 HQ options, 12 wargear options, 2 elite units, 1 heavy vehicle, 1 game changing mechanic that GSC's now have, rules changes that completely change how units are played, and more) and yet we only got a couple plastic upgrades, 2 which were needed (Wracks and Bomber, wracks literally well apart, literally the worst finecast unit in the game), and 1 no one wanted and most dont like (Archon new plastic).

Yep, i'm very salty now.

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 JNAProductions wrote:
How do you get -2 on an Alpha Legion Rhino without Psykery?

They don't get Legion Traits.


I'm trying to find it, but I swear I saw something on Warhammer Community when the Space Marine codex was coming out that they said all the vehicles were now going to get Chapter Traits, and they pointed out that the same would apply to Chaos...

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 Yarium wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
How do you get -2 on an Alpha Legion Rhino without Psykery?

They don't get Legion Traits.


I'm trying to find it, but I swear I saw something on Warhammer Community when the Space Marine codex was coming out that they said all the vehicles were now going to get Chapter Traits, and they pointed out that the same would apply to Chaos...
Unless there's an FAQ or Errata I missed, Chaos is stuck on just Infantry, Bikes, Helbrutes, and Characters.

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that the force weapon is seldom used is irrelvant, it still needs to be paid for. GKs are hit ahrd by the "jack of all trades" problem I agree. but arguing they should be cheaper then DW Vets is absolutely wrong.

The special ammo alone is mind breaking good, comparing to what GK have, we get it as a one per unit 2CP stratagem. DW get it on all thier dudes. There is no way a short range smite, and melee weapons that are hard to use, balance out, special ammo and a storm shield you get to use every time. Either the DW cost too little(I don't think so) or GK strikes cost really too much. And this is before going in to utility stuff like DW not needing to go full stormshields, being able to add a +2sv termintor to tank some ap0 shots, even their stratagems are better, if situational. And by the way am not claiming that DW are somehow some uber destroyers of the meta, that reap and tear everything they face. People said that strikes deep strike for free, and that this is somehow a bonus over DW who have to pay 1 CP to do so. Well if I use blessed ammo one time, I have just paid as much a DW player need to pay to deep strike two units.

Jack of old traits is stuff like intercessors buffs in the new books, can take a sword or hammer or a fist on a sgt. can make it +1D, but you don't have to. short range units can get auto bolters, rest normal bolters, and if you don't have eliminators or really hate some characters in your meta, you can even take the sniper ones. Those are jack of trade units. fit to do everything. Puting a melee weapon on something that doesn't even want to be in melee, should not cost points.
   
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 Yarium wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
How do you get -2 on an Alpha Legion Rhino without Psykery?

They don't get Legion Traits.


I'm trying to find it, but I swear I saw something on Warhammer Community when the Space Marine codex was coming out that they said all the vehicles were now going to get Chapter Traits, and they pointed out that the same would apply to Chaos...


The only thing applied to chaos is the extra attack all the marines got.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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Yea, nothing that comes close to match to codex marines.
Chaos can't have nice things.

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
 Yarium wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
How do you get -2 on an Alpha Legion Rhino without Psykery?

They don't get Legion Traits.


I'm trying to find it, but I swear I saw something on Warhammer Community when the Space Marine codex was coming out that they said all the vehicles were now going to get Chapter Traits, and they pointed out that the same would apply to Chaos...



The only thing applied to chaos is the extra attack all the marines got.



Correct, if chapter tactics would have applied a lot less nacl would be produced by us Chaos players.

Alas it isn't the first time we are stuck with what amounts to a last edition dex

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 BoomWolf wrote:
Yea, nothing that comes close to match to codex marines.
Chaos can't have nice things.


Yes, we totally didn't get the Discolord, Syll'Eske and Contorted Epitome. Nor the Heretical 17. Nor the Reaper Chaincannon. Nor some excellent renegade chapter and Black Legion rules and strats. Although I admit that the other "first founding" legions were left a bit wanting compared to renegades and BL.

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Dude, "chaos can't have nice things" is a meme for the fact for everything chaos gets, loyalists get far, FAR more.

And you can't even begin to argue they dont, seeing how these day a word bearer does not even match a loyalist marine WITHOUT chapter tactics.

Loyalist chapter tactics are far superior (and effect tanks too, ours do not), they get additional bonuses for being pure marines with the doctrines-and we got nothing that matches it, they get more abilities for lower points per model.

Chaos CANT have nice things.every time we do, loyalists just something that curb-stomps us right afterwards.

can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. 
   
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Right behind you.

Cool, trade you Raven Guard Chapter Tactics for Alpha Legion.
   
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Space Wolves.
...a decent naming system.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Cool, trade you Raven Guard Chapter Tactics for Alpha Legion.

You should carry ice for your victims.

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Right behind you.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Space Wolves.
...a decent naming system.

Poor Space Wolves...they suffer from the same issue as Space Marines, period.

The names are too descriptive in some cases.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Cool, trade you Raven Guard Chapter Tactics for Alpha Legion.

You should carry ice for your victims.

I should add that I'm personally a fan of the change. It's just going to be a long wait for everyone else to be brought into line, and until then...it's technically a nerf.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Cool, trade you Raven Guard Chapter Tactics for Alpha Legion.


you might be singing a differant tune in a week or so.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
Chaos can't have nice things.

Your penance for the 3.5 'dex is... incomplete.

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For Guard...

Landspeeder Storm, or some other form of fast, flying light transport. I know we have Valkyries and Avruses, but Valkyries are expensive and... whoever uses the Avrus, really?
Specialized Veterans, they had the option to take carapace armor or camo cloaks in the past, but it was taken away from them. If they could take Lascarbines (Assault 2 18" lasgun, FRFSRF gives +1 shot), I would love GW even more.
Tons of named characters
Medium / Cavalry tank. Something like Carnodon, but with non-FW rules and model. We already have a heavy / infantry tank, the ubiquitous Leman Russ.
Horseback cavalry + epic horseback commissar figure.
Penal Legion

That would be all, I guess.


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 Dysartes wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
Chaos can't have nice things.

Your penance for the 3.5 'dex is... incomplete.


See I don't get it when people say this. Is it like a real thing? Because from what I understand, eldar had OP rules in almost every edition they had rules, they get no penance. yet chaos somehow should be punished for a 3ed codex, there are probably people who weren't born when the codex was out, that want to play chaos now.
   
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Karol wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
Chaos can't have nice things.

Your penance for the 3.5 'dex is... incomplete.


See I don't get it when people say this. Is it like a real thing? Because from what I understand, eldar had OP rules in almost every edition they had rules, they get no penance. yet chaos somehow should be punished for a 3ed codex, there are probably people who weren't born when the codex was out, that want to play chaos now.


I don't think it is, but there's always an element of people who can't let go of ancient history. weather it's a codex that came out 20 years ago, or a narrative event that benifited one faction that occured when most of the current player base was still in diapers.

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I think it was a joke.

   
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Karol wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
Chaos can't have nice things.

Your penance for the 3.5 'dex is... incomplete.


See I don't get it when people say this. Is it like a real thing? Because from what I understand, eldar had OP rules in almost every edition they had rules, they get no penance. yet chaos somehow should be punished for a 3ed codex, there are probably people who weren't born when the codex was out, that want to play chaos now.


The 3.5 ed dex is somewhat infamous.
Basically it was broken, rulewise, to the point of no return.
Otoh it fleshed out the legions and chaos as a whole propperly.

Afterwards came the bland 4.0 ed dex for Chaos which literally remained for 2-3 editions and was, terrible for all non bl / warband csm Players.


And yes it was a joke.

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