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we sure the bikes aren't the old marine bikes? GW often does promo pics of old and new marines together after all

Its possible, buuut the upper front does look IMO to be a different style and the rider seems to be sat further back.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Its possible, buuut the upper front does look IMO to be a different style and the rider seems to be sat further back.

yeah it['s hard to tell, way I see it, depending on how this works out we've two possiabilities.

the first is that only the speeder is new, which suggests it'll be part of a wave of new aircraft for a varity of factions (including the admech flier)
IF the bikes are indeed primaris Bikes then we'll need to re-examine some assumptions. currently we've been assuming primaris waves based around armor type. if this turns out to be the case we're going to likely instead see the primaris waves based around company types. (so the first wave was the battle line companies, wave 2 was the scout company, this wave would be the fast attack company, with another wave for heavy support and elite companies) Personally I'm kinda hoping these are primaris bikes. an all primaris force is difficult to do if you want a fast attack option that isn't on a fething flight stand

Darsath wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
But why bother coming into this particular thread then?

If you hate ice cream do you go to...the ice cream shop?

And the complain about...the ice cream?

Still, hopefully school starts up again soon the world round.

This is the thread to give initial reactions to the announcement. It sounds like you have an issue with hearing people with opinions you don't like.

Indeed. What does gushing over a new release actually accomplish? This little game can be played either way

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Oh boy, Space Marines were definitely starved for releases.

Even by GW's standards, they really pushing the Primaris line out of the door quick? I'd have expected them to try and drip feed a bit more, because at this rate they'll be introducing a new scale line of Ultdominris Primarx Marines in a few years.

It's best to think of it as an entirely new army. It really is. You can just play with your old one until they declare you can't at this point. Primaris marines lack a lot of things actually. No flyer, no dedicated tank, only 1 super heavy. If you think about it that way. There really is no reason to complain.

... What? You still have space Marine access to FW and so on! *Looks at Tyranids LOW choices*
Bright side once GW declare no more old marines, just... Proxy them as the new ones instead

 Alpharius wrote:
Stranger things have happened, I guess.

They should actually hope for a *faster* release for all the Primaris stuff - once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!

Come now. That's what they said about minimarines. "All we need is that plastic thunderfire cannon and then we'll be done and GW can move on to all those neglected lines!" We all see how that turned out.

the_scotsman wrote:
What niche here isn't being filled by marine planes that a plane with literally no visible primaris marines at all that GW just says "This is Primaris Marine branded" could possibly fill?

I guarantee you that when they finally get around to obsoleting the space marine flyers releasing new primaris flyers the cockpits will all be carefully designed to display the kneepads of the pilots.

Might help or might not help.. I quickly blurred a picture of the current bikes to match the blur of the image seen on B&C .. still impossible to be sure, but the proportions seem to be different (but it could also be lighting, angle and paintjob that make them seem different).

More Primaris? Well, at least it's not Stormcast

I don't mind honestly, I'm pretty sure it's legit. Those bikes are on huge bases.
Now where are the god damn assault units

 rocksville wrote:
Might help or might not help.. I quickly blurred a picture of the current bikes to match the blur of the image seen on B&C .. still impossible to be sure, but the proportions seem to be different (but it could also be lighting, angle and paintjob that make them seem different).

The Exhaust especially looks a lot more pronounced on the "leaked" bikes. The substantially larger Bases are also a giveaway. The front Fenders clearly have a completely different shape with that rounded part. These are new bikes. 100%

Morkphoiz wrote:

 rocksville wrote:
Might help or might not help.. I quickly blurred a picture of the current bikes to match the blur of the image seen on B&C .. still impossible to be sure, but the proportions seem to be different (but it could also be lighting, angle and paintjob that make them seem different).

The Exhaust especially looks a lot more pronounced on the "leaked" bikes. The substantially larger Bases are also a giveaway. The front Fenders clearly have a completely different shape with that rounded part. These are new bikes. 100%

I might be mistaken, but to me it looks as if there are two Marines on the new bikes.

 Seneca wrote:

Morkphoiz wrote:

 rocksville wrote:
Might help or might not help.. I quickly blurred a picture of the current bikes to match the blur of the image seen on B&C .. still impossible to be sure, but the proportions seem to be different (but it could also be lighting, angle and paintjob that make them seem different).


The Exhaust especially looks a lot more pronounced on the "leaked" bikes. The substantially larger Bases are also a giveaway. The front Fenders clearly have a completely different shape with that rounded part. These are new bikes. 100%

I might be mistaken, but to me it looks as if there are two Marines on the new bikes.

nah a quick sketch over on photoshop makes them appear to have a slightly more dirt bike look, front wheel is further forward than the main body, thefront appears more rounded in general and the back exhausts seem chunkier. I also coudlnt make out full on zooming in if the armoured sections lights are asymetrically placed or if its on an angle.

 Seneca wrote:


I might be mistaken, but to me it looks as if there are two Marines on the new bikes.

A few peopel have said that. I think it would look pretty stupid, like a couple of chums taking a nice ride on a tandem. I wouldn't put it past the design team though. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put both a severed head and a hunting hawk in the hand of that WS Primaris captain may indeed also think that tandem assault bikers looks pretty frikkin cool.

JWBS wrote:

 Seneca wrote:


I might be mistaken, but to me it looks as if there are two Marines on the new bikes.

A few peopel have said that. I think it would look pretty stupid, like a couple of chums taking a nice ride on a tandem. I wouldn't put it past the design team though. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put both a severed head and a hunting hawk in the hand of that WS Primaris captain may indeed also think that tandem assault bikers looks pretty frikkin cool.

Yeah, combat pillion riders always look rubbish... oh wait, no they dont

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1266085634/overrunners-28mm-heroic-sci-fi-resin-figures-and-v?ref=android_project_share

 Alpharius wrote:
But why bother coming into this particular thread then?

If you hate ice cream do you go to...the ice cream shop?

And the complain about...the ice cream?

Still, hopefully school starts up again soon the world round.

Those damn kids, having opinions I don't like! Not me, I'm a mature boy, who only agrees with everything Daddy GW does. My only opinion being in defence of GW makes me intelligent! Aren't I a good boy?

Sorry, but there's more people been complaining about Da Complainer Boogeyman in this thread than have actually been (rightfully) complaining about yet more Marines. Hell, a good chunk of the replies to this 'leak' have been people pre-emptively complaining about people who dislike it.

Your analogy's a poor one anyway. If Games Workshop was called 'The Space Marine Workshop' and literally sold nothing but Space Marines, you'd have a point. You don't see anybody complaining when more Space Marines being added to 30k now, do you? (Other than people asking for 40k rules) It's more like if an ice cream parlour sold 50 flavours of vanilla, with multiple variations WITHIN some of those flavours, and had maybe 10 other, non-vanilla flavours. So when somebody makes a comment on how all these constant retreads of vanilla are getting a bit samey and what about variations on strawberry/chocolate/mint. a customers starts complaining that you shouldn't complain about having so much vanilla ice cream.

I think everybody who's not a total newbie accepts that Marines will always, forever receive more releases. That's to be expected and most have consigned themselves to it. It's that after years of gripes about this being such a prevalent thing, they seem to be doubling down on it even more, which is why it's so immensely frustrating to people who don't main loyalist Marines.

Something I find very curious is the “Land Speeder” is painted up to be possibly a Blood Angel (Red with yellow helmet) while the “Bikes” are Ultramarine. As far as I was aware, the next few logical story beats won’t involve these chapters. I wonder if this is leaked from something coming after the next few Psychic Awakening chapters?

 Arbitrator wrote:


Your analogy's a poor one anyway. If Games Workshop was called 'The Space Marine Workshop' and literally sold nothing but Space Marines, you'd have a point. You don't see anybody complaining when more Space Marines being added to 30k now, do you? (Other than people asking for 40k rules) It's more like if an ice cream parlour sold 50 flavours of vanilla, with multiple variations WITHIN some of those flavours, and had maybe 10 other, non-vanilla flavours. So when somebody makes a comment on how all these constant retreads of vanilla are getting a bit samey and what about variations on strawberry/chocolate/mint. a customers starts complaining that you shouldn't complain about having so much vanilla ice cream.

I do love it when someone takes an analogy - a basic, casual illustrative tool - and complains that the analogy isn't precise enough, then proceeds to make a stricter, more complex, and in their opinion, better analogy. The best people do this
Your analogy is absolute nonsense btw. Almost lunatic. Imoofc.

You know what would be hilarious?

If GW had, cadded up, a brand new oldmarine bike set ready to go from the last wave of marines in late 5th, and they decided to release them alongside the new primaris landspeeder, just to mess with everybody.

I know they would just change the CAD to make them primaris marines, which is tbh probably what's been done here, but it's a funny thought.

I will gladly sit and wait out any primaris release that is a direct 1 for 1 replacement of some other neglected unit from the oldmarine arsenal that my friends can just proxy as the new primaris sculpt. You won't hear a peep of complaint from me for any release like that. I do wish they'd hurry up and pull the band-aid off, though. If I were in charge of the primaris roll-out, here's what I'd do:

1) Release a new Primaris wave with Assault Aggressors, a full Suppressor kit with more gun options, Assault Inceptors, the new bikers, the new land speeder, and a new Siege repulsor variant.

2) Declare that Primaris can use all the flyers, drop pods, Land Raiders, declare 'em all Primaris-inclusive.

3) release a guideline of what oldmarine sculpts "count as" what primaris sculpts for official GW events.

Scouts with Sniper Rifles = Eliminators with Sniper Rifles
Tactical Marines with Boltguns = Intercessors with Bolt Rifles
Tactical Terminators = Bolt Aggressors
Assault Terminators = Assault Aggressors
Vindicator = Siege Repulsor


Move the oldmarine rules to legends, and give most of the minis in peoples' collections a route to become Primarisized.

Maybe release a "Primaris Veterans" sprue with a new unit profile that includes a primaris sized lascannon, missile launcher, heavy boltgun, meltagun, plasma gun, and Flamer so older space marine squad loadouts can now have a place in the direct conversion.

Forcing their consumers to undergo this brutal planned obsolescence cycle is alienating enough of their whale consumers that they needed to drive sales with a huge competitive rules boost. Fully half of the people where I play who were huge, constant consumers have declared themselves "never Primaris" and have ceased buying in and sometimes ceased playing at all, going from our most active players to our least or gone entirely.

 Flinty wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Seneca wrote:


I might be mistaken, but to me it looks as if there are two Marines on the new bikes.

A few peopel have said that. I think it would look pretty stupid, like a couple of chums taking a nice ride on a tandem. I wouldn't put it past the design team though. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put both a severed head and a hunting hawk in the hand of that WS Primaris captain may indeed also think that tandem assault bikers looks pretty frikkin cool.

Yeah, combat pillion riders always look rubbish... oh wait, no they dont

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1266085634/overrunners-28mm-heroic-sci-fi-resin-figures-and-v?ref=android_project_share

One might dispute that that looks cool.

In the case of Marines it's probably more about deviation from a long established aesthetic. You want two Marines on a bike, add a sidecar. GW's persistent deviation from established Marine aesthetic with Primaris is one of the bigger complaints about them, after all.

That said, given all GW has done so far Primaris are so tacticool that bike design would look right at home with them. But as sketched further up, that doesn't seem to be the case and we'll only get a single rider.

diepotato47 wrote:
Something I find very curious is the “Land Speeder” is painted up to be possibly a Blood Angel (Red with yellow helmet) while the “Bikes” are Ultramarine. As far as I was aware, the next few logical story beats won’t involve these chapters. I wonder if this is leaked from something coming after the next few Psychic Awakening chapters?

Yeah, a new Psychic Awakening entry like that wouldn't hit until April (not that that's a long wait) but there's always the possibility that one of the next three volumes features rules for those other forces but has a narrative in which a combined Marine force swoops in in the end to save the day.

Adding on, possibly related, the Rumour Engine just posted up a sword scabbard with a chalice icon, not unlike a Blood Angel one. Maybe this next wave will have some Blood Angel exclusive gear?

the_scotsman wrote:
I will gladly sit and wait out any primaris release that is a direct 1 for 1 replacement of some other neglected unit from the oldmarine arsenal that my friends can just proxy as the new primaris sculpt. You won't hear a peep of complaint from me for any release like that. I do wish they'd hurry up and pull the band-aid off, though. If I were in charge of the primaris roll-out, here's what I'd do:

1) Release a new Primaris wave with Assault Aggressors, a full Suppressor kit with more gun options, Assault Inceptors, the new bikers, the new land speeder, and a new Siege repulsor variant.

2) Declare that Primaris can use all the flyers, drop pods, Land Raiders, declare 'em all Primaris-inclusive.

3) release a guideline of what oldmarine sculpts "count as" what primaris sculpts for official GW events.

Scouts with Sniper Rifles = Eliminators with Sniper Rifles
Tactical Marines with Boltguns = Intercessors with Bolt Rifles
Tactical Terminators = Bolt Aggressors
Assault Terminators = Assault Aggressors
Vindicator = Siege Repulsor


Move the oldmarine rules to legends, and give most of the minis in peoples' collections a route to become Primarisized.

Maybe release a "Primaris Veterans" sprue with a new unit profile that includes a primaris sized lascannon, missile launcher, heavy boltgun, meltagun, plasma gun, and Flamer so older space marine squad loadouts can now have a place in the direct conversion.

Why would they ever do this? The whole reason they made primaris marines in the first place is that they figured they already sold everyone more tactical marines than they could ever need. Primaris marines are a way of rendering everyone's existing collection of tactical marines worthless. This of course accomplishes 2 things: 1) forces everyone to repurchase their space marine army to remain current, and 2) destroys the secondary market for tactical marines.

This is why there will always be separate (worse) rules for tactical marines in the codex and eventually in Legends. As long as tactical marines have their own rules you have to use them, you can't counts as primaris and still be WYSIWYG. Thereby the forced obsolescence is maintained.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I will gladly sit and wait out any primaris release that is a direct 1 for 1 replacement of some other neglected unit from the oldmarine arsenal that my friends can just proxy as the new primaris sculpt. You won't hear a peep of complaint from me for any release like that. I do wish they'd hurry up and pull the band-aid off, though. If I were in charge of the primaris roll-out, here's what I'd do:

1) Release a new Primaris wave with Assault Aggressors, a full Suppressor kit with more gun options, Assault Inceptors, the new bikers, the new land speeder, and a new Siege repulsor variant.

2) Declare that Primaris can use all the flyers, drop pods, Land Raiders, declare 'em all Primaris-inclusive.

3) release a guideline of what oldmarine sculpts "count as" what primaris sculpts for official GW events.

Scouts with Sniper Rifles = Eliminators with Sniper Rifles
Tactical Marines with Boltguns = Intercessors with Bolt Rifles
Tactical Terminators = Bolt Aggressors
Assault Terminators = Assault Aggressors
Vindicator = Siege Repulsor


Move the oldmarine rules to legends, and give most of the minis in peoples' collections a route to become Primarisized.

Maybe release a "Primaris Veterans" sprue with a new unit profile that includes a primaris sized lascannon, missile launcher, heavy boltgun, meltagun, plasma gun, and Flamer so older space marine squad loadouts can now have a place in the direct conversion.

Why would they ever do this? The whole reason they made primaris marines in the first place is that they figured they already sold everyone more tactical marines than they could ever need. Primaris marines are a way of rendering everyone's existing collection of tactical marines worthless. This of course accomplishes 2 things: 1) forces everyone to repurchase their space marine army to remain current, and 2) destroys the secondary market for tactical marines.

This is why there will always be separate (worse) rules for tactical marines in the codex and eventually in Legends. As long as tactical marines have their own rules you have to use them, you can't counts as primaris and still be WYSIWYG. Thereby the forced obsolescence is maintained.

multiple people at the place I play have already done that, because they like the primaris rules but prefer the other armor mark marines and had already started HH collections.

Nobody has a problem with it. It's consistent, they're all armed with boltguns, it is literally exactly as confusing as my metal wraithguard or someone else's metal terminators.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was someone trolling the already frustrated community. The giant over pixelation is hilarious. It reads to me as intentional and it would be so easy to hide a bad Photoshop attempt. Someone could have taken pieces of images from repulsers and the old speeder and slapped them together then blurred them.

Could of course be accurate, but it could also be the current years version of pancake 40k.

To me the pixelation being this bad points to the fact that the image is a thumbnail picture that someone managed to grab online due to a GW screwup (assuming it is indeed legit and also not an intentional leak)

There should be some reveals this Saturday at the New Year Open Day. If it's legit (which it really looks like it is), this is when we will officially see it, IMHO.

Even if those blurry Bikes are the old ones, there's no denying that they are on larger oval bases at least. IMO, that lends credence to them NOT being the older bikes.
GW may repackage some models on new bases, but it just doesn't seem to have a point in the case of the old bike when you could just make Primaris bikes

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Primaris drop pods please.

Could be that GW will release a BA supplemental to the Space Marine Codex. They could then include BA specific units within that supplement. It would also unify BA with the existing space marine codex.

JWBS wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:


Your analogy's a poor one anyway. If Games Workshop was called 'The Space Marine Workshop' and literally sold nothing but Space Marines, you'd have a point. You don't see anybody complaining when more Space Marines being added to 30k now, do you? (Other than people asking for 40k rules) It's more like if an ice cream parlour sold 50 flavours of vanilla, with multiple variations WITHIN some of those flavours, and had maybe 10 other, non-vanilla flavours. So when somebody makes a comment on how all these constant retreads of vanilla are getting a bit samey and what about variations on strawberry/chocolate/mint. a customers starts complaining that you shouldn't complain about having so much vanilla ice cream.

I do love it when someone takes an analogy - a basic, casual illustrative tool - and complains that the analogy isn't precise enough, then proceeds to make a stricter, more complex, and in their opinion, better analogy. The best people do this
Your analogy is absolute nonsense btw. Almost lunatic. Imoofc.

I rather like it... but I'm mostly a.fantasy guy, and don't have a dog in this fight.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Primaris drop pods please.

Yes, agreed. Or just let them use the old pods, that works too. It is really not a model that requires an upgrade.

 Crimson wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Primaris drop pods please.

Yes, agreed. Or just let them use the old pods, that works too. It is really not a model that requires an upgrade.

Drop pod deep strike doesn't really need a model really. Just let the models be deployed via deepstriking.