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tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
You can make a whole astra militarum kill team with only 5 miniature? I expect them to require much more miniatures to work.

You could add the bald guy with glasses and cigar from 2nd edition, the snipers and the medic from the command squad.

Yeah so this minis is going to be really hard to get.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah so this minis is going to be really hard to get.

Should have know there was an annoying catch somewhere, I'd almost forgotten who we were dealing with here!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

With a closed down factory no, they cant. This is probably what they had laying around for an event.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Well, with those 5 he mentioned, run as what they are, they could easily handle most killteams.

You can play them as such in kill team? I know you can play Marbo, but I can't find point costs for anything but the only other I'm seeing point cost for in Kill Team Annual 2019 is Company commander with a fist, and Platoon commander with a bolter. And I don't have Kill Team: Commander (or whatever it is called) but I thought you could have only one commander in a kill team!

(I'm pretty sad we got lockdown before we could play our first game of Kill Team at work with the colleagues )

Quick reminder of the traditional Catachan handshake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE

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 Kirasu wrote:
Which black sergeant is he supposed to be?! The one from Predator or the one from Aliens? Or the one from Halo? So many identical black sergeants to rip off !! (which all were basically rip offs of the other, lol)

He's obviously a blend of all black sergeants, for maximum badassery.

Carl Weathers was a CIA pencil-pusher, not a sergeant. A sergeant wouldn't have given away our position one more time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

They literally can’t

This man got a point!!!

1. That is one hell of an awesome model. I absolutely adore the design as someone who grew up with Halo and Aliens, the resemblance to Apone/Johnson is epic!!

2. I think it is extremely cool of them to give this to the stores to sell for 100% profit to the FLGS. Keep up the good work GW!

3. I think it is also sad that this is likely a one time thing and not a lead in to a fully fledged new sculpted Catachan army for Guard. Something that as long as they kept it away from the silly gravity tech of space marines, I would throw trucks worth of cash at. I mean just update the range, maybe re-proportion the Leman Russ so that it doesn't look so much like a tonka truck. No GRAVITY floaters. Treads!


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

They literally can’t

Why? What's to stop them from buying molds and putting it into production, you're high dude if you think that this is literally un-re-producible.

Their production is shuttered for the time being. That's why.

If this is anything like the 500th store Lt/Nighthaunt? There's going to be a month or two until they would have actually produced+fulfilled all the orders they had done at the time.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Their production is shuttered for the time being. That's why.

If this is anything like the 500th store Lt/Nighthaunt? There's going to be a month or two until they would have actually produced+fulfilled all the orders they had done at the time.

I don't mind waiting, I just really really want them to give this level of quality treatment to the guard and revamp the whole line.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

They literally can’t

Remember Sly Marbo? Just make a followup announcement stating the initial run will be limited but will get a wider release down the line, even if it ends up being 2021's Warhammer Day model. Most people would be happier waiting a year than not getting it at all. LFGS will still get their 'free' model in advance - which will no doubt sell out instantly anyway - GW gets to keep it's good PR and doesn't burn it all away by making it impossible to get again.

I hope whoever sculpted this gets a raise! I feel like some GW stuff lately has been a bit hit-and-miss, but look at this beautiful burly boy! He's gorgeous! And no silly mid-flight ULTRA-DYNAMIC POSING, no smoke, ooh he's just a treat! More of this, please GW!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

Maybe in future they can and will. But a) this is marked as limited edition model. Those are never cast in huge niumbers b) GW factories are atm SHUT DOWN! Read that again. SHUT DOWN. Do you know what that means? No production! You know why? CORONA! And because of UK RESTRICTIONS. Are you telling GW should restart factories ignoring goverments restrictions just to cast more plastic sprues?

Lol what a joke idea. Ignore what goverment tells you to do just to cast more plastic sprues.

Are you real?


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 Togusa wrote:

Why? What's to stop them from buying molds and putting it into production, you're high dude if you think that this is literally un-re-producible.

Ah yes. Let's go against what goverment says. Yeah. Real good idea. REALLY good idea.

In case you haven't noticed GW is going beyond what goverment is saying for safety of people. But seems for you plastic sprues are more valuable than real human lives. Let people die as long as plastic sprues flow. Priorities eh?

It's not a question of GW can do nothing or they can reopen their factory just so we can get Catachan Carl Weathers.

There are middle grounds of course.

GW could, and hopefully will, communicate to stores they're getting a first batch free and can accept preorders for a second batch to ship [in the promised age of normalcy] at regular wholesale rates.

Early adapters and collectors can then fight in the arena to have them in May and they rest of us can wait for the promised age to get them at the only slightly insane price of $35/model.

Ah it’s a nice mini and would love one, don’t stand an ice cubes chance in hell in getting one down here in deepest darkest Somerset.
Still on the bright side it saves me some cash I guess. Although most of my funds now go to Warlord games so imagine they will get what I would have spent with GW in the end.


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Ah it’s a nice mini and would love one, don’t stand an ice cubes chance in hell in getting one down here in deepest darkest Somerset.
Still on the bright side it saves me some cash I guess. Although most of my funds now go to Warlord games so imagine they will get what I would have spent with GW in the end.

Both local FLGS confirmed they are getting , respectively , 1 and 4.

Which doesn’t even cover part of a day’s losses.

eBay is going to make morebon these than most FLGS.

GW had the right idea but needs to rethink this. One of the owners already said that he’s now in an awkward position of having multiple regulars all wanting the same thing , can’t please all of them so most are going to be disappointed. Any business owner will tell you that is a bad thing.

I’m not suggesting that GW reopens to make this , just rethink what the purpose of this is. You want to actually help indies ? Made to order this fir a week and give it a low trade price so they make more, just cover GW’s actual costs. One FLGS has thirty of us interested , so let’s say it retails £22.50. GW staff can buy a £22.50 model for £11.25. Let’s say it cost GW that (it won’t ) - that’s potentially £360 could be made and £720 put into the cash flow of the business assuming GW doesn’t want immediate payment from retailers. Even if the FLGS only has that money for a week , it could be enough to carry them through to limited reopening for sales or a decent delivery coming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

Exactly. Why on earth does GW insist on producing a mold for a plastic model - expensive but designed to recoup its cost over thousands and thousands of uses. Then making them a limited run? They seem to be doing this regularly now. Why? Do fomo sales really outweigh long term sales?

This is likely to be another Store Opening model in future, the buddy for Ripper Jackson.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

Exactly. Why on earth does GW insist on producing a mold for a plastic model - expensive but designed to recoup its cost over thousands and thousands of uses. Then making them a limited run? They seem to be doing this regularly now. Why? Do fomo sales really outweigh long term sales?

I think that they can make molds out of aluminium. Which is a lot cheaper to make but does not last as long. That maybe though resin models I'm thinking of.

This is exactly what they do for limited runs, just make an aluminium prototype mold for a couple of hundred models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah so this minis is going to be really hard to get.

In other words:

I won't get Carl Weathers & the Catachan girl because they are limited. Typical GW consumer friendliness.


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 Ashes and Temples wrote:
Quick reminder of the traditional Catachan handshake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE

LOL!

tneva82 wrote:
Lol what a joke idea. Ignore what goverment tells you to do just to cast more plastic sprues.

Are you real?

Now you're just putting words into my mouth and spouting random bull gak.

That Dillon inspired model is on point

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Limited edition models are rarely cast in advance and these were cast and done before corona became even close to issue. So even if GW wanted to give more to stores they literally would have none. They were likely intended for some event exclusive/Whatever and stock was what they had available.

You're acting like they can't make more...

Maybe in future they can and will. But a) this is marked as limited edition model. Those are never cast in huge niumbers b) GW factories are atm SHUT DOWN! Read that again. SHUT DOWN. Do you know what that means? No production! You know why? CORONA! And because of UK RESTRICTIONS. Are you telling GW should restart factories ignoring goverments restrictions just to cast more plastic sprues?

Lol what a joke idea. Ignore what goverment tells you to do just to cast more plastic sprues.

Are you real?


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 Togusa wrote:

Why? What's to stop them from buying molds and putting it into production, you're high dude if you think that this is literally un-re-producible.

Ah yes. Let's go against what goverment says. Yeah. Real good idea. REALLY good idea.

In case you haven't noticed GW is going beyond what goverment is saying for safety of people. But seems for you plastic sprues are more valuable than real human lives. Let people die as long as plastic sprues flow. Priorities eh?

What are you on about? I never suggested they immediately begin to make this model. Don't put words in my mouth.

 Rolsheen wrote:
This is exactly what they do for limited runs, just make an aluminium prototype mold for a couple of hundred models.

Is it?

Terminator Chaplain and Captain have been in service for years now.

The others?

You’re having an in-store event. Something you’re pushing. Bods in shop not only = cash in till, but also increased chance of repeat custom. The more people revisit your store, even if it’s just for a couple of paint pots once a week say? All cash in the till.

The Event Exclusive Models? The ones you can only get on that day? Let’s ask Slightly Upset Simeon what he thinks they are!



A nice, shiny plump worm of a lure to get people through the door on that day. The sculpt/mould itself needn’t ever pay itself off in full. Because that’s not what these particular trinkets are meant to do.

Keep in mind when I’m off Looting, I’m often ordering 40 or more of a given model, per Loot opportunity. Last year I did five or six (it gets a bit hazy as collection from Worthing was.....complicated). So however many they’re producing? It’s a damn sight more than a few hundred.



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This time around?

Well, it is disappointed. As a concept it’s fantastic. A way to provide FLGS, who buy a lot from GW, and do even more for the wider Hobby, a shot in the arm when they reopen.

Bravo. Seriously. That is an awesome gesture.

But....two, maybe three (I’ve seen this cited by various reliable FLGS sources, here and in my FB Group) per store? That’s.....kinda a double edged sword.

See, normally such exclusives are Made To Order. When I’m about my nefarious business, I’ll order Week 1, collect Week 2. That means nobody attending missed out. And it reduces the local potential for scalping.

Here? Sadly it’s just going to encourage Scalping. Mr Neckbeard will do whatever he can to get hold of his local store’s ones, and then? Straight on eBay at a stupid markup.

And it doesn’t have to be this way. At all. GW could, and frankly should*, loosen up on this. Make say, the first 10 or 15 Gratis for the FLGS. Drop in the ocean to GW, but assuming** a £20 equivalent price tag? That’s £200-£300 for the FLGS to keep. Bit of the old cash flow.

The others ordered? Standard retail terms (I don’t actually know what those are, but I’ve seen 60% bandied around regularly), and the FLGS can order as many as they’ve orders for - or maybe some extras for stock/prizes/whatever.

But hey. GW are listening these days. And we’ve seen some impressive turn arounds of late, often mere days after an initial announcement went up, then down like a lead balloon. I’ll be encouraging the Loot Group to email GW, asking them to reconsider the exact approach here.

*Look, this is serious. How serious? This is me actually criticising GW serious.

**and we know what assume does!


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My email to GW, sent just now wrote:
First of all, I want to offer my thanks on behalf of Hobbyists everywhere for your efforts to support FLGS. This is a great idea to help them get back on their feet.

I work in the insurance/banking industry, so I’m aware how few Business Interruption Policies cover a Government ordered shutdown, pandemic or not. So if you’ll excuse slightly colourful language, I suspect a lot of such businesses are on the bones of their arse.

But, I’m a wee bit concerned at reports saying they’re only getting a handful sent out to them. I rather fear this is mostly going to benefit uh....shall we call them ‘eBay Entrepeneurs’. It may also leave a bad taste in the mouth of FLGS customers who miss out.

So I’m writing you to ask you to slightly reconsider the approach here. As well as providing the current handful free of charge, please please please also make them Available to Order for all FLGS. Even at the usual wholesale rate (whatever that is, I’m just a customer) it’ll give them a re-opening week shot in the arm.

That’s important to any business reopening as it’ll massively help them with their cash flow. And as I’m sure you can appreciate, it’s often a bottle neck in cash flow, rather than a lack of customers, that can send a company under.

Please.....please consider my begging here.


Yours

If you’re of a similar mind, please do email GW. But I’d ask you no to simply copy/pasta my text to them. Template based write-in campaigns strike me as less convincing! I mean, you can if you want. I’m not gonna sue you, or even know, after all!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Lol what a joke idea. Ignore what goverment tells you to do just to cast more plastic sprues.

Are you real?

Now you're just putting words into my mouth and spouting random bull gak.

Sorry, gotta agree with H.B.M.C. here.
GW are giving independent stores some free models to thank them and people are losing their minds. These models could have been put nto limited production before the outbreak or done on a skeleton crew whilst retaining social distancing. As a former staff member who has been into the factory a number of times, I can say that the process is mostly automated.
There is also a possibility that the miniature will be put into production again further down the line. We've got a global pandemic and people are going crazy over a plastic miniature.
Priorities..........

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Both local FLGS confirmed they are getting , respectively , 1 and 4.

Which doesn’t even cover part of a day’s losses.

eBay is going to make morebon these than most FLGS.

GW had the right idea but needs to rethink this. One of the owners already said that he’s now in an awkward position of having multiple regulars all wanting the same thing , can’t please all of them so most are going to be disappointed. Any business owner will tell you that is a bad thing.

I’m not suggesting that GW reopens to make this , just rethink what the purpose of this is. You want to actually help indies ? Made to order this fir a week and give it a low trade price so they make more, just cover GW’s actual costs. One FLGS has thirty of us interested , so let’s say it retails £22.50. GW staff can buy a £22.50 model for £11.25. Let’s say it cost GW that (it won’t ) - that’s potentially £360 could be made and £720 put into the cash flow of the business assuming GW doesn’t want immediate payment from retailers. Even if the FLGS only has that money for a week , it could be enough to carry them through to limited reopening for sales or a decent delivery coming.

Now, I might have my cynicism hat on just a little too tight... but...

...could this whole "only giving FLGS 1-4 of these minis" be GW actually trying to very pointedly show these independent stores exactly what side of their post-corona bread is buttered?

Just about any FLGS is gonna be feeling the financial hurt right about now. Social distancing, lockdowns, customers in pretty dire financial straits - all of them have had their profits pretty surely kicked in the teeth - after all, if GW, one of the UK's safest companies is doing weird hustles like Made-to-Order, semi-re-opening, dragging out previews over 3 weeks and teasing SUPER FOMO ONLY THIS ONE TIME BUY IT OR YOU LOSE stuff...

...the nerdcave down the street is in the proverbial gak.

But 4 limited edition minis, of a really cool character, from a popular army that hasn't had any dedicated love in years? These are gonna sell. You could almost price them however you like, and they're gonna sell. You could even just sell them to your staff, as a kind gesture, to sell on ebay or something, because the staff are sure as hell not having a great time, monetarily. You could even go the same route yourself, and try and make paying rent on your store sting less.

but 1 mini? When you're the only FLGS for miles around? It's barely even going to be on the shelf. Could it be that GW are trying to illustrate just how reliable, just what a unflinching money-spinner their product is, just how much any FLGS needs them to stay afloat, especially after the beating that their profits are and will be taking?