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Definitely drop the price - when the AOS Slaanesh stuff came out I thought about using some of it for a 40k conversion army.

But 5 painbringers for 60? Yikes, no way I'd pay more than 10 bucks a model for basic troops.
   
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I separate my armies into factions, Space Marines, Tyranids, etc. It is highly unlikely that I will add new factions to my current roster of army factions that I have. Most of the new models don't really appeal to me, and I have plenty to work on as is. I would have to admit that I was tempted with the new Necrons, but decided against it for now. Adding on to a new faction is always a possibility for me, but that is diminishing as my collection develops.
   
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GW just needed to sell me on Rogue Trader beakies with modern/Primaris production quality.

   
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Nurglitch wrote:
GW just needed to sell me on Rogue Trader beakies with modern/Primaris production quality.
I'll +1 to this. . . Although technically it wouldn't be another army.


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 Insectum7 wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
GW just needed to sell me on Rogue Trader beakies with modern/Primaris production quality.
I'll +1 to this. . . Although technically it wouldn't be another army.


(shrugs) Could be. Depends upon how you organize your collection.
SMs they may all be, but my UM are definitely NOT the same army as my SW, who are definitely NOT the same as my DA. I've got plenty of all 3 forces.
And yet last year GW convinced me to build another SM army - by finally releasing enough Primaris stuff I liked to be able to form it into a standalone force rather than simply adding units to an existing army.....
   
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Almost every decision I've made to start a new army has been based on third-party bit support that allows me to pursue a particular vision I have - the existence of 3D printed tallarn-style heads got me to start a Dune-style Rusted Cog GSC army (acolytes are all kitbashed Delaque gang members with Ad mech bionics and GSC arms and desert heads, for example); a particular set of third-party bases inspired me to collect a custodes/sisters army based on a byzantine / eastern orthodox theme.

So I guess I'd say the best thing GW could do to get me to buy more GW stuff would, interestingly enough, to go back to embracing conversions more, and, in particular, drop the antagonistic attitude they have to conversions that include non-GW bits.

For example, if instead of fighting third-party producers, they actually encouraged them, to help fill gaps in the GW range.

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I want expand on couple ideas here:

1. Make many different kinds of battleforce boxes and make them available all year round so that you can choose which direction you want to take your army, instead of being simply fed preselected assortment of units in start collecting boxes that may be less viable than others for the army you're trying to build.
2. separate datasheets out of codex, include that army's datasheets within said starter boxes. (so you get overview of entire army so you know what you want to buy next)
3. make BRB great again. Make it an actual BIG RULEBOOK once again. Include all armies' special rules (in form of glossary) and munitorium style abridged unit list. General Lore goes here.
4. provide "Premium" codex in the form that exists now.

In sum, make it possible to make "value" armies. It's far better to incentive starting multiple armies than forcing heavy investments into a single army.

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"Make" me? Well, nothing. I'm spending more money on 3rd party stuff than GW stuff because GW isn't selling what I want to buy any more, and what GW does sell doesn't seem like a good value for its cost. I'm hesitant to suggest specific courses of action due to the monkeigh's paw potential, but a general return to being a hobby company (ie. more care and love in the sculpts, selling spare bits, returning some (if not all) of the discontinued kits to production, price drops, more support for conversions and third-party compatibility, etc) wouldn't hurt, nor would GW showing some general care for the game side of the hobby (ie. more proofreading/playtesting, more even distribution of resources to development for the various factions, less churn, etc).
   
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Easy: finally update eldar! They deserve a new, plastic model line more than any other faction. I'd probably start an eldar army if they actually had cool new models.
   
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Unfortunately it's probably too late for me, the OTT computer-gamey swirl-fest design route that GW has taken in recent years just doesn't do it for me. The GK baby carrier thing marked the turning point for me and that was a long time ago. I still collect and paint, but it's just older stuff, so for GW to get me collecting more of their new stuff they'd have to revert to their older practices design-wise... which ain't happening.

Necromunda and GSC came close to getting me though.
   
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Juxtimon wrote:
Unfortunately it's probably too late for me, the OTT computer-gamey swirl-fest design route that GW has taken in recent years just doesn't do it for me. The GK baby carrier thing marked the turning point for me and that was a long time ago. I still collect and paint, but it's just older stuff, so for GW to get me collecting more of their new stuff they'd have to revert to their older practices design-wise... which ain't happening.


Ditto for me. While I appreciate the advances made in plastic miniatures, the current game design has turned me off. I find myself checking ebay for older models instead, especially metal miniatures which I prefer. The scale creep (the "Primaris effect") also makes my older armies look odd in comparison to the newer, larger models (plus larger bases . . .). I understand GW wants everyone to replace their old models with newer models, but I am very happy with the armies I have completed and have no desire to replace them.

GW's shift from customizable model kits with weapon/gear options to mostly mono-pose models is also a deterrent for me. It will be a sad day when a customizable kit like the Ork Boyz kit is replaced with mono-pose models with limited to no wargear options.

So I end up saving my money, getting better deals on older models I prefer through ebay, and enjoying the hobby modeling and kitbashing aspect more.

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I buy and 3D-print almost exclusively 3rd party these days after spending what is easily a couple thousand on my old armies back in 3rd-5th.

If they wanted me to buy more GW models, they'd have to do most of the following:

-Reduce prices. Half would be great. Make it so that a small set of shaped monoposed plastic costs less than a magic goo machine that lets me just fabricate an army to my whims with only slight loss of detail (and maybe not even that on a small 4K-resolution printer)

-Oh yeah, also stop monoposing.

-Digital, much cheaper book distribution that updates with errata and releases way faster, if not all at once.

-Relatedly, your day 1 Charadon DLC is fired and you should feel bad.

-If you're going to make temp indexes with major changes like a bonus wound to a basic troop, do that for everyone. Don't make people feel like second class for not playing Loyalist Space Marines.

-Which means be done with Loyalist Marines and Primaris for 2 years, minimum.

-Make an Emperor's Children army and models with a codex. >.>; Hey, I wouldn't be here at all if there wasn't something I thought might be worth checking out.

Most of the above can be boiled down to this: make it so that buying from GW doesn't make me feel like I'm part of the problem.

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...but you CANT make them ladies. that is the sacred line across which we must throw our bodies and souls! Space Marines can be every conceivable configuration of 'your dudes' imaginable, SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT IMAGINE THEM AS YOUR DUDETTES!"
 
   
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Juxtimon wrote:
Unfortunately it's probably too late for me, the OTT computer-gamey swirl-fest design route that GW has taken in recent years just doesn't do it for me. The GK baby carrier thing marked the turning point for me and that was a long time ago. I still collect and paint, but it's just older stuff, so for GW to get me collecting more of their new stuff they'd have to revert to their older practices design-wise... which ain't happening.

Necromunda and GSC came close to getting me though.


That is kind of where I am at as well. All of the new releases just don't do it for me any more.
   
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It has already been said, but free rules (free "codices") online, updated all at the same time.

I'd gladly buy physical codices if they had literally zero rules/datasheets inside but only artwork, fluff and pics of painted models.

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I don't think they can do anything to convince me to start more armies at this point.

We know the prices won't come down, and being in NZ, the Antipodes Tax on top of the already sometimes comedically high cost means I've had to make a few hard calls about whether to even finish projects, let alone start new ones.

Although sufficiently interesting new releases will likely still make their way into artsy-fartsy skirmish level painting projects, I just can't ever see myself buying a full new army when infantry kits are often hitting $110.

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Send me some sort of painting apprentice to help me get through my backlog and my terrain project. Then I'll be ready to buy more models. Maybe not a new army, but definitely more models.

Given how small and old my Eldar collection is, getting me to cycle back to them would effectively be a new army, so: give shuriken catapults their 24" range back, release multi pose plastic aspect warriors, have their style in keeping with the original sculpts. Recut all vehicles to ensure they come with all the weapon options and don't have damaged moulds. Make their rules generally feel like 2nd edition Eldar in comparison to current marines.
   
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Other than lower prices, all I care about are new models, with a reasonable amount of customisation, better detail, better anatomy. That's it.

Got back into GW after the Old World announcement and Indomitus. I've got most of the Primaris marines, besides the goofy moonlanders and tanks (No tracks, no buy). Also have some Necrons and Ad-Mech.

Most other armies have horribly outdated and ugly models. GW does absolutely nothing to dispel the meme that they only care about Space Marines.

Edit: Also monopose models and tactical rocks suck.

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Stop putting indexes and rules inside expensive supplements like campaign books full of content I don’t want to buy
   
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They need to make me play 40K and enjoy it.

To do that they need to
-cut the time spent on passively rolling dice by half, and once they do that, cut it by half again
-use this playing time for actual active gameplay by adding more interesting, impactful decision points

Make me feel more like a decision-maker not a menial worker in a random-number-gerenrating department.

The more it results in reducing the stupid randomness of the game, the better (high variance, high impact dice rolls should just go to hell)

   
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New models and rules such that playing that army is fun. I started out in CSM in 5th or 6th edition. And I stuck with it because I always loved the models. But it has been an uphill struggle to play CSM armies. Either there were one or two broken combos I just didn't want to abuse because they felt like such cheats. Or currently, they require ridiculous stuff like fielding two Daemon Primarchs on the field together which just feels dumb.

I would totally branch out into Death Guard, Thousand Sons, or World Eaters if they had new models and army rules that were fun and exciting to play. I picked up Death Guard as part of a combined box in 8th edition and expanded it into a full army when the 9th edition DG codex came out.
   
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Nothing, I'm actively offloading my space marines and considering getting rid of my stormcasts to get me down to one army per system.

Assembling and painting take an eternity, storing even a medium sized collection is an exercise in frustration. Keeping bits around for repairs/weapon swaps means hours upon hours of snipping sprues.

Having more than one army is incredibly burdensome.

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Pump the breaks on edition releases, let the editions breathe. Relearning the game and buying new books is exhausting. It dropped me from the game for 3 years because I just couldn't be bothered to keep up.

Trying to build up a new army takes a lot of time. Throwing a wrench into the process every year or two is really off-putting.

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Two answers.

The current answer. Nothing. The way GW has treated chaos and moreso, 1ksons, is terrible. They cant even be bothered to put out a page long errata giving updated rules just to bring them up to speed. I understand fully that 1ksons needs FAR more than that, and they should have been one of the first codexs released. But suprise, they will be one of the last.

Answer two. When I was still ok with GW, it was pretty much the pricing. I could go with it for two armies, but anything more was to much. So, pricing pretty much.
   
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I wonder how long does it take for a studio worker to invent 4 relics, a weapon, gun, banner and armour/helm etc, 6 new traits for characters and think how much more should a 1ksons and 1ksons termintor cost with 2Ws.

Specially as most of the stuff follows certain patters. Powerfist that doesn't have -1 to hit. Other weapons that are 2D, or do MW on a roll of 6. Not saying it would be the best playtested thing in the world, but if it was really broken, GW could just rewrite the pdf file again. I think a week should be enough to write it, two if working from home.

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Table wrote:
Two answers.

The current answer. Nothing. The way GW has treated chaos and moreso, 1ksons, is terrible. They cant even be bothered to put out a page long errata giving updated rules just to bring them up to speed. I understand fully that 1ksons needs FAR more than that, and they should have been one of the first codexs released. But suprise, they will be one of the last.

Answer two. When I was still ok with GW, it was pretty much the pricing. I could go with it for two armies, but anything more was to much. So, pricing pretty much.

1ksons won't be one of the last codexes, if this week's preview is any indication. They teased a 1ksons and GK battle box. So it looks like they'll be up before the other Legions. Probably after Orks.
   
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40k Warcry game. Something fast and simple that takes low model count and more terrain. Tried Killteam and wasn't a fan.
   
 
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