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 Original Timmy wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
It's getting to be a while ago now - after all, it was pre-Rountree, so we're talking at least 4 years.

That's still an impressive number of customers for a nice market, though.


Wasnt the 2 web exclusive Space Marine Captains part of the launch offer for the new website?

If so, i just checked my past orders and that was @31/05/2014!


Sooooo 2014 so 7 years..... so 1,000,000/7= 142,857 per year average \12= 11,904 orders per month..... seems kinda low IMHO but meh what do I know.

As it's $420 aussie plastic monopoly money, I'm kinda scared to see what it is for Canada, we are the only other country to get close to the screw you tax aka wonky exchange rate that GW uses in it's internal pricing structure. $240(US) freedom dollars.... I'm going to kick myself for looking at this...$300 ouch, which isn't as bad as I thought it would be considering our Cad price is usually just under double the US price even though the exchange rate is only 1US= .75cents.

Still you would think a multi million pound company would have a higher online sales average that 12,000 orders a month from world wide access. I guess it just shows how much stuff people buy through FLGS's with discounts or from local GW stores.

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 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
 Original Timmy wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
It's getting to be a while ago now - after all, it was pre-Rountree, so we're talking at least 4 years.

That's still an impressive number of customers for a nice market, though.


Wasnt the 2 web exclusive Space Marine Captains part of the launch offer for the new website?

If so, i just checked my past orders and that was @31/05/2014!


Sooooo 2014 so 7 years..... so 1,000,000/7= 142,857 per year average \12= 11,904 orders per month..... seems kinda low IMHO but meh what do I know.

As it's $420 aussie plastic monopoly money, I'm kinda scared to see what it is for Canada, we are the only other country to get close to the screw you tax aka wonky exchange rate that GW uses in it's internal pricing structure. $240(US) freedom dollars.... I'm going to kick myself for looking at this...$300 ouch, which isn't as bad as I thought it would be considering our Cad price is usually just under double the US price even though the exchange rate is only 1US= .75cents.

Still you would think a multi million pound company would have a higher online sales average that 12,000 orders a month from world wide access. I guess it just shows how much stuff people buy through FLGS's with discounts or from local GW stores.


They probably mean a million customers though? Not a million orders. So a lot of people would probably have order multiple times over 7 years.
   
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I'm guessing a lot of orders went through GW and FLGS (for free shipping), so maybe those didn't count?

And a lot of people probably prefer shopping on ebay or third party retailers, for slight discounts.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Spectral Ceramite wrote:
I think they are 'pulling the piss' (slang for: it means they are joking...)

There is no way that you have to spend $420 AU to get this model, which you could kit bash better from kits available (or even do the exact model...) (it says spend 150 pounds and in AUD is $285, but the website says spend $420...either way, I hate primaris anyway so no incentive for me (prefer first born especially with Deathwatch, are way better))


Well. Care to show your kitbashed version that is same looking?

Hopefully you aren"t claiming you can kitbash without being able to do so when put to prove your claim


Honestly, if you can't 'kitbash' this guy, maybe spend more time making stuff... . (Tbh I have like 4k of primaris DW and don't plan on making more, was just the minimum of the new guys when want to run them).

I find making the models and converting the most enjoyable part of this hobby, and this model gives nothing...

Remember that monkey librarian they released (the one with arms around his head). I bought that and converted it to an awesome GK librarian (changed legs, staff top, head, left arm position etc. Cause he had character...) with this new guy he has nothing worth taking, everything is almost generic. Just one of a million examples.

I mean is good for free if ordering things cannot get from cheaper stores (like I ordered an entire Dark elf army recently, all models had to be ordered from GW online because non of my online stores stock them units).

But is it good...no. Is it worth me ordering things I want that can't be bought cheaper from other stores...no. If was ordering that much anyway, a good bonus...Yes.

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Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.

Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.

All talk, no ability.

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TBH the BASE would be the hard thing to convert, the mini itself is essentially just a dude with a pistol and chain sword. so if you don't give a damn about the base, yeah it's accurate to say this'd be easy to do.

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tneva82 wrote:
Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.

Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.

All talk, no ability.


That's ok, you can think no substance is your opinion (don't give a gak what you think, but think what will).

What has no substance or character is the model they are promoting. For the apparent 1 millionth order etc or whatever, you would think would do something with character. Ironically, is something which has none.

14k Generic Space Marine Chapters
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10k Sisters of Battle
3k Inquisition
4k Grey Knights
5k Imperial Guard
4k Harlequins
4k Tau



 
   
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Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.

Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.

Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.


I agree with that, but don't people sculpt there own battle damage? The generic template is there for you to do just that?

But yes the base is good, I think that aspect looks good.

Edit: if I got it, I would do the bottom left necron doing the scratch marks on his right front leg (to go with the scratches, like half way down prob convert to a flayed one) and his chainsword cutting off the other reaching necrons hand.

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20k Deathwatch
10k Sisters of Battle
3k Inquisition
4k Grey Knights
5k Imperial Guard
4k Harlequins
4k Tau



 
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of orders went through GW and FLGS (for free shipping), so maybe those didn't count?

And a lot of people probably prefer shopping on ebay or third party retailers, for slight discounts.


That was my thought, a million transactions vs a million customers is quite a different perspective.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.

Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.

All talk, no ability.


It's a normal Assault Intercessor sergeant with a plasma pistol. Every part is already present in a single Assault Intercessor kit.

It doesn't even fall into the realm of "kitbash" unless you want to include the Necrons.

Honestly, pretending that someone can't assemble this guy from spare parts is weird.
   
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So what are people thinking the monetary value of this guy will be? I have a big order coming up and will save money by buying from elsewhere, or buy direct from GW to get the model.

Is it worth it?
   
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 phandaal wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.

Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.

All talk, no ability.


It's a normal Assault Intercessor sergeant with a plasma pistol. Every part is already present in a single Assault Intercessor kit.

It doesn't even fall into the realm of "kitbash" unless you want to include the Necrons.

Honestly, pretending that someone can't assemble this guy from spare parts is weird.
I liked the part where unless you're willing to put in a not-insignificant amount of effort you're wrong. No one has taken the time to do work for someone with an unreasonable attitude for free in order to settle that a generic looking space man looks like other space men, so really, we're all wrong, in spirit. But think of the glory, if one were to prove an internet skeptic wrong.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
So what are people thinking the monetary value of this guy will be? I have a big order coming up and will save money by buying from elsewhere, or buy direct from GW to get the model.

Is it worth it?


For what it’s worth (pun not intended), the Loot Group price is £21 (or local currency GW price equivalent) as that’s in-line with other Commemorative Series models that got a retail release.

Will that impact the wider pricing? Not a clue, as this is a difficult one to judge supply vs demand. And to claim the Loot Group has a significant impact on the wider market seems….more than a tad arrogant. We’re an alternative, but sadly not a solution to scalpers ramping up prices.

My first already has a new home to be sent to, and I’m likely to get my mitts on a second next payday, as I do need ever more Necromunda scenery.

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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
But think of the glory, if one were to prove an internet skeptic wrong.


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Spectral Ceramite wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.

Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.


I agree with that, but don't people sculpt there own battle damage? The generic template is there for you to do just that?

But yes the base is good, I think that aspect looks good.

Edit: if I got it, I would do the bottom left necron doing the scratch marks on his right front leg (to go with the scratches, like half way down prob convert to a flayed one) and his chainsword cutting off the other reaching necrons hand.


I think in general is preferable to have no battle damage and you either paint or carve your own on your army but this is more of a display miniature, the celebration of something and some painters may prefer not to fiddle, sculpt or add bits and just paint as is, for display.

I doubt I will go out of my way to get this sergeant but if I did I would keep it as it is and just add it on top of a scratchbuilt scenic base with plinth where there would be a pile of necrons, kind of king of the hill diorama.


   
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I may pick this up. Just got a bonus at work, and there are some direct only stuff I have my eye on. 15% off of $240 is $36, so about the same as a character model separately.
   
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It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"

It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"

It seems to me this model is pretty much perfect for the promotion because it's cool enough to prompt people to take part but not so amazing or unique that you're really missing out if you don't.

I like the model. Really just for the base - I might put a power fist or even a jump pack on the marine and turn him into something more special. There's about £150 of things I've been meaning to get for a while so I will just get them now and enjoy this model as a bonus.

If GW are in a trolling mood the next one should be a new Ork Boy with just a shoota.


   
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soviet13 wrote:
It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"

It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"



Setting aside the people who hate the idea of a company making money at all:

It's less outrage and more "with a paywall like that for a model like that - pass."
   
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soviet13 wrote:
It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"

It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"

Or: the enlightened third position = "Why don't Gw just, y'know, sell the model..?"

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
soviet13 wrote:
It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"

It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"

Or: the enlightened third position = "Why don't Gw just, y'know, sell the model..?"


Pretty basic capitalism.

Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.

Please note I am not claiming any specific let alone insider knowledge as to what the average spend on GW’s website is. But I think we can make something at least close to an educated guess.

First and foremost, they offer free shipping on orders of £20 or more. That’s a pretty low bar itself, but does at least encourage people to save orders for random paints and brushes (the only thing I can immediately think of to not exceed the threshold).

Second and secondmost, this particular model’s £150 spend qualifying threshold thing.

From those two known data points, we can reasonably extrapolate that the average spend is somewhere between £20 and £150.

Given its mail order, we can safely infer there is some kind of work hour cost in picking, packing and dispatching said orders. U.K. wage laws and shipping costs being what they are, we can be pretty confident that’s a relatively fixed cost, though we can’t safely speculate what that actual cost is. Why? Few to none of us Dakkanauts have worked in their warehouse, so we’ve no real way to guess what a picker-packer might have as a productivity target, or exactly how it’s measured. I can with some confidence say that people who do high volume dispatches do get more favourable shipping rates.

From that, we can be confident that pretty much any order over £20 is worth the bother, because GW offer free shipping at that specific threshold.

Now. The £150 threshold. I speculated above that the average spend might be somewhere close to that. How close? Well…..that’s a different matter. But given this sort of model normally retails at £21, perhaps we can guess it to be £130ish. It could actually be somewhat lower, with GW relying on the exclusivity to generate higher demand.

Because the actual cost of producing that model is, mould aside, peanuts. The mould itself might be fairly expensive, sure. And you need to recoup the packaging, design and production time. And the mould is likely producing multiple copies at a time (because it’s my understanding the moulds are a pretty universal size? Do Not Quote Me On This). We can be pretty sure GW has counted their beans and worked out the numbers, and figured this will be a profitable endeavour.

Certainly we can quite reasonably infer that they’ve considered it, and found it to be worth the risk and will generate a profit. Especially as they control their own production and distribution chain.

To revisit the “costs them peanuts” thing? I suspect at least part of their calculation will include people ordering already popular and therefore profitable kits, so the “costs them peanuts” thing redoubles it’s efforts. People chucking decent amounts of cash at you, buying goods that have long since paid their own production costs, on the promise of a shiny new and exclusive “now or never” model.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
soviet13 wrote:
It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"

It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"

Or: the enlightened third position = "Why don't Gw just, y'know, sell the model..?"


They do sell it! Even better, we get 9 Assault Intercessors in the box along with him!

Just gotta let your dog chew on the sergeant for a little while to simulate "battle damage."
   
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Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.

Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all. As a customer, it would've been much better to just offer it on sale, even direct only, than hide away behind a promotion. We're not supposed to cheer on companies as they take advantage of human psychology for profit.

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Cronch wrote:
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.

Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all. As a customer, it would've been much better to just offer it on sale, even direct only, than hide away behind a promotion. We're not supposed to cheer on companies as they take advantage of human psychology for profit.


It's anti-consumer to give something away for free rather than sell it to you? I don't think so.

This isn't anything unique like a special character or unique armament. It's just a basic dude on a cool base. I think people can live without it if necessary.
   
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I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."

That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed
   
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 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."

That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed

Man, I don't like to tell people not to buy something they want...

But don't buy a Stompa! That kit is a nightmare! It has not aged well.

Gork+Morkanauts are the same price, and the kit will not require three pounds of rubber bands.
   
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soviet13 wrote:
If GW are in a trolling mood the next one should be a new Ork Boy with just a shoota.
You jest, but GW pretty much already did that with the 40k 30th Anniversary model. Not an Ork Boy, but a generic Bolter Marine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
But don't buy a Stompa! That kit is a nightmare! It has not aged well.
I want to buy a Stompa just to take all its parts and make Orky terrain.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."

That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed



Fortunately I've been out of the UK for five months so I've ended up ordering (in two batches) the plastic crack I was going to go all out for in a binge in January.

Unfortunately, the Long Haired Admiral at home will be able to monitor the arriving boxes!

   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."

That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed

Man, I don't like to tell people not to buy something they want...

But don't buy a Stompa! That kit is a nightmare! It has not aged well.

Gork+Morkanauts are the same price, and the kit will not require three pounds of rubber bands.


Thank you for your advice :thumbs-up:

Personally, I prefer the orkanauts too (it helps they're a newer kit). I'll just let my brother decide what he wants and let him pick something. That's probably the best gift anyway haha
   
 
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