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Voss wrote:

JWBS wrote:

Voss wrote:

soviet13 wrote:
Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?

Quite a few. Right now a regiment is done with command box+infantry box+heavy weapon box.
The new Krieg squad has enough bits that a separate command box is pretty unnecessary. Just the heavy weapons team.

Given how many roles basic infantry can fulfill (squad, command squad, special weapons squad, commander, lieutenant, etc, etc) they're pretty all purpose.
So it really depends on how... 'generous' GW is feeling? I'm sure a bean-counter somewhere put a line under wherever their prediction for diminishing returns is, but 3-4 regiments with two boxes each doesn't seem unreasonable for a neglected faction.

The problem with that (I imagine) is that the different variants would cannibalise each other, so even though there's only 4-5 skus per faction, the expenditure of designing and tooling 4-5 skus (x5 factions) would be a lot less appealing to them that 4-5 (x1 faction), given that there's only so many people interested in buying Guard of any flavour, and the buyers would just stick to the flavour they like best (a problem that space marines have never had due to their unique history of extreme popularity and the relative ease with which the core component of any flavour of marine can be flipped to any other flavour with the addition of a single accessory sprue, and often not even requiring that).

Oh. I agree, SKU reluctance will kept guard small and neglected. I expect the current Boring Ones and Atrocities to remain as they are (Cadians and Catachans, for clarity ), Krieg to get fleshed out beyond the KT squad, and _maybe_ one more added along the same lines as Krieg. And that's it. Maybe a new tank (that uses pretty much all the rumor engine bits).

But they could do more- that's what I meant by 'generous'


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 Sabotage! wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.

Two things.
1 - Good God I hope Krieg doesn't get made the poster child Guard faction. That would be horrendously stupid and do so much damage to the hobby image.
2 - Cadia is a system, not just a planet. The Cadian Regiments were raised and garrisoned all over the Cadian Gate and sent out into the Galaxy with thousands of Regiments to spare. It was even added in the 8th Ed Codex that many worlds with settled Cadian Regiments took up arms again and raised new Cadian Regiments to get vengeance for their lost homeworld. Then there are the many other Regiments that are trained by Cadian officers, use Cadian gear and Cadian tactics like the Truscan Snowhounds or Faeburn Vanquishers. There is literally no reason for Cadians to not still be the poster faction.

1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?

Because some people are ahistorical and randomly assume gasmask=WW2 Germans, rather than their actual derivation. Its a kneejerk reaction that doesn't have much place in reality.

2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.

Since they just did the additional sprue, Cadians are more than likely sticking around. Though i expect less narrative focus on them.

I wouldn't see Gas masked WW1 trench soldiers (French inspired none the less) being too much an issue among the wargaming industry. I guess there is a demographic of people out there who have no knowledge of history and get all their ideas what Nazis look like from horror movies. It also is an industry where people actively play Nazi armies in historicals (which is insane to me.....but that's another topic all together).

Oh, I think Cadians will stick around, I just don't seem them getting any more updates.

Basically.

I'll admit that my personal fondness for Krieg stems directly from my hatred of painting human faces. lips and eyes just... yeah, no.

 Gert wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?

The Krieg are idolised by the fash elements within the hobby and I'm not saying that everyone that likes the DKoK are fash but the very vocal fash within the community like to use them as outlets for their fashness.

2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.

Replace several with most in that first bit. You're just wrong with your knowledge of the Cadian Regiments.
Also, the Cadians got a recent upgrade sprue and them not aging well is an opinion, not a fact. It would make 0 sense for GW to can them in favour of DKoK.

I mean, I don't associate with people that are fascists, so I don't know what the 40k fascists are in to (nor would I even know where to look), but there isn't really anything more fascist about the DKoK than the rest of the Imperium (which in general is mega fascist). The models themselves are inspired by Republican French Soldiers and Imperial German Soldiers from the First World War.

I'm not a Cadian fanatic, I don't know how many Cadian regiments are out there in the 40k universe. The last 40k fluff I recall that featured Cadians had most of the Cadian regiments defending Cadia as it was pretty much the most important fortress planet in the Imperium. To be fair I don't really care enough to go and look up what percentage of Cadian regiments survived the destruction of the planet.

I mean, you can argue that they have aged well, and maybe you like the look of miniatures that have hands as big as their torsos - but I think you wouldn't find a lot of people who would agree that a Cadian is a good looking miniature next to pretty much anything GW has put out in plastic in the last 15 years. I mean if you compare them to one of the new Krieg, or even one of the old Perry metals (from really any of the Guard lines) their proportions are terrible. Them getting an upgrade sprue pretty much guarantees they aren't getting a resculpt unfortunately. I don't think GW will ditch the model line, I just think they are no longer going to be front in center as newer and better sculpted Guard are in the market.

chaos0xomega wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...

Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.

...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?

If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.

Realistically you're getting:

-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be

I would be surprised if we got much more than that.

I'd honestly be shocked if we got that much. I'm half expecting the Chaos Knight to be the only Chaos thing and be pleasantly suprised if we get anything else.

 CMLR wrote:


Quite high in hopium.

Yes, I made that post before they announced what games would be covered.

Warcry and Warhammer Quest are no longer part of the line up whereas Horus Heresy is.

Seems no silhouette today, so we might conclude we’re being kept entirely in the dark until it’s show time.

 Sasori wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...

Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.

...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?

If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.

Realistically you're getting:

-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be

I would be surprised if we got much more than that.

I'd honestly be shocked if we got that much. I'm half expecting the Chaos Knight to be the only Chaos thing and be pleasantly suprised if we get anything else.

Yeah. I’m definitely not expecting 2 ‘full previews’, as well as both flavours of Knight, for 40k, and I’m not even really expecting a full Eldar preview seeing as they’ve already said there’s another ‘Path of the Preview’ next Monday (although it could be into rules or just a closer look at something they show Friday). Maybe a full Eldar preview and a chaos tease, at a push.

Krieg are an interesting faction with facist undertones, but it is important to form the distinction between their doctrine/ideology and Nazi Germany (Though I get they are facist in accordance with the WWI era aspect of facism).

Absolutely a problem if they become the poster child of AM... It's not a good look.

What in 40k doesn't have fascist undertones?

chaos0xomega wrote:
-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be

I would be surprised if we got much more than that.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What in 40k doesn't have fascist undertones?

Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...

Just touching on the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight books - I've heard mention of a model for the spikey side of the fence, but has there been any talk of the Imperial side getting anything this time around?

If IK are just getting a book, then a CK/IK double-pack preview would be possible.

I think Chaos Knights are playing catch-up with Imperial Knights. A new IK release would maintain the gap.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The DKoK box is actually stupid good for what's in there. I was able to build out a Command Squad, a Company Commander, a Master of Ordnance, and 2x squads from having split three boxes with people wanting Kommandos+scenery.

But it's a "Veteran Guardsmen" box. A Kill Team branded box.

I'd imagine that a DKoK box wouldn't include that accessory sprue, and would just be the basic guys. The main sprue already has all the special weapons.

 Dysartes wrote:
Just touching on the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight books - I've heard mention of a model for the spikey side of the fence, but has there been any talk of the Imperial side getting anything this time around?

If IK are just getting a book, then a CK/IK double-pack preview would be possible.

There has not been any mention of a new model for the Imperial side of things. I'm guessing they're trying to add a bit of parity to the CK/IK side of things by possibly adding a "character" Chaos Knight.

They're both currently tied outside of Canis Rex being a thing.

For hours heresy, maybe the dire wolf titan in 28mm scale?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What in 40k doesn't have fascist undertones?

Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...

Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.

 Thargrim wrote:
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.

There's a whole sub-reddit for 40k fans who can't separate fiction from reality. I won't say its name here...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What in 40k doesn't have fascist undertones?

Being just peckish, I'd have to go with Tyranids.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
What in 40k doesn't have fascist undertones?

Being just peckish, I'd have to go with Tyranids.

Endless expansion to subjugate and eliminate other races? Sounds fascist to me.

Can we not?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Endless expansion to subjugate and eliminate other races? Sounds fascist to me.

I'll take your word for it.

What are you looking forward to most on Friday?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.

There's a whole sub-reddit for 40k fans who can't separate fiction from reality. I won't say it's name here...

There's a whole sub-reddit for almost ANYTHING.
Heck I suspect there's a whole sub-reddit dedicated to Mr Boopers

It's like saying there's a whole twitter account or Facebook page - they are so easy to setup and so easy to join (which is why they are big social media blocks) that any interest group can set one up. Even if you've only a handful of people who can just chatter away for hours you can get one going.






In happier news for the LVO - I wonder if the first CC expansion we see will involve the character that already got released or if we'll see some brand new models that are totally new.

 Overread wrote:



In happier news for the LVO - I wonder if the first CC expansion we see will involve the character that already got released or if we'll see some brand new models that are totally new.

That's a great question - I'm not sure on the characters, but I think the enemies will be based on that map they had on the website. For example there was an area that sound like it was full of Nighthaunt and what not.

Makes me wonder if I will pick up CC. It's appealing, but it's another one of those "one and done" printings I might pass because I'm going to have lots of Eldar to buy for 40k, and I want a few more tanks for my Guard.

 Overread wrote:


There's a whole sub-reddit for almost ANYTHING.

Yeah that's true. Quite weak and obscure arguments against DkoK imo, reminiscent of the Satanic Panic and made all the more bizarre given they're coming from people who've more likely than not enjoyed the lore and aesthetic themselves at some time, to some extent. Like, Hey guys, this is too dangerous. In current year it's not okay. I know what it is, and you know what it is, and we know what it's not, but the implications for what it could mean to anyone that's in the know (as are you and I), who don't know what it is, who might be confused, or want it to mean something that it doesn't, well that just doesn't bare thinking about really.

Wouldn't it be crazy to reveals a new DP based on the TWWH3 with the same metric ton of choices?

Only 888.88! Quids!

Demon Prince is one of the weaker Chaos sculpts, esp now that they've really gone to town with the greater demons. I'd love to have a revised demon prince or even four of them (one per god) to really give them a more varied set of appearances.

Heck I already picked up an older metal Slaanesh Greater Demon model just to use a demon prince proxy because it looks (in my view) way better and its of the right size.

On the other hand, one of the stipulations made by GW to CA about their build-a-prince Daemon Prince is that his initial model match the one they sell.

Really excited to see what is coming next for underworlds!

 jaredb wrote:
Really excited to see what is coming next for underworlds!

They're not previewing Underworlds:

Do you really think they'll do both?

No reason not to? We already know Chaos and Eldar are coming next, we've already seen previews of 2 new kits for Chaos plus whatever theyve shown for Aeldari. Makes sense that they would use this opportunity to expand on that more than it does that they would show us something entirely new and unannounced.

We're also due for the KT reveal for this quarter, so this is as good a time as any and it matches with how the previous 2 were revealed (online preview things for both).

Idoneth amd Fyreslayers battletome reveal is low effort, we know theyre getting new books because fury of the deep. The reveal will be like the grey knights/thousand sons/black templars reveal, they'll show us the cover art , maybe even as part of a battletome roadmap type thing where they teade the next battletome after with an abstract image of a pirate that the community will spend a month debating about whether its teasing vampirates or ogor pirates or skaven pirates or grot sky pirates, etc before they finally reveal it to be cities of sigmar.

Imperial/Chaos Knights reveal will be the same, theyll almost definitely show us cover art for eldar and csm books, the question is whether theyll show usart for knights or just a black box woth the faction symbols.

Really I think only Necromunda and HH have any potential of being something substantial.