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Breton wrote:

Voss wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
Guard. It's Guard. Knights codices are announced as next after nids, and Chaos is teased to be right after.

"To each of us falls a task, and all the Emperor requires of us Guardsmen is that we stand the line, and we die fighting. It is what we do best. We die standing."

Could still be daemons. Probably will be daemons, so we have a break from all that chaos.
We've got multiple guard rumor engine pics now, and nothing for daemons (the wings are in the chaos marine teaser)

I'd like to change my guess to Squats?

Nah. We've got Votann penciled in for later this year ("a few months off" according to the article), still nothing on daemons.
Sticking with daemons.

 Dysartes wrote:
If they wanted a single-model release for Daemons, a plastic Herald of Slaanesh on foot would fit that bill easily enough. Or a plastic Tzeentch Herald, on or off Disc.

we already have a plastic tzeentch herald, if anything, demons need new entries, not old kits remade

I was about to say, as models go, Daemons have some of the newest models. Belakor, The whole AOS line that can also be used for 40k, the Slaneshi stuff, the new Brimstone horrors, and didn't they also update the stupid bloodletters? Also, all the nurgle daemons are new since 8th. Meanwhile AM is using the same models since before 7th. If anyone deserves new updated models it's Nids or IG.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If they wanted a single-model release for Daemons, a plastic Herald of Slaanesh on foot would fit that bill easily enough. Or a plastic Tzeentch Herald, on or off Disc.

we already have a plastic tzeentch herald, if anything, demons need new entries, not old kits remade

Interestingly enough, they've been kinda/sorta hinting at things of this nature happening.

Those Gellarpox Infected? They get a shoutout in "Engine War" as part of the daemonic side of things rather than aligned to any mortal forces.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I was about to say, as models go, Daemons have some of the newest models. Belakor,

A special character from last year, that doesn't play well with traditional daemon lists for a host of reasons.
Frankly this goes over like 'Well, Chaos Marines have Abaddon, so they're all fine'

Its a problem with daemon book in general. A few bits and bobs for one god (or no god) doesn't do anything for folks who play anything else.

The whole AOS line that can also be used for 40k,

??
What are you referring to here?

the Slaneshi stuff

...the fiends and the harpist? From the 2018 box?

, the new Brimstone horrors

from WQ: Silver Tower in 2016?

and didn't they also update the stupid bloodletters?

No.
{You might be thinking of flesh hounds. Who got their very monopose unit in 2018 as well}

Also, all the nurgle daemons are new since 8th.

Well, some.

Meanwhile AM is using the same models since before 7th. If anyone deserves new updated models it's Nids or IG.

??? Nids are getting the parasite and that's it.
Not sure where a 'deserves new models' debate fits into any of this. Especially since we know for certain Guard are getting new models (that rough rider lance isn't going to anyone else, and I very much doubt that's going to be a single model (or unit) for the book)

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If they wanted a single-model release for Daemons, a plastic Herald of Slaanesh on foot would fit that bill easily enough. Or a plastic Tzeentch Herald, on or off Disc.

we already have a plastic tzeentch herald, if anything, demons need new entries, not old kits remade

Ah, my apologies - hadn't realised he was in with the Burning Chariot kit (going by the SC description). I was looking at the individual listings, and didn't see one.

 Dysartes wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
If they wanted a single-model release for Daemons, a plastic Herald of Slaanesh on foot would fit that bill easily enough. Or a plastic Tzeentch Herald, on or off Disc.

we already have a plastic tzeentch herald, if anything, demons need new entries, not old kits remade

Ah, my apologies - hadn't realised he was in with the Burning Chariot kit (going by the SC description). I was looking at the individual listings, and didn't see one.

yeah, that chariot is probably (almost) never built as the chariot lol, its always just bits for heralds + exalted flamers

Voss wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
blah blah blah

Look it's gonna get a lot worse than that. Guard are getting a new tank, a new Deathstrike (Because that's what we wanted) a new Creed model (The lore will hopefully explain this?) and a new type of regiment box (smart money right now is Krieg) but yeah, nids only get 1 model.

I took one of the previous comments about how 9th was going to need to update Daemons models, because they are old. I felt that was an incorrect statement.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Traditionally armour went...
Flak - 6+ (5+ vs explosions) - Guardsmen
Mesh - 5+ - Eldar
Carapace - 4+ - Aspects, fancy humans, etc.
Power - 3+ - Marines

Is this rogue trader or 2nd edition? Ever since 3rd edition onwards flak armour was 5+

Flak was 6+ (5+ vs explosions) in 2nd Ed.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Engaging Kan on the Guardsman armor topic is just not worth it. No Kan, there's no compelling reason why Guardsmen and Guardians have the same armor, and there are plenty of compelling reasons that they don't have the same armor. I'm not going to say another word on that topic.

Traditionally armour went...
Flak - 6+ (5+ vs explosions) - Guardsmen
Mesh - 5+ - Eldar
Carapace - 4+ - Aspects, fancy humans, etc.
Power - 3+ - Marines

And some Eldar were 3+ as well. Aspects were 5+ to 3+.

Back in the glory days, Khorne Space Marines were 2+

Voss wrote:
Feels like daemons will be last. (nobody needs a 2.0, especially not before everyone else is done).

We've had hints, rumor engines or even new models (Chaos Marines) for everything else. (Including a glancing clip of a knight during some video or other). Daemons... nada.

I'm not even sure if GW knows how to make daemons a functional army on its own. Especially monogod.

I wish they'd put daemons in the various chaos chapter books. IE Codex Nurgle rather than Codex Death Guard. Throw in a specialist cultist unit for each (like pox walkers) along with daemons and chaos marines and you've got 3 flavors of units that are still united by their overall theme.

I was kind of disappointed they did not.

^100% Agree. I was pretty miffed when they pulled Daemons out of the Chaos book to begin with.

The challenge we saw with Nurgle Daemons being in Codex: Death Guard was two fold.

The first being that GW didn't keep the datasheets synchronised. For example, even though the Nurglings datasheet was identical between Codex: Death Guard and Codex: Chaos Daemons, there was a point where chapter approved had a points discrepancy between the two. This resulted in you just taking the cheaper version (again, datasheets were identical, so no reason for the points difference). This problem gets compounded if there are datasheet changes and GW fails to keep them in sync.

The second issue was that when the 8th edition DG codex was released, adding Nurgle Daemons to a Death Guard detachment would break some of the bonuses. Most people just assume that if it's in their codex that they can take it without issue. The discussions on Dakka at the time showed that it was a realised issue.

My biggest concern, as a Chaos Daemons player, is if GW wanted to roll Chaos Daemons and CSM into 4 separate faction books. I'm not interested in buying 4 separate books to field my current collection.