Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023

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**Kanluwen**

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

**Kanluwen**

For future reference, you can save everyone having to listen to somebody ranting.

Summary of Rumours:
No OG Regiments
No Veterans, Conscripts, Special Weapons Squads
Overall more elite feel - "Last Sons of Cadia"
Officers + Command Squad Combined
New Unit - Field Ordinance Battery
Scions have a 24" Range and exploding 6s to hit
Guard Combat Patrol = Sentinel, Command Squad, Field Ordinance Battery, Cadian Shock Troops
You can mix and match regiment traits without loosing army wide bonus
Vicious Traps Strat improved
Infantry Squads can't take heavy weapons teams
Infantry Squads can take 2x special weapons
Rogal Dorn tank actually called the Praetorian Tank
Tanith will get a regiment trait
Votan coming out before Guard
Apparently the book has had to be rewritten 4 times and thats what has caused the delays.

Basically, it's all rumors we've already had.

**Kanluwen**

crumby_cataphract wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

...they're getting new Cadians, new Ksarkin, new heavy weapons, new sentinels, a new heavy tank, and new characters - at least. They've also just had new plastic Death Korps added to the range. How on earth does that not qualify as a "glow up" of the model range?

Probably because there's still whole swathes of regiments that have been axed, and a large number of Finecast/resin items?

Just sayin'.

**Kanluwen**

gungo wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

What makes you think the leak image was a picture of the zerkers and not a guard killteam box…

Because it had Angron in it?

Regardless I don’t expect a massive guard reveal. Several rumors Already said worldeaters and votann first.

No, they didn't. Seriously. There was never order given for Votann and World Eaters.

The only CREDIBLE rumour was from OK_E and it had CSM+Daemons before Guard.

Regarding release and the new rumor of the book being pushed back because it needed to be redone.. I’m assuming this is because guard have been doing so poorly competitively that they realized they needed substantial changes and it’s will likely be made with 10th edition in mind… who knows what that means timing suck but if it was rewritten multiple times I expect a well thought out codex for the extra time placed into it.

Or it's just bunk, as usual.

**Kanluwen**

gungo wrote:

I mean mordian glory literally just said again it will be the last codex… you keep jumping up and down saying there has been no credible rumors about the release and are clearly wrong.

Because Mordian Glory is just like Valrak: reposting things already said.

You get that, right? He's not GENERATING anything new. He's not the source of anything. He's just reposting things. Literally everything he posted today was posted elsewhere before. He's not checking the credibility of it, just repeating it.

Heck votann models are already being released to GW stores next month. It looks like it’s probably going to be the next release.

Sure, but some would have said that about Sisters of Battle back when they got their army box.

But oh wait, it wasn't the case now was it?

**Kanluwen**

Big deal if they get their codex first.

That doesn't mean they get their whole range released first necessarily. We'll find out tomorrow in any regards.

**Kanluwen**

Once again:

The C R E D I B L E rumors have always been that CSM and Daemons were coming first.

There was literally zero mention of WE or Votann. Not in the Big Leak a few years back nor from OK_E's stuff.

The "World Eaters and Votann are first!" stuff started cropping up from the usual cesspit of 4channery and then started circulating in the rumormonger video stuff.

You can argue with me all you want. I don't give a feth. It'll come out when it comes out, and so far I'm pretty happy with the changes. Especially the no heavy weapon teams in infantry squads bit!

**Kanluwen**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think the "more elite feel" is a necessity borne out of the current design paradigm of the game. Its hard to keep guard as a cheap horde of faceless mooks when you are compelled to stack 5+ layers of rules on top of their datasheet between strategems, army wide special rules (presumably the orders system), subfaction buffs, warlord traits, relics, and all the other gak they hand out to armies these days.

It's also hard to do that when the faction identity is supposed to be "the professional soldiery of the Imperium", where even the Conscripts are supposed to be moderately trained...and you somehow are outnumbering things like Cultists and being outmaneuvered by them at every turn.

At that point, theres just too much going on and too much capability for a player to reasonably feel like their guardsmen are anything other than elite operators with a big tool kit of capabilities.

It's not just that. The game itself has shifted. We have two factions(Chaos and Genestealer Cult) that are effectively supposed to be "peasant rabble rising up".

It's hard to square what are supposed to be trained soldiers/professional killers when they're just on par with Johnny from the block grabbing an autogun and running amok, and when Johnny has big friends in the form of CSM with him or is somehow behaving with more tactical acumen than your well-trained forces are.

**Kanluwen**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also true. GW struggles hard in establishing a "baseline" and then working around it.

It's especially hard when you just keep effectively copy/pasting the same book for decades.

**Kanluwen**

Bobthehero wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Not looking like we'll get Krieg Grenadiers though which makes me a little sad personally, though they could just have Karskin rules and a switch of keywords if they did come back about, hopefully the engineers are still an option.

Yep, sadface. Unless those plasma wielding vets are the new Grenadiers that are more distinct than Scions and Kasrkins. Makes me sad, too, the OG Grenadiers were the first models I bought, and it seems like GW forgot/stopped caring about them when they released the plastic Kriegsmen and called them Veterans.

The Kill Team list was called veterans. Death Korps just happened to be a convenient, on hand ready to release item from what's been insinuated.

Grenadiers were rumored but so is a DKoK supplement book.

**Kanluwen**

Perfect Organism wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But why do sergeants get autoguns instead of lasguns?

Maybe so they are still visually distinct from the normal lasgun troopers?
Also, SMGs (as well as carbines and other quick-shooting and compact guns) are a classic 'sergeant weapon' in action movies (and, to some extent, real life).

It's worth mentioning that in the Mordian Glory bit, there's a note that it's:
A) Playtest book
B) No lore given or anything like that

Wild, wild speculation on my part is that it's just a return to rifle weapons for Sergeants...since Autoguns are still considered "rifles" rather than carbines or SMGs. We do actually have rules for Lascarbines now as well via Gaunt's Ghosts, which are literally 24" Assault 3 weapons. so there is always that possibility.

**Kanluwen**

OK_E literally called out the whole 3 special weapons thing ages ago for the Cadian datasheet...not really a surprise to see.

**Kanluwen**

Petitioner's City over on Bolter & Chainsword found this:

An Astra Militarum Novel

An elite squad of Cadian Kasrkin are tasked with a critical mission behind enemy lines. They must rescue their general in xenos-held territory before his dangerous knowledge falls into enemy hands. But not all is as it seems...

READ IT BECAUSE

Hear the legendary elite soldiers of Cadia in action as they take on a mission so dangerous it could only be trusted to troops with their training and equipment.

THE STORY

When the perfidious t’au bring down a valkyrie containing an Astra Militarum general on the besieged Imperial world of Dasht i-Kevar, all could be lost what the general knows could break the war effort, and see the planet fall under the control of the vile xenos.

Only the Kasrkin stand a chance at bringing him back. They are the elite of the elite, but the enemy that Captain Bharath Obeysekera and his squad are called upon to fight is unlike any they have faced before the desert itself, endless and implacable.

With sandstorms cutting them off from support, Obeysekera has only his soldiers to rely on. As the Kasrkin journey deeper into the wastes, they begin to realise they’re not the only hunters searching for the missing general, and that their war has caught the attention of something ancient lurking beneath the desert sands…

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Rumour Engine from 10/26/2021. Possibly the Field Ordnance?

**Kanluwen**

It's been basically confirmed for ages now that there's a separate datasheet for Cadians, Catachans, and Krieg.

**Kanluwen**

Chikout wrote:
Is that a horse on the cover of the codex? Rough riders confirmed? The picture is a zoomed in screenshot of the video.

THAT'S LORD SOLAR!

The model is described as having a mechanical horse.

**Kanluwen**

Tastyfish wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Chikout wrote:
Is that a horse on the cover of the codex? Rough riders confirmed? The picture is a zoomed in screenshot of the video.

THAT'S LORD SOLAR!

The model is described as having a mechanical horse.

A new Lord Solar, or Macharius?

It's supposedly someone named Leontus.

**Kanluwen**

GaroRobe wrote:

Would that be the AM "primarch/abaddon" equivalent? I thought that role would be Ursula's as the de facto Creed figurehead

She's Cadian, so unlikely.

**Kanluwen**

Pyroalchi wrote:
Personally I think the Cadians look nice, although the kneecaps... do look a bit weird.

It's so weird to me that this is a complaint. Not trying to single you out specifically Pyro, just you're the most recent one to voice it.

It's an incredibly common feature in a lot of tactical uniforms here in the US...but maybe that's why it feels so weird to me as a complaint, since it's relatively commonplace to see?

Personally, I love everything about these new Cadians. I do wish they all had gloved hands though.

**Kanluwen**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now. Open question.

I’ve seen mention on Dakka that the forthcoming Codex was removing a bunch of options, but I’ve not followed what those are said to be.

One I did glean from casual reading was Infantry Squads losing Heavy Weapons. Thanks to the livestream, we now know the rumour to have been a miscommunication. Whilst Cadian Shocktroop squads only get Special Weapons, Infantry Squads can still have Heavy Weapons.

So…..can someone offer me a comment-free list of the other things we’re being told as going bye bye?

Filter the thread by my postings and you can see what OK_Entrepeneur's listings were.

The HWTs going from Infantry Squads wasn't one of his though. He called it out for Cadians.

**Kanluwen**

StraightSilver wrote:
AtoMaki wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's a mini-Earthshaker. Just being a slightly more different-er Autocannon would make it about as redundant as the slightly bigger lascannon.

It is angled like a direct-fire weapon, so I would also say it is something like the Taurox Battle Cannon or the Predator Autocannon.

Pretty sure in the stream they said it is a mini-Earthshaker, so it fires indirectly.

The statement was it hits like a mini-Earthshaker IIRC. The indirect fire part is up in the air.

It's called the "Bombast Field Cannon".
"Bombast" is, weirdly, a type of padding used to line the inside of garments or armor. Suggests a more defensive rather than offensive role though. Might not be indirect because of that.

**Kanluwen**

Nefrums wrote:

They specifically said that the HWT can be taken in infantry squads, but not by shook troops.

Which I was not really disputing in the quoted post. I think MDG is trying to track down some of the weirder rumors. OK_E is one of the few trackable sources. The whole "NO HWTS IN INFANTRY SQUADS!" thing started showing up on the usual dumpsterfire rumour mills after they made a mention of Cadian Shock Troops getting no HWTs...while conveniently leaving out that Shock Troops, Krieg, and Catachans are all getting their own datasheets per their rumours.

Also none else that noticed the voxes on the HWT models?

Heavy Weapon Squad models. There's a Sergeant in there.

**Kanluwen**

I'm hesitant to get too excited about indirect fire on it at the moment. Might be stratagem or wargear related.

**Kanluwen**

There's a whole bunch of hooplah about them being 50mm based while the Ordnance are 60mm based...but the latter is wrong as they called those out at 100mm.

**Kanluwen**

Cadian Castellan!

Cadians have a long and proud history of command, boasting some of the finest leaders in the Imperium. Like the indomitable Ursula Creed, their Castellans have decades of experience wielding the hammer of the Emperor, and work to ensure that the legacy of Ursakar E. Creed is alive and well.

Unlike regular Command Squads, Castellans don’t go into battle accompanied by a retinue. They move among their troops, issuing orders and directing fire wherever it’s needed, all while extending re-rolls to every CORE unit in range.
Astra Militarum officers can all boost the effectiveness of their Guardsmen with orders, but the Castellan can issue two per turn. Orders are a vital aspect of the war machine, encouraging units to hit harder, pin down foes, and surge across the battlefield in mass human waves.

This incredible new model is tremendously versatile, and comes with plenty of weapon options and four separate heads which you can use to make it truly your own. It can be used with any Astra Militarum army, Cadian or otherwise – even the Death Korps of Krieg and the Catachan Jungle Fighters need battlefield command.

Castellans are competent fighters in their own right, with a panoply of powerful equipment at their disposal. Many a foul traitor has tried to cut the head from the Imperial beast only to receive a power fist to the face for their trouble.

Join us next week for more Astra Militarum reveals as we continue the month-long celebration of humanity’s finest, which began at the Warhammer Day Preview Online. Subscribe to our newsletter to get the latest news delivered to your inbox, fresh from the Administratum.

**Kanluwen**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not a FW Macharius either. Turret is all wrong.

I think this is the fabled Rogal Dorn you know.

Name is "Praetorian". Supposed to be kinda like the Churchill.

**Kanluwen**

Once I learned that meaning of bombast, it put me in the mindset of the "aegis"/"phalanx" close-in systems...just taken to the guard mindset of "PROTECTION BOOM"!

**Kanluwen**

I didn't catch this before and I'm kicking myself for it...

The Kantrael and new pattern Las-weapons are both on display in this image. It's not super obvious but maybe there's two different weapon options?

**Kanluwen**

Votann, Nids, Orks, Necrons, Skitarii, Drukhari...

It's extremely doubtful that there's a 20 model unit, but the Blob Squad stratagem might still be there.

**Kanluwen**

For anyone curious:

Spoiler:

Some interesting stuff.

**Kanluwen**

It's likely that there's going to be accessory sprues for some of the various regiments shown off as kinda/sorta being "Cadian based". Brimlock Dragoons, Vresh Grenadiers, etc.

Don't forget though that there were "3 new regiments coming in plastic" as of the time we started getting the accurate rumours of DKoK.