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Well, that looks like gak. Guess I'm sticking to Killteam.

You forgot that he mentioned the current rumor is for 10th to drop 3-4 months later. If that holds, world eaters and votann are both before guard unless world eaters are waiting until 10th. Like mordian glory said though, this is all rumored and I'm not sure of the veracity of the original individual rumors that he's rounding up

Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

 Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

...they're getting new Cadians, new Ksarkin, new heavy weapons, new sentinels, a new heavy tank, and new characters - at least. They've also just had new plastic Death Korps added to the range. How on earth does that not qualify as a "glow up" of the model range?

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

...they're getting new Cadians, new Ksarkin, new heavy weapons, new sentinels, a new heavy tank, and new characters - at least. They've also just had new plastic Death Korps added to the range. How on earth does that not qualify as a "glow up" of the model range?

Probably because there's still whole swathes of regiments that have been axed, and a large number of Finecast/resin items?

Just sayin'.

 Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

How is getting a new/updated Kasrkin, Commissar, Heavy weapons, sentinel, special weapons, Guardsmen Squad, Command Squad and Creed and a new tank not a significant update for the model range?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

...they're getting new Cadians, new Ksarkin, new heavy weapons, new sentinels, a new heavy tank, and new characters - at least. They've also just had new plastic Death Korps added to the range. How on earth does that not qualify as a "glow up" of the model range?

Probably because there's still whole swathes of regiments that have been axed, and a large number of Finecast/resin items?

Just sayin'.

Yeah, that's fair. But still, even just considering the models that we've seen so far, this is shaping up to be a pretty large release. I don't know if it was ever really realistic to expect GW to update some of the old metal ranges from decades ago, to be honest.

 Kanluwen wrote:

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

What makes you think the leak image was a picture of the zerkers and not a guard killteam box…
Regardless I don’t expect a massive guard reveal. Several rumors Already said worldeaters and votann first.

Regarding release and the new rumor of the book being pushed back because it needed to be redone.. I’m assuming this is because guard have been doing so poorly competitively that they realized they needed substantial changes and it’s will likely be made with 10th edition in mind… who knows what that means timing suck but if it was rewritten multiple times I expect a well thought out codex for the extra time placed into it.

The rewrites are supposedly because the codex was horridly overpowered

I think there was a rumor that guard were next after demons at one point...which would mesh with the rumor that the testing codex was sent back 4 times assuming the guard after demons rumor was prior to those delays becoming untenable.

The well thought out aspect might depend on how much of a rewrite it was. If they tossed the previous version completely and started from scratch there's no reason for the quality to be any different than previous codices (and actually there's reason for it to be worse as they'd probably be rushing it). If the changes have been iterative, then it seems to be like the extra time should produce a higher quality

New Cadians have a longer coat, so would work as Steel legion with Deathkorp heads or perhaps even Tallarn with a more specific head swap. And Krieg work pretty nicely as Valhallans with a head swap



We just need a head sprue and then only Mordian is a bit tricky, though parade ready cadians with capped heads and epaulet arms would perhaps do the trick.

It's right up Forgeworld's alley

Can you put that image inside a spoiler tag? It's mucking up the formatting

gungo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

What makes you think the leak image was a picture of the zerkers and not a guard killteam box…

Because it had Angron in it?

Regardless I don’t expect a massive guard reveal. Several rumors Already said worldeaters and votann first.

No, they didn't. Seriously. There was never order given for Votann and World Eaters.

The only CREDIBLE rumour was from OK_E and it had CSM+Daemons before Guard.

Regarding release and the new rumor of the book being pushed back because it needed to be redone.. I’m assuming this is because guard have been doing so poorly competitively that they realized they needed substantial changes and it’s will likely be made with 10th edition in mind… who knows what that means timing suck but if it was rewritten multiple times I expect a well thought out codex for the extra time placed into it.

Or it's just bunk, as usual.

No OG Regiments
No Veterans, Conscripts, Special Weapons Squads
Overall more elite feel - "Last Sons of Cadia"
Infantry Squads can't take heavy weapons teams

What a load of horse gak.

Infantry squads not being able to take heavy weapons teams would be insane.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yikes. That's looking pretty dire tbh. Unfortunate since guard really need a glow up in terms of both model range and their ruleset, and I feel like they're getting neither.

...they're getting new Cadians, new Ksarkin, new heavy weapons, new sentinels, a new heavy tank, and new characters - at least. They've also just had new plastic Death Korps added to the range. How on earth does that not qualify as a "glow up" of the model range?

New Cadians are long overdue, so that's to be expected as a baseline. Kasrkin are a nice surprise, but Heavy Weapons arguably didn't really needed to be updated assuming the new Cadian kit was modular enough to allow you to make one as well. The original plastic sentinel was fine and didn't really seem like it needed an update (especially since the new one seems oddly rotund) and the new heavy tank is something we haven't seen anything yet in terms of rules or models, and given the past track record of the Taurox, I'm not super enthused that GW will have a good design for it, especially when they could revisit old FW artillery tanks that are no longer in production. A new commissar is nice as is Fem-Creed, but IMO are kits that could have been shelved in return for other things in need of update. The baseline catachan infantry squad models are still stunningly old and desperately need a refresh, and there are other kits like Wyrdvane Psykers and Ratlings that could get the plastic treatment. Overall, it's really a missed opportunity to address the lack of diversity in the core units for the different types of regiments that you can build for guard, having revamped Catachans and maybe Steel Legion or Vostroyans to go along with new Cadians would be an amazing way for them to bounce back.

 Kanluwen wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

gungo wrote:
I mean afaik the rumors always said votann and world eaters are still before guard.. probably the next killteam box too… so while I expect at least a teaser I don’t expect a massive guard reveal.

I'd expect it. The pictures leaked from the World Eaters book had the new Cadians in them.

That means Guard is coming before World Eaters.

Additionally, no rumours actually said Votann and World Eaters were before Guard. Just Daemons and CSM.

What makes you think the leak image was a picture of the zerkers and not a guard killteam box…

Because it had Angron in it?

Regardless I don’t expect a massive guard reveal. Several rumors Already said worldeaters and votann first.

No, they didn't. Seriously. There was never order given for Votann and World Eaters.

The only CREDIBLE rumour was from OK_E and it had CSM+Daemons before Guard.

Regarding release and the new rumor of the book being pushed back because it needed to be redone.. I’m assuming this is because guard have been doing so poorly competitively that they realized they needed substantial changes and it’s will likely be made with 10th edition in mind… who knows what that means timing suck but if it was rewritten multiple times I expect a well thought out codex for the extra time placed into it.

Or it's just bunk, as usual.

I mean mordian glory literally just said again it will be the last codex… you keep jumping up and down saying there has been no credible rumors about the release and are clearly wrong. Heck votann models are already being released to GW stores next month. It looks like it’s probably going to be the next release.

 ph34r wrote:
Infantry squads not being able to take heavy weapons teams would be insane.

Insane, but completely in line with all the other stupidity GW has been printing. How people that bad at making games are still employed is baffling to me.

I hope infantry squads go up to 20 with a special weapon per 10 guardsmen if HWT go away, or somehow platoons make their way back. Otherwise IG is going to be the only non-elite army with a basic troop of just 10.

M.

gungo wrote:

I mean mordian glory literally just said again it will be the last codex… you keep jumping up and down saying there has been no credible rumors about the release and are clearly wrong.

Because Mordian Glory is just like Valrak: reposting things already said.

You get that, right? He's not GENERATING anything new. He's not the source of anything. He's just reposting things. Literally everything he posted today was posted elsewhere before. He's not checking the credibility of it, just repeating it.

Heck votann models are already being released to GW stores next month. It looks like it’s probably going to be the next release.

Sure, but some would have said that about Sisters of Battle back when they got their army box.

But oh wait, it wasn't the case now was it?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure, but some would have said that about Sisters of Battle back when they got their army box.

But oh wait, it wasn't the case now was it?

Ok, yes, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend squats aren't getting their codex first despite all signs pointing to that being the case. But why do you care so much about this? Why are you so desperate to deny the fact that squats are coming first?

PS: that SoB box set came with the codex.

Big deal if they get their codex first.

That doesn't mean they get their whole range released first necessarily. We'll find out tomorrow in any regards.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Big deal if they get their codex first.

That doesn't mean they get their whole range released first necessarily. We'll find out tomorrow in any regards.

So now you're moving the goal posts from "we don't know they're coming first" to "big deal if they are"? I really don't understand what your point here is, are you arguing just for the sake of being contrary?

Legit this is terrible news. Because GW doesn't understand how to play IG they were shafted by the mission design of 9th. Then the same happless stooges bumble the codex multiple times. Which leads to a 6yr wait between codex's which puts right at the end of 9th. The sentence 'written with 10th edition in mind' is bone chilling to me. I was around when the 5th ed codex was dropped 'with 6th edition in mind' and after the next 2 codex's which were for 6th came out (5-7months) the IG book was already getting squashed by anything already decent or new. What followed was 4+yrs of a terrible book ill designed with a fuzzy idea of what 6th was going to be. The same thing WILL happen here. Oh and the only things worth taking will be the new kits.

Once again:

The C R E D I B L E rumors have always been that CSM and Daemons were coming first.

There was literally zero mention of WE or Votann. Not in the Big Leak a few years back nor from OK_E's stuff.

The "World Eaters and Votann are first!" stuff started cropping up from the usual cesspit of 4channery and then started circulating in the rumormonger video stuff.

You can argue with me all you want. I don't give a feth. It'll come out when it comes out, and so far I'm pretty happy with the changes. Especially the no heavy weapon teams in infantry squads bit!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Once again:

The C R E D I B L E rumors have always been that CSM and Daemons were coming first.

There was literally zero mention of WE or Votann. Not in the Big Leak a few years back nor from OK_E's stuff.

The "World Eaters and Votann are first!" stuff started cropping up from the usual cesspit of 4channery and then started circulating in the rumormonger video stuff.

You can argue with me all you want. I don't give a feth. It'll come out when it comes out, and so far I'm pretty happy with the changes.

"The 'squats come first rumor' comes from sources with no credibility even though everything GW is showing us is confirming that those sources were correct."

Again, what is your point here, other than sheer stubborn contrariness? Why is it so important to dispute the credibility of a rumor at a point where GW has very clearly confirmed that squats are the next codex?

Especially the no heavy weapon teams in infantry squads bit!

Yes, we are well aware of your toxic "I've got mine, screw you" attitude towards invalidating other people's armies.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Infantry squads not being able to take heavy weapons teams would be insane.

Insane, but completely in line with all the other stupidity GW has been printing. How people that bad at making games are still employed is baffling to me.

They follow the orders of the bosses aka marketing department.

Quality is not needed to get hired. Saying yes to marketing department is.

I'm gonna quote Anton on this one: "Ha, bloody ha".

I'm already not playing 40K anymore and these rumors do not sound like I will be getting back anytime soon. Good news is, more time to play Killteam and build/paint my way through my pile of shame I guess.

A more "Elite Feel"... Hmmm...

Wild speculation here, and something I personally do not agree with at all if it were to be correct, they are purposely trying to reduce the model requirement of guard, specifically the infantry as they find it is overwhelming for new players.

What I find weird though:
As imperial we have the (in my opinion) more or less elite AdMech, the elite, powerarmored SoB, the more elite, powerarmored SMs, the even more elite, powerarmored Grey Knights, the super plus elite, powerarmor+1ed Custodes and the "how elite can it get?" Knights.

Even Guard already had elite Scions. Why should Guard be pushed towards a more elite feel?

Don't get me wrong, I know there are players desperatly wanting to play elite Guard and I have no problem at all with that being made possible. But for something like the Imperium I find it really weird that there might be no army with the "common grunt" feel.

Then again, I might read too much into that...



One question: when writing "no OG regiments" does this refer to the models or to the removal of the regiment specific Warlord traits/orders/heirlooms/characters?

Why would I want my Guard to have an "Elite Feel". I guess this is the paradigm shift that started with Daemons.