Grey Knight new rumours.

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Footsloggin**

2 Types of dreadnoughts, one with a Psycannon gatling gun, one with wings...

**Just Dave**

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Just Dave wrote:I'd have to agree, but Mr Kelly isn't perfect by any means. Thunderwolf Cavalry, Rune Priests and Long Fangs say so.

Yeah, he's their best by far.

As far as 'better units' in each dex, if I was writing a dex I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Like the article someone posted earlier (Which was excellent by the way, thanks to whomever posted it!) pointed out, there will always be top/middle/bottom tier aspects of each codex (Or in game design). It's simply inevitable. However, what Kelly does do well is;

Get the background right
Match the units to the background
Match themes to the units/background
Make almost all the choices viable (No garbage tier, simply lower-higher)

His books are fun to read, fun to play and fun to tinker with. Take the Wolf dex.....it's the ultimate counts as dex. Why? Because you can tinker all damn day with the thing! Thundercav heavy, Wolf Guard Heavy, GH Heavy, Long Fang Heavy, etc etc. Just a damn fun dex to play (against and with). Themes abound and the codex lets you use your imagination. Fun first, everything else after.

You are correct good sir, however not everyone sees things by the perspective of Fun First, everything else after and will therefore abuse any 'flaws' within said Codex.
None the less, what I was getting at was that Phil Kelly is good, but he's not perfect. But as you said "their best by far"

**shrike**

I want phil kelly for C:GK.
Judging codexes:
IG: a massive change from 4th ed. a lot better, and orders are pretty good. maybe try to make platoons better (the only way is blob)
SM: same old, same old. suprisingly, not too OP.
BA: a bit cheesy, but a fun army.
SW: ditto.
orks: nice- maybe a DT with more transport cap. improve the sv. by 1 and make 'em more points (8?). better SC's and IC's.
'nids: synapse rule is a nice idea, but more creatures should be synapse. Doom is wierd.
DH: needs a new codex.
tau: A terrible army to play on a 4x4 board. tau should be cheaper, and pathfinders and fire warriors should swap weapons.
'crons: monolith should lose the ignores lance/melta rule and shouldn't DS (a S10 AV 14/14/14 giant shouldn't be able to teleport behind the enemy) and should have a shiny codex.
SoB: see DH. stats should be the same as SM. A SoB dread would be cool.

**AgeOfEgos**

I'm with ya

Just Dave wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:
Just Dave wrote:I'd have to agree, but Mr Kelly isn't perfect by any means. Thunderwolf Cavalry, Rune Priests and Long Fangs say so.

Yeah, he's their best by far.

As far as 'better units' in each dex, if I was writing a dex I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Like the article someone posted earlier (Which was excellent by the way, thanks to whomever posted it!) pointed out, there will always be top/middle/bottom tier aspects of each codex (Or in game design). It's simply inevitable. However, what Kelly does do well is;

Get the background right
Match the units to the background
Match themes to the units/background
Make almost all the choices viable (No garbage tier, simply lower-higher)

His books are fun to read, fun to play and fun to tinker with. Take the Wolf dex.....it's the ultimate counts as dex. Why? Because you can tinker all damn day with the thing! Thundercav heavy, Wolf Guard Heavy, GH Heavy, Long Fang Heavy, etc etc. Just a damn fun dex to play (against and with). Themes abound and the codex lets you use your imagination. Fun first, everything else after.

You are correct good sir, however not everyone sees things by the perspective of Fun First, everything else after and will therefore abuse any 'flaws' within said Codex.
None the less, what I was getting at was that Phil Kelly is good, but he's not perfect. But as you said "their best by far"

**Kurgash**

shrike wrote:
'crons: monolith should lose the ignores lance/melta rule and shouldn't DS (a S10 AV 14/14/14 giant shouldn't be able to teleport behind the enemy) and should have a shiny codex.

**shrike**

Kurgash wrote:
shrike wrote:
'crons: monolith should lose the ignores lance/melta rule and shouldn't DS (a S10 AV 14/14/14 giant shouldn't be able to teleport behind the enemy) and should have a shiny codex.

? it's true! eldar armies have a ver hard time because they rely on lances and meltas. They should have a shiny new codex. thier one sucks.

**Just Dave**

Yeah, but DS and Living Metal is what makes the Monolith so good. You can't just take it away because a couple of armies struggle with it. For one thing, Eldar have Witchblades and Fire Prisms which are good against it.
Finally, these things are 265pts and best ignored.

But yes, they should have a shiny new Codex.

**wolfshadow**

Back on topic:

Yoinked from the GK rumour thread on Warseer:

there are no more stormtroopers in the codex except for as a inquisitorial henchmen. There is a way to get 2 wound terminators as troops in the codex rocking a 4++ and all basic grey knight troops come with a storm bolter and nemesis force weapon that counds as a power weapon but no bouns to strength and are all psy.

two psy powers they can use

hammerhand- justicar doubbles strength after modifications so is str 10
?- forget the name but test as a squad and then their storm bolters become str 5 for the turn.

they are going to be an elite army but if you run all troops you can get 60+ in a 2000pt list so really not that shabby.

there is ways to move units around for the FOC and other simillar shenanigans

**pratell**

Phill Kelly's prose is not diamonds.

**Happygrunt**

wolfshadow wrote:Back on topic:

Yoinked from the GK rumour thread on Warseer:

there are no more stormtroopers in the codex except for as a inquisitorial henchmen. There is a way to get 2 wound terminators as troops in the codex rocking a 4++ and all basic grey knight troops come with a storm bolter and nemesis force weapon that counds as a power weapon but no bouns to strength and are all psy.

two psy powers they can use

hammerhand- justicar doubbles strength after modifications so is str 10
?- forget the name but test as a squad and then their storm bolters become str 5 for the turn.

they are going to be an elite army but if you run all troops you can get 60+ in a 2000pt list so really not that shabby.

there is ways to move units around for the FOC and other simillar shenanigans

Wait, I thought it was 100% confirmed that we COULD use stormtroopers. Because I have 2 ten man squads I wanted to use...

**Death By Monkeys**

@Happy - one of the rumors is that one of the FOC shenanigans is a character that would let you use ISTs as troops. Whether or not that is 100% confirmed is another matter.

**Footsloggin**

Nothing is EVER set in stone.

I remember someone's Sig:

When GW releases a codex, your current army will not be usable...

**wolfshadow**

According to the latest batch of rumours, INQ stormies are retinue only, but one spec charachter allows retinue as troops, so you may still be ok.

Stickmonkey, who is now under a NDA says some of the newest rumours contradict what he knows but he's under a NDA and cannot comment anymore.

**shrike**

shrike wrote:can anyone sum up so far what the rumors are?
In the few pages i've read I have got:
AP3 psycannons
plastic heros
no allies
T5 W2 FNP 2+/4++ termies
termie troops
halberd upgrade
no radical inq.
HQ that unlocks ISTs
re-rolling Sv
+2S everywhere
valks
stormravens ?
hellhounds
banners in kits ?
chaplain ?
justicar char.
paladin char.
scenery ?
most are psykers
different psychic powers
blast weapons!
PAGK=SM sarge stats
wound daemons on a 2+. ?
PAGK NFW is power weapon but no +2 strength
psychic powers for squads:
storm bolters become str 5 for the turn
justicar doubbles strength after modifications
that's including other GK threads. Those that I missed quote this and add.

**Jaon**

Why is stick monkey under NDA, is he a GW operative?

**wolfshadow**

Jaon wrote:Why is stick monkey under NDA, is he a GW operative?

Probably works for a company that works with GW. Maaybe advertising or something like that.

Someone asked... I'll go check to see if he answered.

**Grey Templar**

i can say that some of these new rumors are contradictory to what i have heard from a reliable 2nd party.

the codex IS written and is just waiting for the official release.

GKs, sadly don't get to re-roll their saves, but can purchase an item that gives the squad a 2+ invuln.

regular PAGKs are 20 points each.

**Ehsteve**

All these rumors seem a bit far fetched to me...rerolls to armour saves or not, 2 wound terminators, 4++ invulnerable saves on all terminators, all gaining force weapons etc.

tweaked assassins, better grandmasters, more variety in the troops (anticipating frag grenades) and a plastic psycannon are all I hope for. A simple fix.

Then again it's most likely to be a complete overhaul, but I like to think small so I won't be disappointed to find out TAGK are still 1 wound or that there will be no chaplains (I do see much evidence for these, but then again if they lose fearless it might come into play).

What will be disappointing is seeing 25pt models still dying to combat resolution in the new codex.

**AlexHolker**

Ehsteve wrote:What will be disappointing is seeing 25pt models still dying to combat resolution in the new codex.

I doubt the Grey Knights will be lumped with the Stupidity/Fearless rule.

**Grey Templar**

Yeah, they will probably gain Stubborn and ATSKNF.

they are older then ATSKNF after all.

if they do gain either the 2+ invuln for the squad or rerollable armor saves then they might tie ork boyz in CC depending on who gets the charge.

GKs also have Stormbolters. Infantry really arn't where GKs have had problems in the past.

**shrike**

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, they will probably gain Stubborn and ATSKNF.

they are older then ATSKNF after all.

if they do gain either the 2+ invuln for the squad or rerollable armor saves then they might tie ork boyz in CC depending on who gets the charge.

GKs also have Stormbolters. Infantry really arn't where GKs have had problems in the past.

I sincerely hope so...
the problems GK have had:
tank armies
hordes

**Grey Templar**

That's funny.

i have never lost to either Greentide or Nidswarm.

Stormbolters for a good 3 turns.

then i charge in with my attacks and Holocaust.

**shrike**

ah. I have heard of many GK players dying to massed swarms. the gaunts are just too good in CC now. 6 point A3 I5 troops?!

**Grundz**

shrike wrote:6 point A3 I5 troops?!

Gaunts aren't 6 points, 3 attacks, and I5 at the same time.

**haroon**

They are only A2 unless you mean on the charge. I am so excited for GK though. They sound really unique which is the most important thing to me in a codex.

**Grey Templar**

shrike wrote:ah. I have heard of many GK players dying to massed swarms. the gaunts are just too good in CC now. 6 point A3 I5 troops?!

they probably arn't deploying as far forward as possable, moving back 6" each turn, firing Stormbolters as they go untill they reach the board edge. then they counter attack.

**Footsloggin**

Kiting... Done it many a time with my GK, it works well, thinning swarms helps a lot.

**shrike**

Grey Templar wrote:i can say that some of these new rumors are contradictory to what i have heard from a reliable 2nd party.

the codex IS written and is just waiting for the official release.

GKs, sadly don't get to re-roll their saves, but can purchase an item that gives the squad a 2+ invuln.

regular PAGKs are 20 points each.

written? good. any news on who wrote it?
*phil phil phil phil...*
2+ invul?! re-roll armour means if you take a wound it's a 1 in 6, 2+ is 1 in 6, but now they can still have that 1 in 6 if they get a basilisk on thier heads? wow. I am definitely gonna get a apoc. force of these.

**Footsloggin**

I'd imagine such an item being 50+ Pts... However, that makes power weapons nigh stupid to use against GK that have it, and makes swarming them with attacks better...

**Happygrunt**

Please tell me we still have stormtroopers. PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEEE!