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 DaveC wrote:
Voss wrote:
Maybe. I'm trying to parse Clone Wars, Rebels and the Mandalorian into the same time line in an attempt to figure out if she's roughly the right age or not. Still mostly think of Ashoka as a kid, to be honest.

Would she (and Sabine, presumably) be back from their search for wossname from Rebels at this point?


I think the biggest hurdle is making Togruta prosthetics that won't look absurd in live action.


Rosario Dawson is 40, Ahsoka is 45 at the time of The Mandalorian so it's a good age fit. The Mandalorian is set in 9 ABY. Ahsoka and Sabine go looking for Ezra shortly after RotJ in 4 ABY so there's a 5 year gap for them to fit in the Rebels sequel series.Sabine Wren was 16 at the start of Rebels in 4 BBY making her around 29 at the time of the Mandalorian.




Normally I'd comment sarcastically that you may not have noticed that she isn't human and cross species lifespans don't line up necessarily... but in this case (at least according to the old RPG stats), they do.

https://swse.fandom.com/wiki/Togruta

Age Groups: Togrutas age at the following stages:
CHILD YOUNG ADULT ADULT MIDDLE AGE OLD VENERABLE
1-11 Years 12-17 Years 18-54 Years 55-74 Years 75-94 Years 95+ Years

   
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yeah I'd read it somewhere before that Togruta and humans have roughly the same lifespan but Togruta force users can live up to 200. I see I posted it 2 pages back.

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thats mostly due to the old myth about force users living longer. I say Myth because TBH there's not a lot of evidance for it in the movies etc. mostly people extrapolating from Yoda's age

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 LunarSol wrote:
Voss wrote:

I think the biggest hurdle is making Togruta prosthetics that won't look absurd in live action.


Shaak Ti looked fine.


Was that a random background CGI Jedi from the prequels? That is very much not the same thing as functional prosthetics for a major or recurring character who's going to directly in front of the camera, talking and interacting with people and things on the physical set.

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Yeah, she was just a random background Jedi in the movies. But she was a fairly important character in a few story arcs in The Clone Wars show. Her position was basically the Jedi liaison to Kamino who oversaw the Clone production.

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More to the point she had multiple alternate talking and death scenes which they cut- but the costume looked great.

   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, she was just a random background Jedi in the movies. But she was a fairly important character in a few story arcs in The Clone Wars show. Her position was basically the Jedi liaison to Kamino who oversaw the Clone production.


Ok, but again, the cartoon version and a live action version are going to look different.
And the Mandolorian so far has largely gone for a down-to-earth aesthetic that a cartoon bunny-girl* race might have problems blending in- what works in a cartoon doesn't really work well in a gritty 'street level' serial.

*yes, I know they aren't rabbits. But bunny girl fits the silhouette and skimpy clothing aesthetic they went with- and like the twi'leks, the females of the species mostly end up as 'exotic dancers' in the video games.

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Meh, I think Togruta's are far less of an issue than many other species we've already seen on screen.

I mean, if these little twits can keep showing up without ruining the setting I think a human with some red+white head protrusions is fine.




Plus Ahsoka was wearing much more sensible clothing during Rebels than she was when she was a padawan. I expect by the time of the Mandalorian she has some not-Jedi robes.

She's not gonna be in her Clone War's Sports bra+Yoga pants outfit.

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The show literally set one of those on fire as a 'member-berry and had the rest caged in the background. That wasn't a 'yay, puppets!' moment. Quite the opposite.


She's not gonna be in her Clone War's Sports bra+Yoga pants outfit.

We'll see. I can totally see them doing a 'make her look sexy' approach to the character.

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That would be a questionable choice for a 45 year old character and would take the show in a weird direction.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
That would be a questionable choice for a 45 year old character and would take the show in a weird direction.


40-somethings can't be sexy? That's just weird and wrong.


As for a weird direction... I have no idea what you mean. This show doesn't have much of a direction. I generally liked it, but the main character mostly meanders, and then suddenly whiplashes wildly between emotionless and wearing his emotions on his sleeve, full on Keystone cops (prison-ship episode), hopelessly pathetic against a space rhino in a mud hole, long silences, the weird Cult of the Helmet, which doesn't mesh at all with recent Mandalorian stuff (which is made particularly weird by bringing on Ashoka, since she was last seen going on an adventure with Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian from actual Mandalore, where no character with a name could wear a helmet for more than five minutes before taking it off).

Its already weird enough with a Force baby that no one recognizes as using the Force, so that they're bringing on an ex-Jedi as a cast member is an inherently weird direction. Plus they've introduced Space Excalibur, which was also featured in Rebels, and they also have to deal with that (which is also tied to Ahsoka's travelling companion and Mandalorian lore in general).

Season 2 could easily end up as a Macguffin chase, or it could meander back towards random bounties until it gets run over by a metaplot. If it isn't inherently weird, I'd be disappointed.


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Well, the Darksaber being around could actually give a good link for Ahsoka to enter the story, rather than just adding a popular character just for the hell of it.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, the Darksaber being around could actually give a good link for Ahsoka to enter the story, rather than just adding a popular character just for the hell of it.


Somewhat. I'd be more confidant about that it the focus was on adding Sabine to the show, since it was her bloody storyline (and personal growth arc). Ashoka was still stuck in her box for that arc, iirc.

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Ahsoka ? Just a little bit excited and I've been a fan of Ms Dawson since that errm hypnotic dance scene in Clerks 2

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Voss wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, the Darksaber being around could actually give a good link for Ahsoka to enter the story, rather than just adding a popular character just for the hell of it.


Somewhat. I'd be more confidant about that it the focus was on adding Sabine to the show, since it was her bloody storyline (and personal growth arc). Ashoka was still stuck in her box for that arc, iirc.


Well, the Darksaber being out could mean Ahsoka is following up on something that happened to Sabine?



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I'm conflicted. I do like Ms. Dawson, but I'm not sure I like that they're going to bypass the person who's embodied/personified Ahsoka from day 1 across multiple shows.
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
That would be a questionable choice for a 45 year old character and would take the show in a weird direction.






Her last two looks. Wouldn’t say it’s gonna be a problem.

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More to the point she had multiple alternate talking and death scenes which they cut- but the costume looked great.


This. Shaak Ti was done in live action and looked great. They just didn't use any of her scenes in the final film. They should have no problem doing it 15 years later.
   
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We’re up to Chapter VI in the U.K.

So nice to see and hear X-Wings back in action!

In terms of what’s happened so far?

Appreciating the variety of locations. A bold move given the additional expense. Sets cost money, so we often see the same ones reused over and over in a first season. Here, most if not all Chapters have had unique sets built.

The Mando himself. Very nice to see someone ultimately competent, but not invincible. There’s times when he gets the poop kicked out of him. Helps humanise the man(do) behind the mask.

Not a huge feeling of an arcing storyline. This is kinda unusual in modern TV shows. Yes The Child is a constant presence (and is far more adorable than animatronics have any right to be), but he’s not really the driving force behind the plot.

Also a decent selection of alien and droid looks.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Voss wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, the Darksaber being around could actually give a good link for Ahsoka to enter the story, rather than just adding a popular character just for the hell of it.


Somewhat. I'd be more confidant about that it the focus was on adding Sabine to the show, since it was her bloody storyline (and personal growth arc). Ashoka was still stuck in her box for that arc, iirc.


Well, the Darksaber being out could mean Ahsoka is following up on something that happened to Sabine?


Sabine gave up the dark saber though, she gave it to Bo-Katan. It evidently had a different owner after her. I think it's fairly obvious Sabine did not want to lead the Mandalorians, so she has no reason to have it other than just happening to come into ownership again by chance.

Ashoka was last know to be with Sabine, looking for Ezra. Interestingly, the rise of skywalker indicates that Ashoka had died by the time of Rise of Skywalker, yet Ezra had not (unless he was omitted by accident, which would be weird as they included Kanan).

Anyway, I believe personally we will see both Ashoka and Sabine together still, that is what is indicated by other rumour sources - unsure if the rumour sources have good evidence but more than one is stating they are still looking to cast someone to be Sabine, or they are keeping it secret who has been cast.

Anyway, I know the dark saber turns up but I am on the UK pace of it, so I'm only up to episode 6, please no spoilers, really enjoying it so far.
   
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I’m wondering if the armourer might turn out to be Sabine?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Appreciating the variety of locations. A bold move given the additional expense. Sets cost money, so we often see the same ones reused over and over in a first season. Here, most if not all Chapters have had unique sets built. .


It’s only the foreground sets that they needed to build - they’ve been using some pretty awesome new screen technology to make virtual environments for the series.

I Cant remember if there is anything spoilery for the last two episodes in this vid about it, so you might want to hold off watching this for a few weeks, but it’s very cool tech:



 
   
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And there are some BRILLIANT models of the mando's ship used as well as cgi stuff.

D+ will be showing a bts series on the mandalorian starting around Star wars day (May the 4th etc etc).

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m wondering if the armourer might turn out to be Sabine?


Interesting theory, the armourer seems very stoic though, rather unlike Sabine... However she would be considerably older by then, you have no idea what has happened to her since we last seen her.

Also it could be cover for some reason, I do find it interesting that all Mandolrians seem to be trying to keep things low key at this point in the timeline, they did seem to be reurging at the end of rebels, something has happened. This may be explored in the later episodes us UK guys have not seen yet though, so please no spoilers if this is the case.
   
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It’s the similar setup to what we know about Maul from Clone Wars, Solo and Rebels, in that specific order.

We know in Clone Wars, he founds the Crimson Dawn ( possibly a renamed Shadow Collective?). Come the events of Solo (9 or so years before Rebels? Ish?) and they’re a serious mover and shaker in the underworld. Rebels? Well, something went wrong for at least Mail, given we find him alone, and partially sane, on Malachor.

Three time stamps, lots for stories to be told in between.

Mandalore?

Well, Clone Wars we have one era, where we see them abandoning pacifism. Rebels? Imperial Collaboration, and civil war. Ends with the promise of a United Mandalore. The Mando? Well, references to The Purge.

What is The Purge? Who actually carried it out? Just The Empire, or did the Civil War get that bad? Are we still seeing fractured Mandalorian society with our protagonists as outcasts, or are they in fact united, but acting in cells?

Two intriguing storylines, both spread out over 3 separate time periods.

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Sabine as the armorer feels cheap. Part of the everyone needs to secretly be someone rather than anyone new. At that point, I'd assume the gatling Mando must be Rex. It's possible, but not particularly exciting.
   
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Season 2 trailer - OK it's a joke trailer never mind - you expect IGN to be a legitimate source.

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 LunarSol wrote:
Sabine as the armorer feels cheap. Part of the everyone needs to secretly be someone rather than anyone new. At that point, I'd assume the gatling Mando must be Rex. It's possible, but not particularly exciting.


Hey man, was just wondering

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 LunarSol wrote:
Sabine as the armorer feels cheap. Part of the everyone needs to secretly be someone rather than anyone new. At that point, I'd assume the gatling Mando must be Rex. It's possible, but not particularly exciting.

And while it's a bit tired, it is a Star Wars thing. I actually went Googling cast lists after watching the last couple of Clone Wars episodes, as one of Bo-Katan's companions, who turned out to be Ursa Wren (Sabine's mother) sounded an awful]i] lot like the Armourer. Which does have me wondering if the Armourer will turn out to be either Sabine or her mother. The Armourer being Sabine [i]would be a potential avenue for introducing Ahsoka.


That being said, the way the Armourer refers to Jedi (IIRC) made it seem like they were something she had heard of but never actually encountered. So I might well be reading too much into ir, and ignoring the fact that Mando helmets distort voices.

 
   
 
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