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That's still less silly than what we got.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
That's still less silly than what we got.


Come on now this is fantasy where dragonriders typically flew with highbacked chairs at least twice the height of an average man. And that was back in the highly serpentine dragon era! They always looked so many kinds of daft to my eye; what dragon can fly straight when its got a massive sail sticking up from its back. Heck the chairs on Magmadroths remain something I dislike too as they look terribly balanced for a beast in war.

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 LunarSol wrote:
Once upon a time it was more important that the peasants fighting for you know who's in charge than it was a real concern that the enemy would have the same knowledge. To that end, its remarkably practical.


At the cost of being unable to storm a settlement if you can't go through doors, put a lot of strain on your neck. Or like, stop you from hitting a tree branch?
It seems remarkably impractical, if one wishes to argue practical usage.


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 Overread wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
That's still less silly than what we got.


Come on now this is fantasy where dragonriders typically flew with highbacked chairs at least twice the height of an average man. And that was back in the highly serpentine dragon era! They always looked so many kinds of daft to my eye; what dragon can fly straight when its got a massive sail sticking up from its back. Heck the chairs on Magmadroths remain something I dislike too as they look terribly balanced for a beast in war.


Yeah, so? That doesn't make the helmet any less dumb, in fact I find the helmet worst that the chair, as the chair still somehow doesn't look as ungainly.
Total War did the dragon chair better anyway.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Once upon a time it was more important that the peasants fighting for you know who's in charge than it was a real concern that the enemy would have the same knowledge. To that end, its remarkably practical.


Its not that, its just...well, how are you going to storm a settlement if you can't go through doors? Wouldn't the weight of that thing also put a lot of strain on your neck?


You don't.... the peasants do it for you.

Also.... apparently not? Real people wore those things in real battles so....
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Once upon a time it was more important that the peasants fighting for you know who's in charge than it was a real concern that the enemy would have the same knowledge. To that end, its remarkably practical.


Its not that, its just...well, how are you going to storm a settlement if you can't go through doors? Wouldn't the weight of that thing also put a lot of strain on your neck?


You don't.... the peasants do it for you.

Also.... apparently not? Real people wore those things in real battles so....


Did they wear one 2 feet tall and apparently made out of a rigid, heavy material that looks really unbalanced?
Also, isn't this guy supposed to be on the front line, leading what are supposed to be professional soldiers? What peasants do you speak of?

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Once upon a time it was more important that the peasants fighting for you know who's in charge than it was a real concern that the enemy would have the same knowledge. To that end, its remarkably practical.


Its not that, its just...well, how are you going to storm a settlement if you can't go through doors? Wouldn't the weight of that thing also put a lot of strain on your neck?


You don't.... the peasants do it for you.

Also.... apparently not? Real people wore those things in real battles so....


Did they wear one 2 feet tall and apparently made out of a rigid, heavy material that looks really unbalanced?
Also, isn't this guy supposed to be on the front line, leading what are supposed to be professional soldiers? What peasants do you speak of?


google.search for Samurai kabuto or samurai helmets. There are examples of helmets near or at least.approaching having Crest ornaments that large.

   
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Carlovonsexron wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Once upon a time it was more important that the peasants fighting for you know who's in charge than it was a real concern that the enemy would have the same knowledge. To that end, its remarkably practical.


Its not that, its just...well, how are you going to storm a settlement if you can't go through doors? Wouldn't the weight of that thing also put a lot of strain on your neck?


You don't.... the peasants do it for you.

Also.... apparently not? Real people wore those things in real battles so....


Did they wear one 2 feet tall and apparently made out of a rigid, heavy material that looks really unbalanced?
Also, isn't this guy supposed to be on the front line, leading what are supposed to be professional soldiers? What peasants do you speak of?


google.search for Samurai kabuto or samurai helmets. There are examples of helmets near or at least.approaching having Crest ornaments that large.


Yeah, I know about them. They can get pretty tall, which would make some actions a little awkward, but they still don't look as unbalanced or even heavy looking. Those elaborate designs tended to be made out of paper mache on a wooden frame, which isn't that heavy.
Its the proportion I find particularly off putting. Like, you have a thin bit at the middle and then you have a thick bit at the top, and along the sides you have all of this stuff sticking out. Way too busy and clunky looking, and it doesn't even look aesthetically appealing. I've seen some elaborate datemono, but nothing like that, not in proportions or just plain ugliness.

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Seriously nitpicking about a slighly bigger helmet in WARHAMMER the setting of absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is just...

Specially in the over the top AOS universe and in a giant bone golem mounted on a horse like bone golem that is like three time the size it should be.

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Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

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some are made of paper.mache, but by no means all. actual anters or horns were popular, and I'm pretty sure the eboshi kabuto were all metal.

   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.


Not really. Elaborate, sure, but not too big or not too dumb. Even Bretonnian Knights, whilst on the more silly side, still had some sort of aesthetic quality to them and weren't too disproportional.
Its like the difference between a feather, and sticking the whole bird on your head. One gives character, the other makes you look like a loon.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
not a fantasy thing.

And Warhammer Fantasy is dead
   
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Like most of the bonereaper range, could have been a really cool mini, but it is mostly ruined by GW pushing the ''theme'' a bit too far.

Have to side with Chtulu spy, man these helmets are ugly and ridiculous

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.


Not really. Elaborate, sure, but not too big or not too dumb. Even Bretonnian Knights, whilst on the more silly side, still had some sort of aesthetic quality to them and weren't too disproportional.
Its like the difference between a feather, and sticking the whole bird on your head. One gives character, the other makes you look like a loon.


The entire Chaos Dwarf army had hats bigger than they were!
   
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 The Phazer wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.


Not really. Elaborate, sure, but not too big or not too dumb. Even Bretonnian Knights, whilst on the more silly side, still had some sort of aesthetic quality to them and weren't too disproportional.
Its like the difference between a feather, and sticking the whole bird on your head. One gives character, the other makes you look like a loon.


The entire Chaos Dwarf army had hats bigger than they were!


Which again, still looked more sensible. Yeah it was big, but at least it actually looked like reasonable headgear and you could tell GW was trying to go for the Babylonian / Mesopotamian theme.
Also, weren't the big hat chaos dwarfs miniatures from the 80s? Everything from back then looked silly and a bit oversized.

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The Bonereapers would look about 10 times better if they just had normal skulls instead of these goofy comic book/80s cartoon faces. Oh and no bone goatees. I wouldn't have a problem with the silly helmets and what not if the models just had decent heads,


 
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Which again, still looked more sensible. Yeah it was big, but at least it actually looked like reasonable headgear and you could tell GW was trying to go for the Babylonian / Mesopotamian theme.
Also, weren't the big hat chaos dwarfs miniatures from the 80s? Everything from back then looked silly and a bit oversized.


Plus, their primary claim to fame is having their line get the axe twice, once from GW and once from FW.
'Bad headgear is Ok because chaos dwarfs did it' is more an invitation to a range-culling rather than a reason to keep producing bad hats.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.


Not really. Elaborate, sure, but not too big or not too dumb. Even Bretonnian Knights, whilst on the more silly side, still had some sort of aesthetic quality to them and weren't too disproportional.
Its like the difference between a feather, and sticking the whole bird on your head. One gives character, the other makes you look like a loon.


Pretty sure the Phoenix Guard champion has a helmet that's as tall as him.

I'd simply leave it at disliking the Ossies' helmet design for aesthetic reasons. Nothing wrong with that. GW has a long history of more or less sensible designs and a variety of different ranges that are meant to appeal to different people. Entering pragmatism into the equation isn't going to achieve anything because people can rightfully point to models designed with a style in mind that eschews pragmatism because they're made for people with that particular taste. Just like you can point to armies and models that took a more sensible approach to their gear without being wrong. It's not going to lead anywhere. GW isn't a niche company that caters to one specific style and if it deviates from it you can legitimately criticize them for that deviation. It's much more like a buffet, really.

 Sabotage! wrote:
The Bonereapers would look about 10 times better if they just had normal skulls instead of these goofy comic book/80s cartoon faces. Oh and no bone goatees. I wouldn't have a problem with the silly helmets and what not if the models just had decent heads,


My thinking as well. Simple skull heads or even formed bone in stylized but still clearly recognizable skull shape (Wayne England style as an example - no idea if that would specifically fit this army) would have been much preferable.

Ossies are probably just GW's scheme to sell each collector of the army a box of replacement skulls.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well yeah. Doesn't mean I can't think its ugly and that removing it would be an improvement.
Absurdly big helmets and pauldrons is a 40k thing, not a fantasy thing. The only big dumb hat I could think of from WHFB was on Nagash's old model.

Then you never looked at the High Elf range, Bretonnian range, Empire range, or Dwarf ranges.

"Big dumb hats" were in quite a few factions.


Not really. Elaborate, sure, but not too big or not too dumb. Even Bretonnian Knights, whilst on the more silly side, still had some sort of aesthetic quality to them and weren't too disproportional.
Its like the difference between a feather, and sticking the whole bird on your head. One gives character, the other makes you look like a loon.


Funny you should say that, as there are Bretonnian models that literally have entire birds on their heads.

Big dumb hats were definitely all over the fantasy range.

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Yeah, but those are old models. Everything looked goofy back then, and they somehow still look less silly than ossiarchs.
The more recent brets were more sensible. Still had stuff on their helmets, but relatively tame compared to before.
Its as if GW really wants to use their improved modeling skills to go back to 80s design philosophy, and it doesn't really work.

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Right behind you.

TLDR: "It's okay when it's something I like, but not when it's something I dislike."

There. We can now move back to talking about actual topical matters.

Do we think Bonereapers will be a month long release when they start dropping, or a big ol' blob? Think we'll see the Mawtribes soon?
   
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Well I’m hoping for Mawtribes soon.
Just to see whether I will want to get it for them to be my army to convert to AoS.

I’d say three weeks though for Ossiarch’s at least
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
TLDR: "It's okay when it's something I like, but not when it's something I dislike."


Indeed. What a weird hill to die on.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we think Bonereapers will be a month long release when they start dropping, or a big ol' blob?


I'm assuming a staggered release as the range is quite extensive and I think they said there is more to be revealed. Wasn't Gloomspite a staggered release? I don't recall it exactly, but I thought it was the Loonking and a few reboxes to start, then more in the later weeks. I could be wrong though.

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I'm estimating 2 waves of the models being released. At least that's my gut feeling on how fast things will come out.

What could throw a spanner in the works is if GW does a duel kit with ogors which could happen.

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 Geifer wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
The Bonereapers would look about 10 times better if they just had normal skulls instead of these goofy comic book/80s cartoon faces. Oh and no bone goatees. I wouldn't have a problem with the silly helmets and what not if the models just had decent heads,


My thinking as well. Simple skull heads or even formed bone in stylized but still clearly recognizable skull shape (Wayne England style as an example - no idea if that would specifically fit this army) would have been much preferable.

Ossies are probably just GW's scheme to sell each collector of the army a box of replacement skulls.


I am actually looking forward to seeing what the community does with the models, I think if someone does go and do some head swaps with some proper skulls (or something similar like a Wayne England style skull) this would be a pretty cool looking army.


 
   
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 Sabotage! wrote:
 Geifer wrote:

I am actually looking forward to seeing what the community does with the models, I think if someone does go and do some head swaps with some proper skulls (or something similar like a Wayne England style skull) this would be a pretty cool looking army.


I'm planning on trying to make the skulls more construct than real skull, aiming to turn the jaw into more of a helmet grill like the photo shop from earlier in this thread, at least on the infantry, I may keep the cavalry and heroes as more 'individual' than the foot sloggers.
   
 
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