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Is there any reason behind the plastic being blue or is it just for people to join super quickly into the game. (hardly any painting needed)

It's just fancy stuff for quick starter stuff.

Just more interesting then more grey plastic. Good for a starter if you don't know what's what.

Now you can face blue and green hordes instead of just gray or bare metal


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 TheWaspinator wrote:
It is kind of dumb that things that can carry a Terminator or Centurion can't carry Primaris.

Probably some tie-in with that new hover tank and other possible new transport kits.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Now you can face blue and green hordes instead of just gray or bare metal


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 TheWaspinator wrote:
It is kind of dumb that things that can carry a Terminator or Centurion can't carry Primaris.

Probably some tie-in with that new hover tank and other possible new transport kits.

thats the intent, it's to sell the new transport. IMHO it's unnesscary as the new transport if it does what I think it'll do, is reasonable points wise, it's going to be VERY popular. a tank busting hover transport, capable of speed striking? if it's 200-250 points it'll proably be worth taking

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think it is dumb that, as of right now, Reivers are only available in 3-man Squads but their minimum squad is 5 Marines. I guess I could get two of them, but I would much rather just wait for a kit that has five already in it, unless the cost is significantly greater than the Easy to Build kit. Same for the Intercessor.

I am ready for them to start rolling out previews for actual Primaris kits, to be honest. I will wait until then. I am afraid the Repulsor is going to be $80+ USD though.

You can get six easy to build Reivers for 24€. I doubt a box of multi part ones will come in under 30€. Based on Sigmarine prices, that's still on the generous side. But who knows?

I do like the separate arms on the easy to build versions. Making a squad of five without duplicates won't be a problem, at least.

But I agree that GW has been drawing out the starter stuff for too long. Might be because the new edition was released in the middle of the month, but it's been a slow couple of weeks with essentially the same release over and over again.

BrianDavion wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Now you can face blue and green hordes instead of just gray or bare metal


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 TheWaspinator wrote:
It is kind of dumb that things that can carry a Terminator or Centurion can't carry Primaris.

Probably some tie-in with that new hover tank and other possible new transport kits.

thats the intent, it's to sell the new transport. IMHO it's unnesscary as the new transport if it does what I think it'll do, is reasonable points wise, it's going to be VERY popular. a tank busting hover transport, capable of speed striking? if it's 200-250 points it'll proably be worth taking

Hopefully its an index only issue. If the codex has the same restrictions and the Repulsor can only transport Primaris, then they might as well be a totally different army.

 Nicky J wrote:
fyi pre-orders are up on NZ site.

reivers heads are indeed separate - can see those parts being sought after.
one thing i didnt really notice when the pics of them were first shown, is that they only have a full shoulder pad on the left arm, which is an... interesting design choice imo. offends my sense of symmetry

Why is it blue? Is this a new thing now?

I really hope that the coloured plastic is not the same kind of hard, brittle plastic like Space Hulk stuff was.

 Crimson wrote:
I really hope that the coloured plastic is not the same kind of hard, brittle plastic like Space Hulk stuff was.

Pardon? I have never seen a 'brittle' plastic sprue in 3rd and 4th edition SH boxed sets They were all made of quality plastic like the multipart kits. Do you have a video or something to show it?

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really hope that the coloured plastic is not the same kind of hard, brittle plastic like Space Hulk stuff was.

Pardon? I have never seen a 'brittle' plastic sprue in 3rd and 4th edition SH boxed sets They were all made of quality plastic like the multipart kits. Do you have a video or something to show it?

It is not super brittle or anything, but it is a bit harder and less flexible than the grey plastic, which also makes a somewhat more brittle. If you have tried to convert SH miniatures, it is fairly obvious that the plastic is harder (and thus annoying to convert.)

If you have access to them, check out the Age of Sigmar boxes from a week or two ago. Those have colored plastics as well, and I'd assume the same mix just with different dyes.

The colored plastic is just because the sprue is packaged in a "get started" paint kit and they assume that the new beginner is a) going to use the supplied paints to paint it up as an Ultramarine and b) not going to prime since the kit as no primer.

So it's just a convenience factor for the new person and meaningless to everyone else who will prime them black or whatever anyway.

It's true, my 3e Space Hulk figures are indeed more brittle. It really only matters where the small decorative bitz are concerned, they are more likely to snap off rather than bend. When dropped onto a surface they also have a higher pitched "rattle".

While these are probably just different colors of the same plastic every other 40k/AoS sprue is, I'm afraid of that deep, dark blue being a real bitch to prime over with a white primer or lighter ArmyPainter color sprays(which I have been converted over to after 15+ years of priming grey) I really pity someone trying to use them for something like Imperial Fists.

I still think the skull faceplates are stupid, but I love the asthetic change with all the gear pouches they already come equipped with. Interesting that they have to cross-draw their pistols (usually always on the right hip on things like Scouts) and knives, though their power plants sure would get in the way of the knives!

 Crimson wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I really hope that the coloured plastic is not the same kind of hard, brittle plastic like Space Hulk stuff was.

Pardon? I have never seen a 'brittle' plastic sprue in 3rd and 4th edition SH boxed sets They were all made of quality plastic like the multipart kits. Do you have a video or something to show it?

It is not super brittle or anything, but it is a bit harder and less flexible than the grey plastic, which also makes a somewhat more brittle. If you have tried to convert SH miniatures, it is fairly obvious that the plastic is harder (and thus annoying to convert.)

I've always found dyed plastics have slightly worse properties, though these days it's not a hell of a lot worse. My 2014 Space Hulk seemed pretty good. The bone coloured skeletons weren't great because they're already skinny and so prone to breaking and the coloured plastic made them even more prone to snapping.

It's like the dyes lower the Young's modulus in the elastic region, which would normally be a good thing, but it also shortens the strain to failure which also makes them more brittle.

The Reivers are an insta-buy for me. Keeping the Skull helmets for Chaplains, LoTD, Death Company etc.

Give these guys some Chaos heads although the Immortan Joe one would work really well, just tattoo the face and

First Red Corsair raiders, they only need some extra bits putting on, everything else is perfect, the skull emblem and no eagle, pouches everywhere for all your pirate needs, one shoulder pad for maximum raiding, plus giant marines next to hordes of pirate cultists waving their boom sticks and shooting flamers riding on top of rhinos and warbuggies. Awww yeah.

Didn't think of that! A Reiver head on one of the boxed set Lieutenants with a kitbashed Crozius (probably from a Space Marine eagle backpack banner-topper bit) and some purity seals would make a great truescale/Primaris Chaplain. Probably another gothic bit sticking off the top of the backpack, too.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think it is dumb that, as of right now, Reivers are only available in 3-man Squads but their minimum squad is 5 Marines.

Wait, we have the rules for them already? Where?

Edit: oh, I see, the squad size for matched play.

We should see their rules early next week. That is when the Captain and Librarian rules hit.

One thing though, Deathwatch finally got Scouts! Sorta!

When did Deathwatch get Scouts?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

When did Deathwatch get Scouts?

Reivers can be Deathwatch as can the two new characters. Which is super weird, considering that they cannot take any other Primaris units...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think it is dumb that, as of right now, Reivers are only available in 3-man Squads but their minimum squad is 5 Marines.

Wait, we have the rules for them already? Where?

Edit: oh, I see, the squad size for matched play.

We should see their rules early next week. That is when the Captain and Librarian rules hit.

One thing though, Deathwatch finally got Scouts! Sorta!

When did Deathwatch get Scouts?

Through the ability to take Reivers. As Crimson said, they can take Reivers, Primaris Captains, and Primaris Librarians. Time will tell what this actually means for them. My initial thought for the HQs was that they could be taken because they had pauldrons that could be changed, but that isn't the case for the Reivers, so who knows.

Yeah the DW position with Primaris units is odd. In the index everyone except DW and GK have access to all the Primaris units in the DI box. But now the DW can use the Captain, Librarian and Reivers just like every other(non GK) SM force. Are all the non GK chapters going to get access to the whole Primaris line when its released? Does this mean a return to variant chapters needing a copy of the SM codex as well as there own? Or will the Primaris units get reprinted in every variant codex?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Yeah the DW position with Primaris units is odd. In the index everyone except DW and GK have access to all the Primaris units in the DI box. But now the DW can use the Captain, Librarian and Reivers just like every other(non GK) SM force. Are all the non GK chapters going to get access to the whole Primaris line when its released? Does this mean a return to variant chapters needing a copy of the SM codex as well as there own? Or will the Primaris units get reprinted in every variant codex?

Wouldn't they just be printed into every codex, just like tactical squads and devistators and assault marines, etc?

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Wouldn't they just be printed into every codex, just like tactical squads and devistators and assault marines, etc?

With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I mean we already have primaris librarians so I would not at all be surprised.

Draigo might get jealous though.

I can't find anyone with the Open War cards for pre-order. Anyone else have any luck?

 adamsouza wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I would. The captain and librarian notably can be taken by Deathwatch, but not by GK.


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

Voss wrote:
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

Yeah, I noticed those issues, too. I like the monopose with interchangeable heads thing that GW's been doing recently, but another head and the right unit size would have both been nice options, and I frankly feel that if they're going to do an illegally small squad and give it no options, that they should have done grunts that would be able to bulk out a unit rather than include a sergeant.

Voss wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With the Primaris not having a separate codex then yeah it looks like everyone is getting a bigger book(except the GK )

With Grey Knights being one of the first 4 new codexes, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Primaris Grey Knights included in it.

I would. The captain and librarian notably can be taken by Deathwatch, but not by GK.


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-2/UH29gsmfkrrtp_Primaris_Marines_Release_02_July_8th.pdf
Incidentally, the points pdf has been updated with Reivers. Who... aren't usable as they're sold (unit size is 5-10), and the EZ build sprues are pretty awful. Bonus negativity for no helmet options for the poor dead sergeants.

They are usable per the Understrength Unit Rules.