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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speculation.

The two Titans added to the range both feature numerous point defence weapons, both Ardex Defensor, and those funky AA carapace weapons.

I’m not at all convinced these are just Rule of Cool. Rather I’m thinking they’re being added with some thought toward Epic?

I think the idea of Epic being a potential future for the models is on the cards design wise; but I don't think its anywhere near on the cards development wise at GW.

That is to say I wouldn't expect Epic until they've started some Chaos/Xenos AT models at the very least.

I think its a good nod to a potential future with GW keeping their options open design wise, but at the same time I don't think they've committed to the idea at all at this stage. I'd love Epic to return, but I'd hate for it to just end up "Horus Heresy" style Marine Vs Marine. Sure that's cheaper for GW, but its again doubling down on a civil war model line that basically lets them make 1 side and count it as both sides.

Considering that Epic is already a niche product I can't see a healthy future if they made it even more niche by leaving out warped chaos and Xenos.

Or they just got the "memo of common sense in big mech design" this time. Modern machine like Imprial Knight or primaris tank and dreadnought often come with anti air weaponry.

Also would be dumb either way if they made a titan vs flyer game and you have to take the only 2 titan that can AA, or Titans with no AA can somehow punch flyers and shot them off.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speculation.

The two Titans added to the range both feature numerous point defence weapons, both Ardex Defensor, and those funky AA carapace weapons.

I’m not at all convinced these are just Rule of Cool. Rather I’m thinking they’re being added with some thought toward Epic?

I believe that the existence of AA weapons suggest that Titans would be used in conjunction with Aeronautica Imperialis not Epic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speculation.

The two Titans added to the range both feature numerous point defence weapons, both Ardex Defensor, and those funky AA carapace weapons.

I’m not at all convinced these are just Rule of Cool. Rather I’m thinking they’re being added with some thought toward Epic?

The Nemesis Warbringer was a thing in 40k for a while before Titanicus, where I assume the AA weapons do have a use, and the Warmaster seems to just be continuing with that design.

I can see aircraft and tanks getting added in eventually, before a full on return of Epic - which, while I'd love it, might not ever happen...

Well we are nearly out of Knights. So I could see super heavy tanks occupying a similar space in the game and model range. But even when Epic(in its various editions) was a supported system, the Titans were always the big draw for me. So I'm more than happy for the gothic mecha train to keep on rolling

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Well we are nearly out of Knights. So I could see super heavy tanks occupying a similar space in the game and model range. But even when Epic(in its various editions) was a supported system, the Titans were always the big draw for me. So I'm more than happy for the gothic mecha train to keep on rolling

Surely they will just switch to corrupted Titans and Knights with maybe some more new Titan variants.

I would quite like to see some epic scale vehicles but would also like to see some Elder Titans

Lol the remaining Knights is enough to drag this game on for another 3 years with this release speed.

Where Titanicus is concerned the AA-Guns might be just be detail and nothing else. Obviously if Epic came back they'd have a role as you have aircraft to shoot at.

On the homebrew front, the most suitable aircraft for AT might be a heavily armed valkyrie vendetta. In hover mode it could move up to 17"( Adjusted from 40K's 20" ), while the Vendetta does offer three twin-lascannon attacks, for which the Acastus already provides rules. If used in normal flight it can go about...38"( 45" in 40K ), which would be too fast for AT, but then again maybe the altitude could play a role here; unlike Aeronautica it could have the danger of crashing into buildings, where pushing the pilots skill could be as much as a risk as a titan pushing its reactors.

While very light in armour compared to even a knight, the Vendetta could have benefits for being hard to hit unless targeted by a rapid fire weapon or an AA-Gun. Where a vendetta could excel at out flanking a titan and cause a lot of mischief, a Questoris with an avenger cannon( or Castigator ) could stand the best chance of hitting it. Suddenly that useless freeblade has a job!

Obviously this would have to go through a lot of trial and error, but it could be fun as an open play rule set.

EDIT: And lets face it, with a Warmaster we have the perfect excuse for a King Kong showdown...

Chopstick wrote:
Lol the remaining Knights is enough to drag this game on for another 3 years with this release speed.

That plus the Rapier scout Titan, probably a Reaver-WH tweener, corrupted Titans and Knights, and probably more Psi-Titans. So yeah, plenty to come. And no one should hold their breath for xenos.

Here's a thought.

As we're getting a Loyalist Legios book, I think it's virtually assured that we'll also be getting a Traitor Legios book as well.

Since they went "big" on the Titan release for this one, might we see the Rapier or another small Titan with the second book?

 schoon wrote:
Here's a thought.

As we're getting a Loyalist Legios book, I think it's virtually assured that we'll also be getting a Traitor Legios book as well.

Since they went "big" on the Titan release for this one, might we see the Rapier or another small Titan with the second book?

It’s outright stated there’s a Traitor Legions book

I’d love another Titan with it, but I’m not sure how likely that is.

I'd say we're about as far away from a new Titan as we are from when the Warbringer was released, and that's maybe a year? I can't remember exactly, but it's a lot longer than would be acceptable to wait for a Traitors book (pretty unfair for the traitor legions for them to wait that long). Just a prediction could be wrong obviously. Also, we won't have endless Knight filler this/next year, so maybe the production of other stuff like new engines will pick up pace.

Pure and wild speculation here, however there is precedence for it.

The Warmasters point defence/smaller weapons aren't really for Titanicus.

Remember that the new models for Titanicus are designed in CAD and thus designed to be a scaled down version of a 40k Titan model (Or to be easily upscaled to 40k, depending on the design process) with only minimal modification. We've seen this with the Warlord and Warbringer.

In theory, it's just a case of design tweaks to the CAD file in terms of details, and make the moulds, it is then ready to be cast as required....

TLDR; The smaller weapons may be for 40k, not AT, Epic etc...

JWBS wrote:
I'd say we're about as far away from a new Titan as we are from when the Warbringer was released, and that's maybe a year? I can't remember exactly, but it's a lot longer than would be acceptable to wait for a Traitors book (pretty unfair for the traitor legions for them to wait that long). Just a prediction could be wrong obviously. Also, we won't have endless Knight filler this/next year, so maybe the production of other stuff like new engines will pick up pace.

In the article from Saturday's preview, they specifically call out the Traitor Legios book as coming later this year.

Now, given COVID, I'd tag anything to do with timeframes as "plans subject to change", but at least they're aiming to get the book out in 2021.

Everyone is preparing themselves for resin forgeworld upgrades for corrupted titans I assume? The modular nature of the kits make me think it'll be done that way, like the Psi Titan (please come back into stock).

Maybe a focus on a certain god with bits for the 3 main titans.

I'd love to see platic sprues, but ultimatley would rather that factory space is taken by another titan body and the bits handled by FW.

 Fraggle wrote:
Everyone is preparing themselves for resin forgeworld upgrades for corrupted titans I assume? The modular nature of the kits make me think it'll be done that way, like the Psi Titan (please come back into stock).

Maybe a focus on a certain god with bits for the 3 main titans.

I'd love to see platic sprues, but ultimatley would rather that factory space is taken by another titan body and the bits handled by FW.

Yeah and they can't come soon enough. The psi titans really need some corrupted titans to square off against.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Here's a thought.

As we're getting a Loyalist Legios book, I think it's virtually assured that we'll also be getting a Traitor Legios book as well.

Since they went "big" on the Titan release for this one, might we see the Rapier or another small Titan with the second book?

It’s outright stated there’s a Traitor Legions book

I’d love another Titan with it, but I’m not sure how likely that is.

We're almost certain to get a new Titan with the "Traitors" book - most likely that naughty small scout titan that ended up going all Slaanesh eventually!

 Alpharius wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Here's a thought.

As we're getting a Loyalist Legios book, I think it's virtually assured that we'll also be getting a Traitor Legios book as well.

Since they went "big" on the Titan release for this one, might we see the Rapier or another small Titan with the second book?

It’s outright stated there’s a Traitor Legions book

I’d love another Titan with it, but I’m not sure how likely that is.

We're almost certain to get a new Titan with the "Traitors" book - most likely that naughty small scout titan that ended up going all Slaanesh eventually!

The rapier would be a lot cooler for the game.

Any titan that isn't specialized in sitting in a corner shooting at things would be welcome.

A dedicated fast melee titan would be nice as well. A good candidate for the between Warhound/Reaver Titan?

I can't help but feel that the Imperium shouldn't get that; at least not until Eldar and Tyranids are out - that's where fast close combat titans should be. Eldar sneaking in fast and lithe and slicing you with a powerblade; Tyranids thundering up and soaking up shots before tearing at you with blades and claws and restraining with tentacles.

Let Imperials be like orks; slower harder punching close combat units. AT least where AT close combat is concerned.

I don't think that's a consideration at the studio. Eldar, Orks, Tyranids etc. aren't going be in this version of the game. Setting is HH, and will be until they get through all the stuff they have planned. Maybe someday they might start a new setting like Beast Arises or something. They've said this publicly.


*IF* the Rapier will be a de-Chaosified version of the old Slaaneshi scout Titans as rumored...they might come with CC ability. I would love that. My opponents perhaps not as much. Wouldn't be surprised if we don't see it for another year at this pace though. And how many transfer sheets are they behind...15?...20?

Also, a while back they mentioned a Kado campaign book at one of the events. We got multiple other campaign books since then, but my bet is that one will be where the corrupted Titans/Knights dam breaks, if you read the old fluff (and imagine some updates).

They could do a mix of plastic kits for corrupted/possessed titans. And not every titan needs to have every god as kits. Say a plastic bane lord that uses the warlord body sprue and a new weapon and armor sprue. A variant of the Rapier to make a slaanesh subjugator. Maybe a warbringer variant with a sorcerers tower in place of the carapace mount?

On the carapace guns of the warmaster, I think the design brief for this titan was to do two things- update the old artwork into a modern mars pattern design, and to make an intermediate between the warlord and imperator.

Looking at the upper works, the void shield strip on the warlord are compressed downwards and a centerline heavy weapon added. A pair of warhound guns are mounted above the arms as secondaries, and a set of armored crenelations with battle cannons and aa are mounted to the sides and top. The emperor goes full fortress atop, with point defense battle cannons and some earthshakers on the sides, a massive centerline gun, a defense laser tower, and the more warhound scale guns on towers for wider coverage. Instead of just point defense guns, the shins bulk out and add troops to bring infantry defenders along with it.

 zedmeister wrote:
A dedicated fast melee titan would be nice as well. A good candidate for the between Warhound/Reaver Titan?

The Nightgaunt would be a good candidate for that, in the original AT game it still used a Warlord model, but it was faster than an average Warlord, only had 4 void shields, had no carapace weapons and was armed with close combat\close assault weapons. So could easily be updated to be a different class as has been done for some of the other patterns of Warlord from AT.

Hh great crusade era, they could introduce some eldar titans they did fight against chaos.

JWBS wrote:

There's been extensive discussion in this thread. Castellan + fortifications on the back has been accepted as a decent size up until now.

Well if it's 66% bigger than warlord model then that's accurate. If not it's not to scale and will be off whenever real one comes up.

It's 66% bigger than warlord model if you want to be true scale

I would think that the WL Psi-Titan shows the path forward for corrupted engines...i.e. hybrid kits. They can probably get more done that way than by waiting for plastic manufacturing capacity. And I think the Banelord would be the obvious first choice as a counterpoint to the Psi-Titan.

But who knows?

 Alpharius wrote:


We're almost certain to get a new Titan with the "Traitors" book - most likely that naughty small scout titan that ended up going all Slaanesh eventually!

Now they've announced a new plastic titan, GW might then release a new knight to coincide with the traitor book.

That said a small resin titan wouldn't be a problem for FW on the side, as they did bang out those mechanicum knights very close together...


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 Crablezworth wrote:


The rapier would be a lot cooler for the game.

To be honest we haven't got a clue what the rapier is beyond being a scout titan for us to be excited about it. It could be wearing giant clown shoes for all we know....

I'm personally expecing the BELICOSA warbringer to be coming alongside the traitors compendium. Only 1 new sprue, digital assets already exist for the full scale one.