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chaos0xomega wrote:
I wonder what the venn diagram of people who love the skull are manse vs people who hate TWW Kislev looks like. It would either reveal a lot of hypocrisy or indicate a rigid segmentation amongst the community

An interesting thought indeed

What’s wrong with Kislev?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s wrong with Kislev?

Some people feel the TW3 Kislev army is too bear focused and too magical - IMO its very much based on the actual long time lore especially the Ice Witches.

Ahhh,

Well, sorry to ruin the venn but I like both!

Wait. Did I actually improve the venn?

I like both too, not really the point though. It's more a question of do low-fantasy kislev fans like the manse or not

Well. I guess in summary?

Anyone who attempts to harsh your mellow by confusing opinion for fact is *many, many words not allowed on Dakka, and even Fitbin, the rudest word know to man, so rude its definition was sealed in a 20’ concrete cube and dumped in the North Sea.

Technically not Fantasy/Old World, but I'd love to see them re-release the Chaos Dreadhold as a Chaos tower/fortress centerpiece. It was a early AOS release I believe, with lots of various wall sections and towers and boxset to make all kind of fortifications, but I'd settle for one box, with a big vote for the Overlord Bastion as the single boxset if it came to that (a great standalone piece on its own).

Never got any of them because I wasn't jumping into AoS at the time of release and the interest in Fantasy died down tremendously with my gaming group, so there was real no incentive to pick it up. Now though I'd love a few parts to have some really flavourful Chaos piece on the table!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*gassssssssssp*

Hush your collective gums!

Despite a dodgy batch of plastic glue* knackering my Skullvand Manse? There is no more Warhammer Warhammer Scenery.

It is peak Warhammer. Therefore my opinion am fact and thus you are wrong.

*also wrecked a bunch of Necrons. Instead of doing its job, it sort of crystallised, but also penetrated the plastic and so went deep. I was less happy than a very unhappy thing indeed.

It would look fine teetering on the edge of a storm-wracked cliff, but not in the middle of a WFB table, IMHO.

Well if it looks weird on a typical WHFB table.... Then that's because someone hasn't properly finished that table.

the best part of the Skullvand Manse is that you can leave the skulls aside and make it a normal building

if it would be cheap, I would use 2 with a complete bridge between and the astronomer tower as its own building

ccs wrote:
Well if it looks weird on a typical WHFB table.... Then that's because someone hasn't properly finished that table.

It's just too tall. There's blocking line of sight for units, and then there's blocking line of sight for the players.

I dislike the Skullvane Manse and the other scenery themed the same way. Even the Citadel Wood has too many skulls on it.

I don't mind the watchtowers and chapels and so on, they're a bit cartoony but overall don't look silly too me.

The Skullvane Manse is a bit too over the top for me. But I think there's room for it in the Warhammer World, and it does look like some Blanche artwork too. So you could imagine it as part of an over the top Blanche style fantasy world, which is a pretty valid way to imagine the Warhammer World of course!

But I prefer a more low-key visual style for my version, and that also extends to preferring the historical style for the miniatures. I didn't like the Demigryph cavalry much either, and I'm not particularly interested in bear cavalry or sleds riding magical ice roads.

But that's why I'm mostly doing Middle Earth stuff now. That's the aesthetic I really like - much more Dark Ages than the Warhammer World, no gunpowder weapons, no plate armour, mail and shieldwalls rule the day.

 Skywave wrote:
Technically not Fantasy/Old World, but I'd love to see them re-release the Chaos Dreadhold as a Chaos tower/fortress centerpiece. It was a early AOS release I believe, with lots of various wall sections and towers and boxset to make all kind of fortifications, but I'd settle for one box, with a big vote for the Overlord Bastion as the single boxset if it came to that (a great standalone piece on its own).

Never got any of them because I wasn't jumping into AoS at the time of release and the interest in Fantasy died down tremendously with my gaming group, so there was real no incentive to pick it up. Now though I'd love a few parts to have some really flavourful Chaos piece on the table!

A friend of mine assembled a (rage-inducing, as best as I remember) tower and wall of the Chaos fortress for the local store after AoS was released. It was one of those dreadful Chinese casts and wouldn't fit without copious amounts of putty, and of course the plastic wouldn't take plastic cement and required superglue or similar to assemble. And the price GW set was hilarious.

Not sure it's something we should wish to return in the form it was sold back then. Maybe as a remaster cast by GW themselves.

It would end up as an AoS release though, what with GW's mortal, albeit inconsistent fear of cross game model lines. Wouldn't make a difference to the customers, of course, but I don't think GW is currently interested in doing much with terrain in AoS. Or 40k for that matter. Seems like non-mainline games are the ones that get most of the terrain love.

 Da Boss wrote:
... too many skulls...

This phrase is ungrammatical. Please don't mistreat the English language like that.

 Geifer wrote:

 Skywave wrote:
Technically not Fantasy/Old World, but I'd love to see them re-release the Chaos Dreadhold as a Chaos tower/fortress centerpiece. It was a early AOS release I believe, with lots of various wall sections and towers and boxset to make all kind of fortifications, but I'd settle for one box, with a big vote for the Overlord Bastion as the single boxset if it came to that (a great standalone piece on its own).

Never got any of them because I wasn't jumping into AoS at the time of release and the interest in Fantasy died down tremendously with my gaming group, so there was real no incentive to pick it up. Now though I'd love a few parts to have some really flavourful Chaos piece on the table!

A friend of mine assembled a (rage-inducing, as best as I remember) tower and wall of the Chaos fortress for the local store after AoS was released. It was one of those dreadful Chinese casts and wouldn't fit without copious amounts of putty, and of course the plastic wouldn't take plastic cement and required superglue or similar to assemble. And the price GW set was hilarious.
.

Apparently the assembly difficulty was exacerbated by the thing being covered in sharp spikes that literally extracted a tribute to Khorne whilst trying to stop the thing falling apart as the glue set...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well if it looks weird on a typical WHFB table.... Then that's because someone hasn't properly finished that table.

It's just too tall. There's blocking line of sight for units, and then there's blocking line of sight for the players.

This non-problem is easily solved by simply taking a few steps as need be....

I just want a Skullvane Manse to turn into a 40k defense laser, because honestly is that any less plausible a use of it?

chaos0xomega wrote:
I like both too, not really the point though. It's more a question of do low-fantasy kislev fans like the manse or not

NuKislev is guff and the manse is excellent. Is this one of these things where you think you have some really clever gotcha when really you've just failed to understand other people's reasoning? Because the problem people have with NuKislev is not that it has fantasy stuff in it, it's the *quantity and concentration* of fantasy stuff and the laziness of the theming. The setting has crazy fantasy stuff in it, there's a whole mountain that looks like a skull, probably Because Magic, but until every Imperial cottage is a thatched skull, all the State Troops units wear skull face helmets with skull breastplates, and they introduce Empire Chariots that comprise a levitating giant skull pulled by two slightly smaller levitating giant skulls as a mainstream part of the Empire's armies, pretending one whacky building kit that's specifically meant to represent an outlier is equivalent to the bear-bear-ice-beary-icebears of NuKislev - and this somehow makes people who dislike the latter hypocrites - is just transparently disingenuous.

ccs wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well if it looks weird on a typical WHFB table.... Then that's because someone hasn't properly finished that table.

It's just too tall. There's blocking line of sight for units, and then there's blocking line of sight for the players.

This non-problem is easily solved by simply taking a few steps as need be....

I didn't get into wargaming to start having to EXERCISE!!!

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I like both too, not really the point though. It's more a question of do low-fantasy kislev fans like the manse or not

NuKislev is guff and the manse is excellent. Is this one of these things where you think you have some really clever gotcha when really you've just failed to understand other people's reasoning? Because the problem people have with NuKislev is not that it has fantasy stuff in it, it's the *quantity and concentration* of fantasy stuff and the laziness of the theming. The setting has crazy fantasy stuff in it, there's a whole mountain that looks like a skull, probably Because Magic, but until every Imperial cottage is a thatched skull, all the State Troops units wear skull face helmets with skull breastplates, and they introduce Empire Chariots that comprise a levitating giant skull pulled by two slightly smaller levitating giant skulls as a mainstream part of the Empire's armies, pretending one whacky building kit that's specifically meant to represent an outlier is equivalent to the bear-bear-ice-beary-icebears of NuKislev - and this somehow makes people who dislike the latter hypocrites - is just transparently disingenuous.

if anything is disingenuous, it's trying to extrapolate "there are bears and ice witches" to the extreme you're insisting on. WHF was always a high fantasy setting, because that's where the demons, orcs, dragons, halflings, monty python references riding pegasi, atlantis elves, and lizards riding lizards all come from. are humans riding bears really that much more absurd than lizards riding lizards?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


if anything is disingenuous, it's trying to extrapolate "there are bears and ice witches" to the extreme you're insisting on. WHF was always a high fantasy setting, because that's where the demons, orcs, dragons, halflings, monty python references riding pegasi, atlantis elves, and lizards riding lizards all come from. are humans riding bears really that much more absurd than lizards riding lizards?

And speaking about scenery(ish) I just remembered the Storm of Magic expansion with those weird proto endless spells you could use to raise the wizard to a secure place of power.
I dont see how they would fit those in the setting of TOW, but the ones I bought I cut up for other projects, so I would not mind seeing those on sale again.

Storm of Magic was nifty. But you really had to find players who were ready to lean into the “mad wizards drunk on power” aesthetic. I found far too many “historical wahammer” types who thought the whole thing was an abomination and, worse, wanted to loudly share that opinion with anyone that looked like they might be using more than two dice on a spell.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

ccs wrote:
Well if it looks weird on a typical WHFB table.... Then that's because someone hasn't properly finished that table.

It's just too tall. There's blocking line of sight for units, and then there's blocking line of sight for the players.

This non-problem is easily solved by simply taking a few steps as need be....

I didn't get into wargaming to start having to EXERCISE!!!

If you're too lazy to walk about the table.... Then you deserve to not see what's hiding behind the terrain & thus any losses you'll suffer are your own fault.

Really tall terrain completely changes the gameplay experience, and not really even mechanically, just the visual experience.

Last week I watched a pair of Middle Earth players using store scenery that been made to represent redwoods. A table full of about 8-10 giant 4" diameter tree trunks made from paper mache that rose almost two feet off of the table before ending at a flat top that represented the tree continuing on.

We've also played Battletech Alpha Strike games there that used lots of open space, but we like to use terrain representing rocky cliffs that were between 8" and 1.5 feet tall that mechs have to wind their way amongst, because they are too tall to be functionally cross-able.

I feel like lots of rank n' flank gamers commonly play on mostly clear green soccer fields speckled with a rock outcropping or two (or a single hill) and maybe a couple of 6" diameter forests.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Really tall terrain completely changes the gameplay experience, and not really even mechanically, just the visual experience.

Last week I watched a pair of Middle Earth players using store scenery that been made to represent redwoods. A table full of about 8-10 giant 4" diameter tree trunks made from paper mache that rose almost two feet off of the table before ending at a flat top that represented the tree continuing on.

We've also played Battletech Alpha Strike games there that used lots of open space, but we like to use terrain representing rocky cliffs that were between 8" and 1.5 feet tall that mechs have to wind their way amongst, because they are too tall to be functionally cross-able.

I feel like lots of rank n' flank gamers commonly play on mostly clear green soccer fields speckled with a rock outcropping or two (or a single hill) and maybe a couple of 6 diameter forests.

I think historically, such battles generally were fought on open fields, especially if cavalry was involved.

The last batch of made to order Dwarfs are coming next weekend, as well as the pre-order of the Warriors of Chaos!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/25/sunday-preview-machines-wage-civil-war-on-mars-and-chaos-hordes-descend-from-the-north/

Can’t wait for Warriors!!!

Dragon Ogre Shaggoth is listed as returning in plastic?

It's an error, it's coming in resin. A typo from the WarCom team.
It was confirmed as resin in the almanack preview.

Looking forward to the Nova preview now, wonder what will be next on the cards.

I hope the NOVA preview has models and isn’t just a roadmap presentation

Have the prices for the MTO dwarfs dropped yet?

I don't know, we generally know which factions are next. Showing off brand new models rather than just returning would be cool of course, but more than anything I would love to see a roadmap that lets us know what they have planned for The Old World besides Arcane Journals.

Gimmie some kind of narrative book.