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Oh well, reading the info about the quotes was enlightening, but like others their past timeline just makes no sense. And though we generally despised the first manufacturer, you have to wonder what happened to them.

It does sound like Scott is actually trying to light a fire under their butts, or at least has the tenacity to try. But it sounds like he's doing it through gritted teeth, uphill - both ways.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Amazing .. more words... still no proof.. we don't even know if Scott is real or just an alter ego of Kevin..

But he was answering questions.. but the one most people is asking he didn't.. How to get a refund...

Sue Palladium Games, that's how.

I posted this up:

"● Pre-production (going over figurine files, making molds, etc.) = 5-6 weeks. "

Lolwut? Have you not actually counted up the number of sprues that are needed? You won't get properly tooled dies in that time.

To reiterate: THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN HAVE THIS ALL DONE BY THE END OF 2017.

Not a diss, simple fact.

Stop messing around with multiple brokers / manufacturing quotes and just use a confirmed, reliable manufacturer that can actually handle the majority of the conversion work you'll need doing in-house:

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/Home.html

I worked with these guys' stuff in preproduction phases and it's decent. They even have sliding core methods available which would help massively in reducing part count and seam location and they've got a solid US presence. By far the best 'all in one' solution, and they've handled everything from titan-size mech kits (widely reknowned as beautiful models) to small scale infantry.

That's about the only helpful thing I feel inclined to share. Your 'update' uses a lot of words to say precisely nothing we didn't already know. It is bad, and you should feel bad. It's politician speak, greasy and unpleasant.

The ONLY reason to continue with this current 'seeking quotes' bollocks is because you haven't got enough money to do the job properly, so you're trying to half-ass it. PB tried that before and it backfired massively. You're doing the same again. Seen it before, it's a shell game and we're all quite tired of the bs.

So, answer this:

Where's the Money, Scott?

How much Wave 1 stock is PB sitting on right now?
How much liquid capital is left in the kickstarter account?

Remember, collectively we pumped WELL OVER $1.4m into this shitshow. We deserve some answers as to where that money went, because it's obviously not going to get Wave 2 done any time soon.

GabrielV wrote:
So the short version is they're still getting quotes, and getting quotes takes time. If only they had been able to work on that the past several years.

The Force Org Charts can't be posted yet because no one has looked over them. If only there had been more time.

And can't post the renders. There just wasn't enough time. If only there had been some time in the past several years, but everything was so busy.

These are all very good points, and really do need to be addressed.

Just what the hell *has* been done in all of this time?!?

Anyone else want to guess what stupid stipulations PB have had in the terms for their quotes?
"Must make mouths water"
"Must cause Alex to say the miniatures redefine the genre even though he isn't a fan of the miniatures genre"
"In the event of Kevin having to redo your work as it does not meet Palladium Books high standards, you will not be paid"

Alpharius wrote:Just what the hell *has* been done in all of this time?!?

I am sure he is busy with pedicure and manicures, I heard Kevin loves a good foot massage.

Joyboozer wrote: "In the event of Kevin having to redo your work as it does not meet Palladium Books high standards, you will not be paid"

High standards or Kevin standards.. there is a big difference between the two.. even crazy homeless people have options and high standards..
like everyone should wear aluminium foil on their heads so the government can't read their mind.

RTT is become a joke...so I guess I can only make jokes also..

I have to keep reminding myself that the new "communication" having some measure of punctuality is nothing to be grateful for: it is pointless when the "information" is not helpful and insipid.

I guess it is hard to let it go when you know you are being lied to at worst, or they are being evasive at the bare minimum.

Holding my money with no recompense makes me wish I could invoke loan-shark methods of collection. I am sure they knee'd the money, but broken promises are not the way to go about it.

And now someone is calling for citizens arrest..... Just.....wow. Lol.

Where is that happening?

I really think Unca Kev's real fault is that he saw the $1.44M as a vote of confidence in PALLADIUM and not a confidence in Ninja Division and nostalgia for Robotech. Kevster saw the money as Palladium money and NOT exclusively Robotech money and spent it like it was his to do with as he pleased because the money was raised because people love him and his company, not the project itself.
I think if he were called to count for the funds he would totally not see spending Robotech money on Palladium RPG toilet paper as a misappropriation of funds. The money was given to Palladium after all for Kevin to do with as he saw fit. He unfortunately saw fit to squander it incorrectly and is now caught lying his pants off because the Palladium bank account statement shows insufficient funds to even court a new manufacturer. Now he's caught in a tail chasing situation of trying to raise funds to pay back the Robotech project but he's damaged his reputation so badly that no one is buying the stuff he's trying to sell to raise capitol back to infuse into Robotech.

It's all speculation on my part, of course. This just seems to be the financial framing that Unca Kevster wants to keep quiet because it will be the dominant footprint Palladium will leave in gaming history. How I misspent $1.44M and ruined my company. Not quite the legacy Kevster was hoping for in his old age.

 Alpharius wrote:
Where is that happening?

The RRT Kickstarter comments, which have been a bit dumber than usual.

Not that it was a high bar to start with (I mean, I've been there for years), but the salt is flowing freely.

 Forar wrote:
Not that it was a high bar to start with (I mean, I've been there for years), but the salt is flowing freely.

Just another day in the salt mine?
Yes, I think the honeymoon is over with the new guy.

 jaymz wrote:
And now someone is calling for citizens arrest..... Just.....wow. Lol.

WAT?

James Edwards wrote:Are there any backers in Michigan that would be willing to go to PB's office and execute a Citizens Arrest against Kevin, Wayne and Scotty for fraud?
Citizens arrests are actually legal in Mi :-)
As much as I'd love to do it myself I'm not able to take enough time off of work to get there myself :-(

You can not make this stuff up!

Well.....

"Most states have codified the common law rule that a warrantless arrest may be made by a private person for a felony, misdemeanor or "breach of peace".[1] A breach of peace covers a multitude of crimes in which the Supreme Court has even included a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. The term historically included theft, "nightwalking", prostitution and playing card and dice games."


What about MAKING dice and card games? Maybe we could get Unca Kevster for making games of ill repute. Nightwalking is close to "Nightbane" so there's another possibility.

"Freeze, Unca Kevvy! You're under citizen's arrest for Nightbaning and failing to EVER Mechanoid in Space!"

Not much, but it's up there.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/231476/robotech-attack-sdf-1

Well, as I've said, it's unlikely for a penny of my money to ever go to HG.

But so far this company has done a much better job than Totally-Not-Palladium-Books-Rogue-Heroes.

Merijeek wrote:
Well, as I've said, it's unlikely for a penny of my money to ever go to HG.

But so far this company has done a much better job than Totally-Not-Palladium-Books-Rogue-Heroes.

except for putting Minmei on the cover, only thing worse would be putting a sound chip inside the box to play that stupid song on the shelf

There was this thing in my daughter's class where all the kids (due to some being obsessed with cats) would start meowing whenever the teacher's back was turned. Really pissed her off.

So for a gift we got her the "Exploding Kittens" that would meow whenever the box opened.

I'm thinking similar concept...

So, the latest PBWU is up, and as per the recent "restructuring", it'll be the Kickstarter Updates that are going to be the primary source of information. That it only took them several years to figure this out, is progress of a sort, I guess.

The Update starts with "The last few weeks have been a blur. Heck, who am I kidding? The first half of this year has been a blur. So much going on. A lot of it very good and the rest very promising." Yeah, there's a reason the first half of the year has been a blur. Because you've approached your work ethic like a drunk on a three day bender.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Information Consolidation

Since Scott Gibbons has taken over communications for Robotech® RPG Tactics Wave 2 and he has instituted a bi-weekly update on the Kickstarter page, he has requested that we consolidate the way we get information to the RRT backers. We’ll be doing that mainly on the Kickstarter page, and post about RRT and Wave 2 here when we feel it is appropriate, such as letting you know when manufacturing has begun, new product releases, upcoming game events involving RRT (there are several at Gen Con), tournaments, organized play, etc.

Yeah, because you don't want Scott spoiling your big news where you get to pat yourself on the back, do you, ya frikking donkey cave cretin.

It's been a while, so let's check in on what PB have produced.... <operation timed out>. Yup. Still nothing since last November. Dakka's search function isn't working, so I can't easily find my last one of these. Through Google I found one from early June.

HOH Arsenal, Disavowed, Garden of the Gods and Sovietski have remained static as "Summer".
Atlanteans has gone from June/July, to August. Guess they needed SOMETHING for GenCon.
Dark Designs has gone from July 15th (a specific date!) to August. Still pimping RAW.
Face of Death still listed as Summer/Fall.
And Living Nowhere went from an 8 week project (first announced June 9th, due July) to August after Dark Designs is done. The manuscript got turned in last week (so why was a release date mentioned?), and given Kevin's history, he'll have to rewrite huge chunks of it so he can add his name to the credits.

With three books listed for August and four more listed for Summer (September 22nd), anyone want to take the over on more than 1 book before end of Summer? I really want some easy money.

And in what's arguably a phyrric win, one of the two official Robotech Tactics tourneys for GenCon has hit minimum attendance levels at FOUR people! Woo! Glad to see there's such strong support and demand for RRT. Feel sorry for the TO that uptake isn't there, but he should have expected it given during the time when there was any hype, they didn't get much in the way of participation. And I still think that not having an active participant (whether it be an employee or a dedicated fan friend) who gives a rat's arse about the game, is one of it's biggest issues. Go to any other gaming community, and you'll find an employee or employee-approved friend participating in conversation. But noone at PB and noone they approve of, seem to be interested. So why should anyone else?

When the company that is selling the product cannot be bothered to give an effort and periodically falls on hard times financially and tends to communicate in a paternal tone, how long can they go until it is no fun for even the most dedicated and "abused" fan-friends?

"Criminally" lazy behavior: full-stop.

I have said it before, these are incredibly good times for gaming. There is so much good product out there, it is surprising to me that RRT is noticed at all. 40k, X-wing, Armada, Bolt Action and Battletech/Alpha has pretty much buried the game for me. There are hordes more good games out there (Malifaux I have some stuff...) that I cannot begin to play since you have to stop somewhere.

I should not be too concerned.
Kevin has made it clear that role-play is where it is at, so RRT is a mere distraction from a real man's game. I am sure their revenue reflects that.

Xwing
Armada
Attack Wing
40k
Battletech classic/alpha strike
Flames of War
Team Yankee
Hero Clix


What is the ro-bo-tech you speak of.......?

Who's the resident IP/Trademark expert in here?

I know one of my fellow nerds in here is, just not which one.

 Talizvar wrote:
Kevin has made it clear that role-play is where it is at, so RRT is a mere distraction from a real man's game. I am sure their revenue reflects that.

Oi. I'm a roleplayer at heart, even more than a minis gamer (hell, I work translating RPGs)... please, don't stick all of us in the same category as Kevin Siembieda .

Well it look like SMG who is doing Robotech board game got their act together and it not a KS . It will out mid 2018. Now will PB get Wave 2 out before the Board game. I think not Scott string us long time with professional talk which we all know is BULL CRAP. What the hell I think HG needs to drop PB after 2nd Q 2018 if Wave 2 is not in production at the beginning of 2018.

DEZOAT wrote:
Well it look like SMG who is doing Robotech board game got their act together and it not a KS . It will out mid 2018. Now will PB get Wave 2 out before the Board game. I think not Scott string us long time with professional talk which we all know is BULL CRAP. What the hell I think HG needs to drop PB after 2nd Q 2018 if Wave 2 is not in production at the beginning of 2018.

I think SMG realize that any link to RTT will automatically sink your kick starter.

Even if HG dropped PB and Kevin was forced to say what happened to the million dollars, He would drag his feet like he is already doing and would never see a real answer..
As the moderators of the rifts games said, they talk to their lawyers a lot so they know the limits they can get away with ... And Kevin is sitting comfortably in a kick-starter loop hole..

Maybe the Department of Justice needs to give Scott a call..maybe that would grease the wheels a little..

Moreover, Studio Nue needs to drop HG. Kill the snake at the head, so to speak. HG's antics have been part of why we can't the rest of Macross and the like outside of Japan. I really feel if HG (& PB) were out of the way, we could really get some quality products (and maybe new animation) that would breathe life back into the old girl.

Have you guys seen that HG is now suing Piranha games, Hairbrained Schemes, and Catalyst Game Labs for copyright infringement ? Same old unseen lawsuit but amped up.

The implications are rather interesting considering the crossover business between RRT and Battletech.

Swabby, I noticed that. HG needs to drop palladium while their at it.

Anyhow, for the hell of it I sent this over to scooter:

Dear Palladium Books,

I respectfully request a refund on my undelivered portion of my pledge(wave 2 items). I feel this project has failed to move forward. Of the m,any updates since wave 1 only 2 of them showed any forward progress. All of the other updates over the last 2 1/2 YEARS can be boiled down to "sorry but we'll have news soon", "working on reducing parts count", and what seems to be the favorite to use "getting quotes". I find this unacceptable and want a refund for the undelivered portion.

John Null

I bet I don't get a reply. I all ready know a refund will be flatly denied. I'll post up their reply for the fun of it when i get it.

 Swabby wrote:
Have you guys seen that HG is now suing Piranha games, Hairbrained Schemes, and Catalyst Game Labs for copyright infringement ? Same old unseen lawsuit but amped up.

The implications are rather interesting considering the crossover business between RRT and Battletech.

Really? Link?

I find it hard to believe that after the previous go around, that Catalyst and friends wouldn't make sure the crossed every I and dotted every T before introducing the ReSeen.

As long as the did their due diligence, just gives me.more reason to despise Harmony Gold. But I also concede that sometimes, people feth up. But the exact same IP issue that screwed FASA? That'd be a monumentally stupid decision.

Like I thought, standard copy/paste:

Hi John,

Unfortunately, Palladium Books is not offering
any refunds as Palladium has successfully
fulfilled shipping Wave One rewards and is
working to continue developing and then shipping
the Wave Two rewards once they are completed.

RRT Support Team
Palladium Books

It was surprising to get the reply same day.