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 Tyran wrote:
I don't have any problem with the model. It is a big balloon and that makes sense.

Its got tentacles that stick out every which way and catch on other models and terrain pieces. Just like the Toxicrine, it might look interesting, but it makes it difficult to use in game. I remodeled mine without the Tentacles after breaking a bunch of them off and knocking my Crone off its flightstand 4 or 5 times.


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I'm doing a little happy dance with the new Knight rules leaks. It looks like all Knights are LOW as they should have always been which means the game is somewhat restored to scalability, and the age of Mech takes another hit. Necron mech fades, then Eldar Mech, now IKnights probably getting limited to 0-1 at most events or outright banned. It changes the dynamics for Tyranids quite a bit.

Eldar Tactica Part II completed on p. 319. Enjoy!

tag8833 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
I don't have any problem with the model. It is a big balloon and that makes sense.

Its got tentacles that stick out every which way and catch on other models and terrain pieces. Just like the Toxicrine, it might look interesting, but it makes it difficult to use in game. I remodeled mine without the Tentacles after breaking a bunch of them off and knocking my Crone off its flightstand 4 or 5 times.


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I'm doing a little happy dance with the new Knight rules leaks. It looks like all Knights are LOW as they should have always been which means the game is somewhat restored to scalability, and the age of Mech takes another hit. Necron mech fades, then Eldar Mech, now IKnights probably getting limited to 0-1 at most events or outright banned. It changes the dynamics for Tyranids quite a bit.

There is still the new detachments and formations - I'm pretty sure AdLance will be a thing still...hoping I'm wrong though

Cheers jy2, will flick through at some point today, v. important election going on

0-1 LoW stops AdLance in its tracks.

 N.I.B. wrote:
0-1 LoW stops AdLance in its tracks.

Knights will be made an exception for sure so i wouldnt get too giddy!

 Frozocrone wrote:

Cheers jy2, will flick through at some point today, v. important election going on

Awesome! Let me know what you think.




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 Wilson wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
0-1 LoW stops AdLance in its tracks.

Knights will be made an exception for sure so i wouldnt get too giddy!

At this point, isn't it mainly still rumours?

We'll know for sure soon enough.

 N.I.B. wrote:
0-1 LoW stops AdLance in its tracks.

I believe Knights aren't LoW.

If I recall correctly, they are considered Super Heavies, not LoW. Some tournaments (mostly my FLGS) ban Super Heavies which in-turn ban most LoW's.

Personally, I don't see the issue with IK armies. They seem perfectly fine in most metas. It's just another RPS army list that you have to outplay.

Pics of the new knights have already leaked. They are all now LOW

 Wilson wrote:
Pics of the new knights have already leaked. They are all now LOW

Well, in that case, I say goodbye and good riddance to Adlance in tournament play.

I really don't like this trend of building an army of Lord of Wars. In that case, what they should do for bugs in our next codex is to change the Trygon back into a T7-8 Gargantuan like he used to be. Oh, maybe make the dimachaeron a Gargantuan who can move 12" as well! Why not? That seems to be the trend (taking multiple LoW's in a detachment).

 jy2 wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Pics of the new knights have already leaked. They are all now LOW

Well, in that case, I say goodbye and good riddance to Adlance in tournament play.

I really don't like this trend of building an army of Lord of Wars. In that case, what they should do for bugs in our next codex is to change the Trygon back into a T7-8 Gargantuan like he used to be. Oh, maybe make the dimachaeron a Gargantuan who can move 12" as well! Why not? That seems to be the trend (taking multiple LoW's in a detachment).

Now that would be AWESOMEEEEE

I'm still crossing my fingers for a plastic Dominatrix. I doubt i'll ever see it happen, but given the fast release schedule we've been seeing who knows.

I'm also eager to see if we end up getting a Genestealer Cult book too. That could make for some interesting games.

The Dominatrix is kinda to large for plastic.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I'm still crossing my fingers for a plastic Dominatrix. I doubt i'll ever see it happen, but given the fast release schedule we've been seeing who knows.

I'm also eager to see if we end up getting a Genestealer Cult book too. That could make for some interesting games.

Anytime someone mentions the Dominatrix, I've got to bring this up:



And yes, a Genestealer Cult codex is in the works, or so the rumours go.

That alien model is noice.

Solid Eldar tactica jy2. Couldn't find anything wrong/needed to be added. I might have a change of opinion when I get a few games in against them.

Haha I have that Alien queen figures. Don't want paint over this nice model!

Where are a proof about genestealer cult? All we have is Chao cult count as genestealer cult?! Or reuse tyranids 1st edition?

Solidcrash wrote:
Haha I have that Alien queen figures. Don't want paint over this nice model!

Where are a proof about genestealer cult? All we have is Chao cult count as genestealer cult?! Or reuse tyranids 1st edition?

No proof yet. Just mainly hearsay:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/647234.page





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 Frozocrone wrote:
That alien model is noice.

Solid Eldar tactica jy2. Couldn't find anything wrong/needed to be added. I might have a change of opinion when I get a few games in against them.

Thanks.

The Eldar are really strong. We need to bring some of our best just to deal with a decent Eldar army. It won't be easy, but we have the capability to beat them IMO.

SO I have found a core army I feel is very good. But I have about 460 points left over. So I was wanting to get some feedback on some of the variants I have been running.
The focus of this list is null deployment. It hits hard where I want it to. With the new Eldar and Necrons I have been trying to come up with a list that can counter these as well as IK. Find a balance for a TAC list been fun.

(1390pts) Base List
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]
Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
+ Troops +
Ripper Swarm Brood
3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike]
Ripper Swarm Brood
3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike]
+ Heavy Support +
Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]
Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++
+ Fortification +
Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay]
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Hive Fleet Detachement) ++
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
+ Troops +
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
+ Fast Attack +
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]


The first is a spam list that I tried out without the ADL and it was good. Now it has an ADL.
3 single units of Biovores
A Malanthrope
One more Fex’s
And 1 Tyrannocyte
E-grubs on all they tyrants.

The second variant. Give me a unit that is more expensive than a tyrant for Big game hunters in the ITC format. I have found this alternate to be really nice in my opponents back field. While in cover with FNP it is hard to kill while being a good anchor for the fex’s.
I dropped a ripper’s swarm
Add a Mawloc
Warrior unit with 2 with rending claws and 3 with bonesword lashwhip. All have Deathspitters TS and Spine banks. They ride in a Tyrannocyte
Alternate 3
Has my fav. models in the raveners.
7 raveners with deathspiters and rending
1 Mawloc

Or
Two units of 5 raveners.

All of these style give me options but I am not sold on them yet.

The one that spams tyrants and fex’s is really good.. but..

So please let me know what you all think.

That is an expensive core. Mine is usually two Flyrants, Rippers and that's it.

I'd use Mawlocs and Lictors to supplement that list.

 Frozocrone wrote:
That is an expensive core. Mine is usually two Flyrants, Rippers and that's it.

I'd use Mawlocs and Lictors to supplement that list.

It is the core for what I feel is a solid Null deployment list.
I have the Mawlocs but not the lictors. I am not a huge fan of them but I have seen their uses.

Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

tag8833 wrote:
Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

I don't have my book with me, but I am 99% sure that they can't be bought separately.

 jifel wrote:

tag8833 wrote:
Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

I don't have my book with me, but I am 99% sure that they can't be bought separately.

That is what I thought, but someone submitted a list for our tourney tomorrow that did so, and when challenged produced that quote. I've confirmed it is legit in the Stronghold assault book. I don't think it is ambiguous. I checked all the FAQ's. Battlefield debris can definitely be purchased alone, but it takes a fortification slot. Usually I've been happy to have the fortification as well, but with Newdar, and AD Mech upping the power of alpha strikes significantly, I'm moving more and more towards null deployment.

tag8833 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

tag8833 wrote:
Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

I don't have my book with me, but I am 99% sure that they can't be bought separately.

That is what I thought, but someone submitted a list for our tourney tomorrow that did so, and when challenged produced that quote. I've confirmed it is legit in the Stronghold assault book. I don't think it is ambiguous. I checked all the FAQ's. Battlefield debris can definitely be purchased alone, but it takes a fortification slot. Usually I've been happy to have the fortification as well, but with Newdar, and AD Mech upping the power of alpha strikes significantly, I'm moving more and more towards null deployment.

Even if it turns out to be legal, I don't know that it will be in any way a benefit...how is a comms relay going to survive without a fortification to protect it? The whole point of null deployment is the recognition of an overwhelming Alpha. So, how will it be useful?

tag8833 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

tag8833 wrote:
Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

I don't have my book with me, but I am 99% sure that they can't be bought separately.

That is what I thought, but someone submitted a list for our tourney tomorrow that did so, and when challenged produced that quote. I've confirmed it is legit in the Stronghold assault book. I don't think it is ambiguous. I checked all the FAQ's. Battlefield debris can definitely be purchased alone, but it takes a fortification slot. Usually I've been happy to have the fortification as well, but with Newdar, and AD Mech upping the power of alpha strikes significantly, I'm moving more and more towards null deployment.

I also can't find anything saying that you can't take battlefield debris as your fortification either, so it appears to be all good.




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pinecone77 wrote:

tag8833 wrote:

 jifel wrote:

tag8833 wrote:
Has anyone ever purchased a comms relay without an associated fortification?

In the Stronghold book it says the following:
"The following list sum m arises the rules for battlefield debris that can be purchased as an upgrade to a fortification, or as fortifications in their own right."

It would certainly be more points efficient if I could buy a Comms Relay by itself. I don't see running a Tyranid Tourney list without one in the near future.

I don't have my book with me, but I am 99% sure that they can't be bought separately.

That is what I thought, but someone submitted a list for our tourney tomorrow that did so, and when challenged produced that quote. I've confirmed it is legit in the Stronghold assault book. I don't think it is ambiguous. I checked all the FAQ's. Battlefield debris can definitely be purchased alone, but it takes a fortification slot. Usually I've been happy to have the fortification as well, but with Newdar, and AD Mech upping the power of alpha strikes significantly, I'm moving more and more towards null deployment.

Even if it turns out to be legal, I don't know that it will be in any way a benefit...how is a comms relay going to survive without a fortification to protect it? The whole point of null deployment is the recognition of an overwhelming Alpha. So, how will it be useful?

Put it behind Blocking-LOS terrain. Or use small models - spore mines or ripper swarms - to man it. They are usually small enough to hide behind many terrain.

Btw, you do realize that the Comms cannot be killed, right?




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shadowfinder wrote:
SO I have found a core army I feel is very good. But I have about 460 points left over. So I was wanting to get some feedback on some of the variants I have been running.
The focus of this list is null deployment. It hits hard where I want it to. With the new Eldar and Necrons I have been trying to come up with a list that can counter these as well as IK. Find a balance for a TAC list been fun.

(1390pts) Base List
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++
Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]
Tyrannocyte [5x Deathspitters]
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
+ Troops +
Ripper Swarm Brood
3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike]
Ripper Swarm Brood
3x Ripper Swarm [3x Deep Strike]
+ Heavy Support +
Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]
Carnifex Brood
Carnifex [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms]
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++
+ Fortification +
Aegis Defense Line [Comms Relay]
++ Tyranids: Codex (2014) (Hive Fleet Detachement) ++
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant [Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Twin-linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings]
+ Troops +
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
Mucolid Spore Cluster [Mucolid Spore]
+ Fast Attack +
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]
Spore Mine Cluster [3x Spore Mine]


The first is a spam list that I tried out without the ADL and it was good. Now it has an ADL.
3 single units of Biovores
A Malanthrope
One more Fex’s
And 1 Tyrannocyte
E-grubs on all they tyrants.

The second variant. Give me a unit that is more expensive than a tyrant for Big game hunters in the ITC format. I have found this alternate to be really nice in my opponents back field. While in cover with FNP it is hard to kill while being a good anchor for the fex’s.
I dropped a ripper’s swarm
Add a Mawloc
Warrior unit with 2 with rending claws and 3 with bonesword lashwhip. All have Deathspitters TS and Spine banks. They ride in a Tyrannocyte
Alternate 3
Has my fav. models in the raveners.
7 raveners with deathspiters and rending
1 Mawloc

Or
Two units of 5 raveners.

All of these style give me options but I am not sold on them yet.

The one that spams tyrants and fex’s is really good.. but..

So please let me know what you all think.

Option 1 (w/3x1 Biovores):

I'm not a big fan of this list. It has 2 main liabilities - 1) VP missions/Maelstrom Secondaries and 2) Big Guns. Let's face it, you rarely ever split up 3 biovores because 1) you'll end up putting them behind 1 single BLOS terrain, 2) they need Synapse to function and splitting them up out of Synapse range reduces their potency, 3) they want to be within Malanthrope range behind the Aegis so they're pretty much going to be together anyways and 4) of course, they are big liabilities in the 2 mission types above.

I do, however, like the idead of a third fex in spore.


Option 2 (Warriors in spore):

Slow, assault Tyranid deathstar is not a viable competitive build. Any decent army will take them out with no problem, especially since most likely they will be out of Malanthrope range. Or your opponent can just get away from them.


Option 3 (Raveners):

I like Raveners as well. Better than warriors because at least they've got the mobility. You can also string them out to be within malanthrope range. This list has potential and either configurations are good. It also gives your army much better board control, unless you're playing against a better assault army or deathstar armies.


Of the 3 builds to add to your core, I like Option #3 the most and then Option #1 2nd. I don't like Option #2. Sorry to say, but warriors are garbage. Better to go with Shrikes instead.

"Fail to survive" does not mean "killed" It means the big bad Alpha Strike exterminates anything near ir, then most likely the foe takes charge of the area. With a Null deployment, you have already done your foe the large favor of simplifying his targeting choices.

BLOS usually does the most good when it is near the center, but that makes it easy to maneuver around to give fire. One of the oldest Alpha builds is Pods O'Plenty! And it does not fear BLOS at all, unless you can screen, but you can't usually because you are a Null deploy.

I have the strong feeling Jetbikes will also seldom find terrain much of an issue(zooming around to get a LOS), and Tau may find new ways to generate line of sight as time goes by.

Dark Eldar will need to DS, but they can, so it may work well against some. Imperials can use Big Artillery that tend to hit anywhere they wish...

So, all in all, I don't see how it will "survive" long enough to be useful.

pinecone77 wrote:
"Fail to survive" does not mean "killed"

Good. Just making sure we are on the same page.

....It means the big bad Alpha Strike exterminates anything near ir, then most likely the foe takes charge of the area. With a Null deployment, you have already done your foe the large favor of simplifying his targeting choices.

BLOS usually does the most good when it is near the center, but that makes it easy to maneuver around to give fire. One of the oldest Alpha builds is Pods O'Plenty! And it does not fear BLOS at all, unless you can screen, but you can't usually because you are a Null deploy.

I have the strong feeling Jetbikes will also seldom find terrain much of an issue(zooming around to get a LOS), and Tau may find new ways to generate line of sight as time goes by.

Dark Eldar will need to DS, but they can, so it may work well against some. Imperials can use Big Artillery that tend to hit anywhere they wish...

So, all in all, I don't see how it will "survive" long enough to be useful.

Yes, that's the risk when running the Comms without an actual fortification. Wanna save a few bucks at the higher risk of losing your units? That's the trade-off.

With regards to null deployment armies, you NEED to make sure whatever units you deploy has to be able to survive your opponent's alpha-strike. At that point, who cares about the Comms. It is a matter of survival against a heavy alpha-strike army. Reserves is secondary to not being tabled on T1. In such a case, if you have to, deploy your flyrants, lictors, mawlocs, whatever it takes to survive, even if you are running a Null-deployment army. Null-deployment gives you the flexibility to reserve the majority of your army, but you don't necessarily have to.

As for drop pod armies, deploy your Comms far away from any objectives. If you want, depoy 1 flyrant as well as "bait". Then when your opponent deepstrikes to "alpha-strike" your army, fine. Afterwards, they will be out of action for a while as they have to slowly footslog to the other objectives. Remember to keep just enough units on the table so that you won't be "tabled" on Turn 1.

Eldar jetbikes won't be able to get to your unit if it is behind BLOS terrain because they will be too afraid of retalitorial strike from your flyrants. This is what they will do. They will move to shoot at your units (if any) and then they will jump back behind whatever BLOS is closest to them. If they stay out in the open (i.e. when they try to maneuver to hit your units behind BLOS terrain), then your flyrants will get the beta-strike on them when they come in from Reserves or when they move out from behind BLOS terrain themselves.

Tau has SMS, which could be troublesome on the riptides, that is, if they aggressively advance those tides. But again, riptides have to respect the firepower and psychic abilities of flyrants.

Dark Eldar....um, yeah right. Tyranids own Dark Eldar currently.

Imperial Artillery? Putting them behind BLOS terrain is still your best bet, but instead of manning it with gribblies, put a flyrant or MC there (or even the malanthrope) and see how much damage those Wyverns will do (answer: not much).


Of course, all of this is assuming there is BLOS terrain near the Tyranid deployment zone. If not, then you're sh*t out of luck. The Comms by itself can work if there is BLOS terrain, but do you want to take that gamble or would you prefer to bring your own BLOS terrain (in the form of a bunker of bastion). That's what it really boils down to.

The new Imperial Knights are disgusting but after Craftworlds they needed a leg up.

So there are now Skyfiring Knights which iis good, but it is nothing compared to Household detachment which gives them Obj sec.

My picj up and play scene just took a turn for the worst

What do they have going for them now? Work has it to where I just cant keep up. : /

EDIT: Against Tyranids, I should ask.

Went to an RTT yesterday. Newdar was in, and un-nerfed. Just under 1/2 of the armies had a wraith Knight. IG + Wraith Knight. Marines + Wraith Knight. Eldar + Wratih Knight.

That new formation that allows you to take 1 Wraith Knight and noting else made it a very popular inclusion. I got to final table with my Green Tide vs a Tau Gunline and lost to the Tau, but IG + Wraith Knight was 2nd.