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Blackgaze wrote:Sorry I couldn't see it in the search.
If I buy the Catacomb Command Badge, could I make a Annihilation Barge AND have a stand-alone Overlord model with it? Seems quite cool to have two for the price.

If you make the Annihilation barge, you get a free Overlord model, the one pictured next to the Finecast Overlord.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

l0k1 wrote:

Mewiththeface wrote:

l0k1 wrote:High priced most likely for the bits to make the doomsday ark, but even then Razorbacks aren't that expensive for the extra sprue.

Or the 20? necrons its comes with. It has a lot of separate bits to make such a complex design.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the warriors are included in the kit. If that's the case then I can understand. My thoughts are that being a very mech meta and a mexh army you'll want the transports, especially ones with the ability to regen models for troops. Also the possibility if taking them for your elites would put you at a possible 9 transports(depending on the army) plus the possibility of taking 3 in the heavy support slot. As for point costs, raiders are fairly expensive but that doesn't stop dark eldar players from spamming them. Obviously that doesn't mean you MUST take that many but it can make for a very expensive mech army.

Yeah, but raiders aren't that expensive points-wise - you're talking 60 points base (compared to a Chimera at 55 points base), compared to a rumored 120 points?! To use Stelek's lingo, part of what makes mech effective is the 1+1 of efficient and effective unit in an efficient and effective vehicle. When you're talking about crappy Warriors (which, it appears are the only ones who can use a Ghost Ark, and from what rumors have gone 'round don't have any real options other than their Gauss Flayers) running 60 pts for 5 riding in a 120 pt open-topped transport which appears to only be armed with 2 Gauss Flayer arrays (which sounds to me like it's essentially a Hurricane Bolter-style Gauss weapon), I'm not feeling very impressed. That 120 pts is a steep price for an 11/11/11 open-topped transport.

I thought the Ghost Ark had Quantim Shielding giving it an effective 13/13/13?

BrassScorpion wrote:This latest incident reinforces something I've been saying a lot this year, that is that someone somewhere will always get their White Dwarf early, there are just too many of them around. All they've done with their mailing policy changes for home subscribers is annoy us to the point where we are outright canceling subscriptions or letting them lapse. Sending them to us 10 days later than they used to hasn't stopped the leaks, but it has really, REALLY angered the customers.

Rumors: New Necrons- Why This is Bad?
http://blog.spikeybits.com/2011/10/rumors-new-necrons-why-this-is-bad-pics.html

Sounds like someone's butthurt that BoW gets more traffic than them.

Looking forward to reading the rules, anyway I'll let my signature speak for itself.

Flashman wrote:So we're talking "shard" in the metaphorical sense then?

i.e. a "shard" looks just like the C'Tan that it is a "piece" of, but isn't as powerful.

Presumably in the same fashion as the Eldar Avatars being grown from shards of Khaine that settled in the hearts of the Craftworlds.

I have a feeling that there will be some representation of subservience on the new C'tan models, though we will probably have to use the 2 existing models for a while.

Personal attacks are against DakkaDakka Rule Number One. Thanks! ~Manchu

NecronLord3 wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Yeah, but raiders aren't that expensive points-wise - you're talking 60 points base (compared to a Chimera at 55 points base), compared to a rumored 120 points?! To use Stelek's lingo, part of what makes mech effective is the 1+1 of efficient and effective unit in an efficient and effective vehicle. When you're talking about crappy Warriors (which, it appears are the only ones who can use a Ghost Ark, and from what rumors have gone 'round don't have any real options other than their Gauss Flayers) running 60 pts for 5 riding in a 120 pt open-topped transport which appears to only be armed with 2 Gauss Flayer arrays (which sounds to me like it's essentially a Hurricane Bolter-style Gauss weapon), I'm not feeling very impressed. That 120 pts is a steep price for an 11/11/11 open-topped transport.

I thought the Ghost Ark had Quantim Shielding giving it an effective 13/13/13?

Supposedly you can add Quantum Shielding, but from what I've read, it doesn't automatically come with it. But let's say for giggles that it only costs 10 points, like Night Shields or a Flickerfield. It makes it 13/13/13 until it gets a glancing or penetrating hit, then after that, it's 11/11/11. Is a 13/13/13 transport good? Yeah. Is it worth more than twice a Raider? I mean, Eldar Wave Serpents are base 110 pts and Falcons are 120 and those are generally considered overpriced. Until I get a good read of the comparative points costs of things in the codex, 120 pts seems pretty expensive to me. But who knows, maybe it's fair. I mean, a min-sized Space Marine squad in a Las/Plas Razorback runs 165 pts - I use this to camp objectives in my backfield. A 5-man Warrior squad and Ghost Ark will run 15 points more than this, (say 25 with the Quantum Shielding) - this would be pretty good for backfield camping objectives. It would be more durable, but would have substantially less ranged firepower, which you want if you're sitting in the backfield, so I'm a little leery of having a unit that sits and does nothing until enemies come within 24". At least with a Las/Plas Razorback, I can sit back and plink away at enemy armor with it.

In fact, in general, I'm a little worried about the Necron's abilities to deal with the mech heavy environment we're seeing so much of this edition. All the rumors I've seen have pointed to Necrons getting lots of anti-horde capabilities (Tesla weapons, the uber-CC attack that pings all of the same type of model in a unit), but anti-infantry has never been a problem for Necrons. Problems in CC? Yes. Problems with anti-tank? Yes. I think some of the rumored weapons will help the CC problem a little, but I think it will still be lacking - and I think this is intentional from a design perspective. Necrons aren't supposed to be a CC army. But what I'm more worried about is how Necrons will deal with armor. The whole autoglance thing with Gauss is overrated, IMO. I haven't run the numbers on how long it takes to glance different vehicles to death, but I don't think it's very reliable. Destroyers being able to upgrade to Heavy Gauss Cannons are good, except for the fact that the FA slots are going to be in short supply what with that being where you get to take Scarabs from. (Not to mention the weirdness of them giving Destroyers Preferred Enemy - seriously? You want me to get my 50 pt units into CC? I'm going to try to do my best to not let this happen.) The Scarabs, themselves, seem to have some cool anti-armor capability, but until I see it in action and in conjunction with other units, I'm not sure how well the synergy will be. The only unit I've seen described as having melta is the new Triarch Walker with their heat ray. Unless I see more high-S firepower or some melta, I'm a little worried.

BSent wrote:

And on the subject, of the Power Armored dude, if I had to guess on a Primarch it would probably be Khan. Others like Corax, Russ, and Vulkan could be possible, but they all were known to head to the Eye of Terror, but not Khan. That being said, we'll probably never find out.

I am sure we will find out exactly what this is, when we find our for sure what the "In case of emergency break glass, super secret box" in the GK codex is. I wonder if this is some sort of subtle hint at either a future release or tie in?

BStone wrote:

BSent wrote:

And on the subject, of the Power Armored dude, if I had to guess on a Primarch it would probably be Khan. Others like Corax, Russ, and Vulkan could be possible, but they all were known to head to the Eye of Terror, but not Khan. That being said, we'll probably never find out.

I am sure we will find out exactly what this is, when we find our for sure what the "In case of emergency break glass, super secret box" in the GK codex is. I wonder if this is some sort of subtle hint at either a future release or tie in?

Well, it's going to be Russ, then in 6th edition he'll lead an army of Vikrons to rescue something from something fulfilling the ancient prophecy ofzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Considering some of the powerhouse units they've been giving the newer Codexes, I certainly could see them bringing back some of the Primarchs next summer with 6th edition and the new Space Marine codex.

NecronLord3 wrote:Considering some of the powerhouse units they've been giving the newer Codexes, I certainly could see them bringing back some of the Primarchs next summer with 6th edition and the new Space Marine codex.

I would like to see what ALL-POWERFUL character the necrons get, which is why i was surprised to see the lack of a Silent King model.

Proiteus wrote:Looking forward to reading the rules, anyway I'll let my signature speak for itself.

Stealin' your sig.

Kroothawk wrote:

Blackgaze wrote:Sorry I couldn't see it in the search.
If I buy the Catacomb Command Badge, could I make a Annihilation Barge AND have a stand-alone Overlord model with it? Seems quite cool to have two for the price.

If you make the Annihilation barge, you get a free Overlord model, the one pictured next to the Finecast Overlord.

I like this direction, and hope they start doing it more. Even looking at the Zombie Dragon, if you make a riderless Terrorgeist or a Zombie Dragon ridden by the Blood Dragon, you get a free Strigoi vampire that can very easily be used without a mount. It's pose is perfect for a vampire leaping off a rock or something, so its easy to base.

Im excited the new units look awsome......well except for the flayed ones lol. Hopefully crons won't have to be mechanised.

I am magnetizing the feet on my lord(s) so the can attach to a base or baseless to the barge.

person6 wrote:Hopefully crons won't have to be mechanised.

Uhh, if you want old 'crons who aren't robots, go play 'Nids.

If you want new 'crons who aren't robots, go play Eldar/SM.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

person6 wrote:Hopefully crons won't have to be mechanised.

Uhh, if you want old 'crons who aren't robots, go play 'Nids.

If you want new 'crons who aren't robots, go play Eldar/SM.

Pretty sure he means that he hopes they don't all have to be vehicle mounted...

I'm looking forward to someone turning this into a DJ Table with lights and a sound system on it.

If the Cryteks really do get to each take a VoD, I think you will have the option to go without transports.

Of course they'll need transports Vodding will probably be expensive and unreliable. I've had lousy luck Vodding anyway..

They've nerfed our wall of invulnerability, and the meta is transports transports transports, because they can charge a fortune for them

I would like to field a classic Liths, Warriors and scarabs army though, like the current codex cover art.

You can do that now, of course, but it doesn't last long..

Ahtman wrote:I'm looking forward to someone turning this into a DJ Table with lights and a sound system on it.

I may make one that gets rid of the lord, and looks like Daft Punk.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I may make one that gets rid of the lord, and looks like Daft Punk.

Maybe keep the Lord's body, but use the Dark Eldar enclosed helm from the Wyches or Jet Bikes. Not sure about the arms.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

Proiteus wrote:Looking forward to reading the rules, anyway I'll let my signature speak for itself.

Stealin' your sig.

Stealing the sig that you stole.

Ascalam wrote:Of course they'll need transports Vodding will probably be expensive and unreliable. I've had lousy luck Vodding anyway..

They've nerfed our wall of invulnerability, and the meta is transports transports transports, because they can charge a fortune for them

I would like to field a classic Liths, Warriors and scarabs army though, like the current codex cover art.

You can do that now, of course, but it doesn't last long..

If the transports turn out to be 120 pts on the low side and 200 pts on the high, then I suspect that Vodding will be the cheaper option. I'll be curious to see if they've loosened up the restrictions around VoD to let you come up with some fun chain-VoD tricks.

tarnish wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Mercyful gods, the new Necrons fluff is pants on head slowed. GW truly managed to destroy whatever coolness factor an almost lovecraftian horde of all destroying robots had and replaced
it with a bunch of self obsessed nobles. Tomb Knights in space, now with 50% more stupid looking minatures, w00t! ( with the exception of the new Immortals and the Deathmarks, those look pretty cool ).

I do think the fluff has been horribly raped by GW now, Necrons should have stayed more of a cold machine army serving the C'tan and less of honorable independent mechanical beings.

Don't know the rules yet, the models by and large look great. Mostly my opinion on the matter as of now.

tarnish wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Mercyful gods, the new Necrons fluff is pants on head slowed. GW truly managed to destroy whatever coolness factor an almost lovecraftian horde of all destroying robots had and replaced
it with a bunch of self obsessed nobles. Tomb Knights in space, now with 50% more stupid looking minatures, w00t! ( with the exception of the new Immortals and the Deathmarks, those look pretty cool ).

He is extremely right though. It is Tomb kings.... in SPAAAAAAACCCCEEEE!

lord marcus wrote:

tarnish wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Mercyful gods, the new Necrons fluff is pants on head slowed. GW truly managed to destroy whatever coolness factor an almost lovecraftian horde of all destroying robots had and replaced
it with a bunch of self obsessed nobles. Tomb Knights in space, now with 50% more stupid looking minatures, w00t! ( with the exception of the new Immortals and the Deathmarks, those look pretty cool ).

He is extremely right though. It is Tomb kings.... in SPAAAAAAACCCCEEEE!

Why is that a bad thing?

Ive been waiting for both dark eldar and necrons for AGES im very happy that both got/getting renewed it makes me so happy.

About this TK in space im happy about it I love egypt style models, my dark eldars are aztec and my crons will obviously be egypt..cannot wait, though the flawed ones look a little off, i dont like how they look like they can "run" i like my crons slow and steady ^^ anyway.

That is all

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

I may make one that gets rid of the lord, and looks like Daft Punk.

...Could I commission that? Because that would be AWESOME.