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It is manned. It has the pilot arms sticking out like other manned TAGs.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It is manned. It has the pilot arms sticking out like other manned TAGs.

I didn't know what those were so thanks. I'll shut up now, lol!

Naw, just cookie cutter design. Give 'em a goofy BMX helmet but leave the other *safety* issue alone. It would have been possible to give the Montesa a shorter tunic style, something mid thigh. No matter, it's done. I won't be getting one. Unless the regular edition Montesa has a proper MO helmet.

Well, there's definitely a dude in there from the look of the arms. So, does that mean that it's S5 HI? Or S6? Is it a TAG?

Maybe MO like having real people in their TAGs. Rather quaint of them, if that's the case.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Naw, just cookie cutter design.

PanO TAG pun intended?

Ah. Maybe.

I was referring more to the Montesa design including the tabard rather than the Knight of the Holy Sepulchre. A responds to this:

 warboss wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Does the good book not say to girdle your loins for work? He just tucks it into the belt for combat and folds out when dismounting

It's a cyberpunk-esque/adjacent universe, right? Maybe it's electronically controlled cloth that can change shape as needed... whether to billow dramatically in zero wind or intimately expose armored thigh if you cheesecake pose with one foot on a tactical rock.

I missed the page roll. Oops.

Although, speaking of cheesecake, one of the Coadjutors (Coadjutrices) does have the classic B&B pose.

Apart from the weirdly small head of the Infirmarer, and the way too thick spearshaft it has, I like the MO minis.

It is a S5 HI

I'm usually not one to mind boob plate armor, but that Black Friar cutting her surcoat/tabard short to accomodate for the boob plate is just silly.

I guess it's just as silly as the Knight Commander shaving off the tip of his sword so it functions better as a cane.

Until now I thought the Knight of the Holy Sepulchre was just one of those giant HIs. If it's a manned TAG, perhaps that's what the PanOceanian military does with it's old gear?

I've been calling it a TAG just out of habit for bigger models but a look on the Facebook group shows the supposed classification to be an oversized HI. I don't actually know as a mostly thread lurker and nonplayer but I suppose we'll find out next week.I

Do any of the other bigger HI have the baby set of arms?

No, but a closer inspection on the model shows it has few things in common with other S5 HI.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
No, but a closer inspection on the model shows it has few things in common with other S5 HI.

Could you elaborate? I genuinely don't know. That b&w comic about not being able to differentiate PanO units definitely applies to me.

It has nothing to do with it being PanO and everything to do with Corvus Belli being inconsistent.

Blackjacks, Kriza Boracs, Taskmasters, Ratniks, and stuff like that are S5 Heavy Infantry.
Geckos are Superheavy Infantry with the TAG rules instead.

Anything can be anything.

Geckos are what first came to mind for me when I saw the pano group shot. That is confusing then. I assumed (admittedly out of ignorance) that the Blackjack was a primitive TAG that just could be hacked based on the size.I


https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-a-tag-and-a-massive-hi-like-the-ratnik.24085/

Kanluwen wrote:It has nothing to do with it being PanO and everything to do with Corvus Belli being inconsistent.

Blackjacks, Kriza Boracs, Taskmasters, Ratniks, and stuff like that are S5 Heavy Infantry.
Geckos are Superheavy Infantry with the TAG rules instead.

Anything can be anything.

Boyg, is a "not prototype" power armour that failed to miniaturize the technology Yu Jing have in their more advance power armour hence the bulk
Mowang and Yan Huo are bulked up not because Yu Jing cannot produce more advance power armours but because they need the mass for the weapons they carry
Blackjacks and Ratniks are Ariadnas first steps towards proper power armour hence the bulk giving a feel on what the others first power armours looked like
Al Fasid and Azra'il are older generation power armours retained for the superior protection not offered by present technology miniaturization in Haqq (Al Fasid) or for phycological manipulation of a towering figure (Azra'il)
Kriza Boracs and Taskmasters Are big suits because of need to either have a lot of firepower for the first and operational parameters (strange things escaping from Praxis) for the latter
Ajax is a prototype body for Achilles before been miniaturized, and roughly either for biological reasons or for artificially looking big is the main reason why Combined, Tohaa and O-12 S5 are S5
All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size
Gheckos are failed scouting TAGs relegated to "heavy power armour" duties by the Nomads who bought them because they were cheap hence the S6 and the TAG statline, they are not HI they are TAGs used in this role.
Knights of the Holy Sepulcher are the new S5 HI and they will have a consistent lore reason on why they are S5 in a faction that has super advanced technology, the weapons they carry may have something to do with it.

warboss wrote:Geckos are what first came to mind for me when I saw the pano group shot. That is confusing then. I assumed (admittedly out of ignorance) that the Blackjack was a primitive TAG that just could be hacked based on the size.I

Spoiler:

https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/what-is-the-difference-between-a-tag-and-a-massive-hi-like-the-ratnik.24085/

Ariadna do not have the technology (yet) to make TAGs, and nobody from the two big who make TAGs (PanOceania and Yu Jing) wants to sell them one, Blackjacks are the first stable attempts to a "primitive" power armour, probably in the (far) future they will develop enouph technology to build their own, if they are not sabotaged that is.

All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size

And then you have Friar Tuck with his tag-only extra arms now
I bet he was supposed to be a TAG at some point, since he has what seems to be a gatling weapon, not the standard PanO HMG desing either.

Cronch wrote:

All S5 have some consistency in reason, logic and size

And then you have Friar Tuck with his tag-only extra arms now
I bet he was supposed to be a TAG at some point, since he has what seems to be a gatling weapon, not the standard PanO HMG desing either.

That’s the PanO AP HMG design.

It is a PanO HMG design and you can spot it in one recent model, not necessarily restricted to AP ammunition.

Ah, it’s on the Cutter which I thought also had an AP HMG but that has a Multi HMG.

Correct.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
It is a PanO HMG design and you can spot it in one recent model, not necessarily restricted to AP ammunition.

Since when does the basic PanO HMG have multiple barrels? The multi on Cutter does, but none of the HI/human models do?

 Soul Samurai wrote:
Sci-fi knights wearing Motocross helmets? Ok.

As someone quipped on the Australian FB page - Knight Of Motocrossa.

It's likely going to be at least a year before KoHS is liberated from the army deal, isn't it?

I don't think they do that anymore? They don't unpack the action packs, you might just get a model with different weapon loadout?

One hundred percent sadness. I have little love for the Knights, but the AP HMG. That's pure love.

So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?

Minor fluff update for MO

 warboss wrote:
So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?

Seriously man, the answer is the same as it is with GW or any other company:

It's all up to how Corvus Belli feels at that moment.

 warboss wrote:
So the big boy in the lineup is confirmed as a HI? Mechanically, how does that affect his or her survival? How much of a difference in cost, usage, and survivability is there between a miniTAG and a HHHeavy Infantry in general? Do they generally fulfill the same roles in warbands?

According to the unboxing video, confirmed S5 HI. Complete redesign of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre (currently S2 with Holomask and Holoprojector, so probably completely changed from that). I don't like it, the slave arms should make it a manned TAG. I'll almost certainly use it as a counts-as Tikbalang unless the rules are truly amazing for the Holy Sepulchre knights.

As far as mechanical difference, it varies. In N3 it was significantly better to be a HI than a TAG, N4 has more built-in buffs to TAGs and some of them like the Geckos then also got significant changes to make them worth using (they were exceedingly mediocre in N3). Which is better will be situational to the mission and the opponent. Actual reasoning for the difference is mostly fluff based, but fluff has also been changed to match the models. It really is up to how CB feels at the moment.