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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 14:12:30
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Nasty Nob
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BorderCountess wrote: Platuan4th wrote: Kroem wrote:
I thought marauders were the basis of any Chaos army but the box has none!
It's always been players choice whether they wanted to concentrate on Warriors or Marauders.
Personally, I've never used Marauders until the Sea Wolves list.
To me, basing the army around Marauders takes away what makes Chaos, Chaos. Marauders are more of a side dish in my opinion.
Hmm OK fair enough, I thought the basic armies would be a mix of warriors and marauders. Of course there is always a way to field an all warrior army, but this is the starter box!
Why do you say the marauders take away from the theme of Chaos? The fact that these are tribesmen from the north seems quite important in the story?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 15:54:31
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Marauders are just dudes without much chaos, they are a side dish as another pointed out and would be better served being in a dedicated Norscan marauders army, etc. The real thematic core of a Warriors of Chaos army is, perhaps unsurprisingly given the name, Chaos Warriors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 17:52:29
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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[DCM]
Tzeentch's Fan Girl
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Kroem wrote:Why do you say the marauders take away from the theme of Chaos? The fact that these are tribesmen from the north seems quite important in the story?
I should've been more specific, in that by 'Chaos' I meant 'Warriors of Chaos'. Because they're not, y'know, Chaos Warriors. They're not on the Path to Glory yet. The real backbone of the army is the actual Chaos Warriors, who are supposed to be pound-for-pound the best infantry in the game. Marauders are just spiky humans - nothing special about them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 17:57:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Nasty Nob
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That's a very one note interpretation of the theme  But I guess I can agree that they are the core of the army. I see a theme in Warriors of Chaos of that personal path to glory in the eyes of the Gods, so the marauders are important as the start of that path to go along with the warriors, champion and maybe even a spawn! Now that would make a great starter box. Apologies I didn't realise this was the news and rumours thread rather than discussion, I'll stop derailing the news!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 18:08:03
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Traditionally the chaos warriors were the space marines of Fantasy. Simply better and stronger than any other core units, you didnt need any mortal blocks of infantry. This was the theme of the army.
Ofcourse, in The Old World chaos is somewhat dormant and marauders should play a bigger part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 18:19:56
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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To get back on topic, I love that Cecil Gastonne model. Problem with him is that he is a monster slayer...on foot....in a bretonnia army. He's good for his points, but won't ever do what he is supposed to do. Also in a Bretonnia army i can make a better and faster monster slayer quite easily.
I hope he is revealed soon though, the model looks great!
Only Thorgrim and Kiknik to go! (And please don't say the new aos guy can double for him).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 18:24:34
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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chaos0xomega wrote:Marauders are just dudes without much chaos, they are a side dish as another pointed out and would be better served being in a dedicated Norscan marauders army, etc. The real thematic core of a Warriors of Chaos army is, perhaps unsurprisingly given the name, Chaos Warriors.
But then, without tribesmen and marauders the army needs other, more common troops like traitors, cultists, slaves, beastmen and mutants. Chaos Warriors are rare, each of them a champion of the Dark Gods, and while they fight together in the battles in the Chaos wastes and are resurrected to fight again by the gods, a full army of them is very uncommon in the Old World. Nothing wrong with playing such an army but it's not the norm backgroundwise. And no, I never accepted Teclis summoning Khorne daemons as background.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/23 18:59:32
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Fixture of Dakka
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nathan2004 wrote:The game will live or die by sales and nothing will be redone if people stop buying (I haven't because I want the game to be successful and I like some of the older stuff).
3d print all you want but if enough people do it, we will have a dead game again and be back to playing the fan made crap or Kings.
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So you buy stuff that you don't necessarily want?
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So if you're willing to play fancrap or Kings.... Why don't you just play whichever version of WHFB you prefer. Or Old World?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/24 00:19:38
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Dryaktylus wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Marauders are just dudes without much chaos, they are a side dish as another pointed out and would be better served being in a dedicated Norscan marauders army, etc. The real thematic core of a Warriors of Chaos army is, perhaps unsurprisingly given the name, Chaos Warriors.
But then, without tribesmen and marauders the army needs other, more common troops like traitors, cultists, slaves, beastmen and mutants. Chaos Warriors are rare, each of them a champion of the Dark Gods, and while they fight together in the battles in the Chaos wastes and are resurrected to fight again by the gods, a full army of them is very uncommon in the Old World. Nothing wrong with playing such an army but it's not the norm backgroundwise. And no, I never accepted Teclis summoning Khorne daemons as background.
Sure, space marines are rare too, doesnt mean that i need to field a bunch of chapter serfs.
The "chaos warriors are rare" argument is meaningless. A players army exists only in the context of the lore, not the meta. If my army is 100 chaos warriors, well dont you know thats every chaos warrior in existence at that point in time and their path to glory has taken them on an invasion of the empire? The fact that theres another 100 players with 100 chaos warriors in each of their armies is meaningless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/24 01:25:52
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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chaos0xomega wrote: Dryaktylus wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:Marauders are just dudes without much chaos, they are a side dish as another pointed out and would be better served being in a dedicated Norscan marauders army, etc. The real thematic core of a Warriors of Chaos army is, perhaps unsurprisingly given the name, Chaos Warriors.
But then, without tribesmen and marauders the army needs other, more common troops like traitors, cultists, slaves, beastmen and mutants. Chaos Warriors are rare, each of them a champion of the Dark Gods, and while they fight together in the battles in the Chaos wastes and are resurrected to fight again by the gods, a full army of them is very uncommon in the Old World. Nothing wrong with playing such an army but it's not the norm backgroundwise. And no, I never accepted Teclis summoning Khorne daemons as background.
Sure, space marines are rare too, doesnt mean that i need to field a bunch of chapter serfs.
The "chaos warriors are rare" argument is meaningless. A players army exists only in the context of the lore, not the meta. If my army is 100 chaos warriors, well dont you know thats every chaos warrior in existence at that point in time and their path to glory has taken them on an invasion of the empire? The fact that theres another 100 players with 100 chaos warriors in each of their armies is meaningless.
Space Marines are a mobile attack force that could strike anywhere in the Imperium. And they don't use chapters servants or anything else to do so. Chaos Warriors not so much.
As I said, there's nothing wrong to play an army full of Chaos Warriors (they were plastic before the marauders - so Space Marine like), but they're not the usual army you have in the Old World. When going south they always had huge recruitments or already brought other forces from the north.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/24 02:24:14
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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As though chaos warriors arent a seaborn raiding force that sail and invade across the entire length and breadth of the world.
And yes, space marines are highly reliant on chapter serfs to go anywhere, who do you think crews and operates space marine starships? If theres only 1000 space marines in a chapter, who do you think makes up the thousands of crew needed to operate a single strike cruiser? Let alone the tebs of thousands of crew needed to operate an entire chapter fleet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/24 14:41:08
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oh, nice! I was wondering what he would look like. So who is left that we haven't seen miniatures for? Just Thorgrim and Kiknik Toofsnatcha, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:01:53
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Empire stuff is up for pre-order - for some reason I thought the War Wagon MTO wave was up today as well, but it isn't.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:12:22
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Thought the Ogres were MTO, but seemingly not.
Must remember to pick some up in due course.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:13:27
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Dakka Veteran
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Dysartes wrote:Empire stuff is up for pre-order - for some reason I thought the War Wagon MTO wave was up today as well, but it isn't.
Made to Order are usually 2-3 weeks behind first wave of releases.
Point of interest: there are new transfer sheets for both Infantry and Knightly orders. We hadn't seen the former and didn't even know about the latter previously.
The website was fine at 10am but seems to be slogging now.
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That place is the harsh dark future far left with only war left. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:14:12
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Has the Empire pre order borked the GW website? Luckily got my Ogres and transfers at 9.55 am. £37 for the Ogres seemed pretty fair to me. Secondary market prices were near that per figure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:17:10
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Looks like it - I'm getting a 504 CloudFront error.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 10:48:07
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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jullevi wrote:Made to Order are usually 2-3 weeks behind first wave of releases.
I was holding fire on a couple of the 40k scenery kits because I thought I'd get the War Wagon at the same time (subject to price, anyway) - I guess this gives me some time to think about the budget side of things, at least.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 12:00:48
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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FOW Player
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At the moment the Australian site loads, at least for me, and most pages are fine, but the specific pages for "Empire (Old World)" and "New & Exclusive - Pre-orders" have no items showing under the banner.
Sometimes upon refreshing the products flicker into existence for half a second before vanishing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 14:00:33
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Tunneling Trygon
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Zenithfleet wrote:
At the moment the Australian site loads, at least for me, and most pages are fine, but the specific pages for "Empire (Old World)" and "New & Exclusive - Pre-orders" have no items showing under the banner.
Sometimes upon refreshing the products flicker into existence for half a second before vanishing.
Per WarCom, Empire is delayed in Australia and New Zealand, so they shouldn't be appearing on the site just yet anyway (same with the Squats, hence the general pre-order page not working)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 14:09:29
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Selective memory must be kicking in, because damn the Teutogen Guard look rough compared to how i remember them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 14:20:41
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Tunneling Trygon
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The paintjob is nothing to write home about, but they are showing their age a bit (not as rough as the Warrior Priest of Ulric, at least)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 18:06:29
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Knight of the Inner Circle
Montreal, QC Canada
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Site is totally Borked for me, Ugg this is annoying. All this work to create a new site and it barely works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 18:50:23
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Charging Bull
New Jersey
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Commodus Leitdorf wrote:Site is totally Borked for me, Ugg this is annoying. All this work to create a new site and it barely works.
Yep. I got the confirmation for transfer sheet order and the site immediately crashed. Oh well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 19:24:30
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Nimble Skeleton Charioteer
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I was able to get an order in for all the Ogres, but any other tab or new page (while I was making the order) are borked and don't open.
Teutogen price is decent too, cheaper than other similar units from other armies.
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Fantasy armies - Retired (Tomb Kings, Vampires, Empire, Chaos Warriors/Daemons, Dark Elves)
Tyranids army - Ever evolving, but about 10k pts
Custodes - 3,500pts (Fully painted yay!)
Thousand Sons - 4,000 pts
Eldar - 3,000pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 19:41:17
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Skywave wrote:I was able to get an order in for all the Ogres, but any other tab or new page (while I was making the order) are borked and don't open.
Teutogen price is decent too, cheaper than other similar units from other armies.
How do these Ogres compare sizewise to the "Badlands Ogres"?
I really like the look of the Badlands one over these, but wouldn't mind mixing in some if they'd look OK-ish...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/28 21:55:35
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Nimble Skeleton Charioteer
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Alpharius wrote: Skywave wrote:I was able to get an order in for all the Ogres, but any other tab or new page (while I was making the order) are borked and don't open.
Teutogen price is decent too, cheaper than other similar units from other armies.
How do these Ogres compare sizewise to the "Badlands Ogres"?
I really like the look of the Badlands one over these, but wouldn't mind mixing in some if they'd look OK-ish...
I don't have any in hands (either the Badland ones or the Imperial one), but I would guess they be pretty comparable in size, but not in style obviously. Someone with either of those models could probably gives a better assessment on that tho!
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Fantasy armies - Retired (Tomb Kings, Vampires, Empire, Chaos Warriors/Daemons, Dark Elves)
Tyranids army - Ever evolving, but about 10k pts
Custodes - 3,500pts (Fully painted yay!)
Thousand Sons - 4,000 pts
Eldar - 3,000pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/29 04:10:40
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
Dallas, Tx
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I own the badlands now and will be getting the imperial ones and will try to remember to circle back and comment on scale differences.
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ToW armies I own:
Empire: 10,000+
Chaos Legions: DoC- 10,000+; WoC- 7,500+; Beastmen- 2,500+; Chaos Dwarves- 3,500+
Unaligned: Ogres- 2,500; Tomb Kings- 3,000
Hotek: Dark Elves- 7,500+; High Elves- 2,500
40k armies I own:
CSM- 25,000+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/29 05:18:11
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That Knightly Order Decalsheet is a bit of wasted space
The Panther Knights have their own Shields with sculped Details and the Knights of the Wolf don't use shields.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2024/12/29 11:39:03
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Grand Master of Knights Panther. p329.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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They missed an opportunity to provide knights of morr and fiery heart heraldry as well
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