Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors

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**Prometheum5**

My big issue with the upcoming MTO is trying to figure out how many War Wagons to buy. I want to do a Nuln army but haven't figure out the list yet... thinking 3 is reasonable?

**Overread**

Prometheum5 wrote:
My big issue with the upcoming MTO is trying to figure out how many War Wagons to buy. I want to do a Nuln army but haven't figure out the list yet... thinking 3 is reasonable?

My general rule-of-thumb is 3 is a magic wargame number. at least for standard 28-32mm games.

In most wargames you can take 3 of something (that might be squads or individual) fairly comfortably. It's got a skew to the army, but there's still room to fit other things in as well as.

Beyond 3 and in many cases you are now committing yourself to a full on skew list with one singular focus. You're starting to lock out a lot more options.

OF course the other consideration isn't just how many can you take; its do you want spares for conversions; do you want to consider running "epic" games that og way beyond normal point values - eg for old world a 5K game

**kodos**

Overread wrote:
Those are the made-to-order specials released alongside new armies. And yes those are 100% bubbled releases. However the important thing is that the core of each army is staying in regular production.

That regular production army is the longer bubble that's just going to steadily grow and wait for new models.

Now I will agree there's a good chances totally brand new gamers are drawn into AoS and I could see that AoS might end up with a higher percentage of younger games VS Old World.

However I still think GW are looking beyond season 1. Edition 2 of Old World is very likely to come with loads of updated models as a core focus along with the brand new armies they teased right at the start. In fact I'd argue if a 2.0 edition comes along and Cathay and/or Kisleve aren't in the boxed set starter then that might damage its sales.

At the 2.0 mark should be where GW goes "ok the old stuff sold well now we invest more into it like any other regular game we make"

and I have heard that before, already during 7th, 8th and before TOW was released
the next Edition will be the one where everything will be fine, and we finally get new core Khemri models

of course, there isn't anything for Cathay to be re-released so there must be new models if they come, but there is a much higher chance GW is going with all new armies for new models in a 2nd Edition rathern re-doing everything for an old faction (and they would need to re-do everything as just making 1 new unit doesn't help selling old stuff, we have already seen that in the past, or boost an army if the core doesn't fit the new models)

**chaos0xomega**

I think people need to stop talking about and wishlisting stuff for 2.0 as though its imminent or around the cornnr.

**Just Tony**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think people need to stop talking about and wishlisting stuff for 2.0 as though its imminent or around the cornnr.

They have some sort of Pavlovian conditioning due to the churn and burn of other editions...

**Overread**

Just Tony wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I think people need to stop talking about and wishlisting stuff for 2.0 as though its imminent or around the cornnr.

They have some sort of Pavlovian conditioning due to the churn and burn of other editions...

New editions have been a thing at GW for -- well -- 40 odd years.
I'm just presuming it will enter the same rotational pattern of editions that GW favours for other games. Of course nothing stops GW sticking with a rules system LONGER (indeed I and many others, would welcome GW sticking with rules longer!) and releasing updates to existing armies.

Of course this is all in the future - GW still has to get the rest of the armies out for Old World.

**pgmason**

With Old World being by the specialist design studio it should be more akin to Horus Heresy than the main studio games, which got a second edition after about 10 years rather than 3.

It is of course possible that it may become a victim of its own success and they feel the need to push out editions more frequently, but I hope not.

Once the rest of the 9 arcane journals are out I'd much rather see new content such as new armies (and revamped legacy armies) and campaign supplements, rather than rehashing everything for a second edition.

**GaroRobe**

Was the MTO showcase the "Special something" they promised in the warhammer preview on Sunday?

If so, very underwhelming but nothing else has been posted today

**Santtu**

Where's muh Galrauch MTO?

**nathan2004**

Still waiting on Galrauch and the Chainmaker too!

**JWh85**

The Chainmaker has already been previewed a few weeks back.

Galrauch is fine, but where are my sir Cecil an Thorgrim!?

**kodos**

pgmason wrote:
With Old World being by the specialist design studio it should be more akin to Horus Heresy than the main studio games, which got a second edition after about 10 years rather than 3.

just that this FW studio doesn't exist any more and other specialist systems are on a "more books" trip. I guess we'll see if the rumours of a new HH Edition this year are true or not if a longer Edition cycle is still possible.

**JWh85**

I really hope so. I like the rules for the Old World. Some tweaks should go a long way in making infantry better and monsters less good. I hate for them to write new rules and we end up with another 8th edition.

**Dysartes**

kodos wrote:
I guess we'll see if the rumours of a new HH Edition this year are true or not if a longer Edition cycle is still possible.

I've fully confident we won't see a new edition of HH this year.

**Geifer**

I think the expectation here should be that the specialist games team is not in as desolate a state as the main game teams and if a new edition comes every three years, like we expect for Horus Heresy next year because we're still talking about GW, it will be a cleanup of the current edition with maybe the odd addition rather than a complete rewrite.

GaroRobe wrote:
Was the MTO showcase the "Special something" they promised in the warhammer preview on Sunday?

If so, very underwhelming but nothing else has been posted today

It's either that or they released the Imperial hymn early because they're too stoned to know what day it is.

**KidCthulhu**

Has this guy popped up in the thread yet?

**Overread**

I don't think so - that said GW has been making a bunch of these "one time hero" models and some get out by leaks and some get released and GW doesn't seem to announce it.

There's a Vampire leader kicking around here and there that's been "released" I think but isn't official out or hasn't been announced

**Ohman**

Empire up for pre-order next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4enniuzu/sunday-preview-the-empire-of-man-and-ironhead-squat-prospectors-prepare-for-battle/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_22nd_December_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

Transfer sheet looks great!

**GrosseSax**

Are those Sylvania and Stirland decals I see on that sheet?

**DaveC**

Price list as it already went out last week

**jullevi**

Transfer sheet is great! Banners were always my weakness because Empire didn't have any transfers in 6-8th edition and I couldn't free hand a squat.

**Fayric**

Will drop lots of money on this release.

Im really sold on the whole Empire range in a way I never was back in the short period I played Fantasy.
The transfers look great and usefull.

**Ohman**

GrosseSax wrote:
Are those Sylvania and Stirland decals I see on that sheet?

Yes, I think you do, I can also see Westerland, Osterlund, Sudenland, Reikland, Wissenland, Ostermark and Talabec among the big "banner-transfers" at the top.

Most excited about Knights of the Blazing Sun though!

**nathan2004**

Dang and like a few weeks before LVO too. Gonna be an expensive January.

**SgtEeveell**

jullevi wrote:
Transfer sheet is great! Banners were always my weakness because Empire didn't have any transfers in 6-8th edition and I couldn't free hand a squat.

Well, of course not. Squats are in Necromunda not Old World.

**Kroem**

I was just checking out the Warriors of Chaos box for Christmas and it seems a bit of a weird collection?
I thought marauders were the basis of any Chaos army but the box has none!
Also two regiments of Chaos knights when my understanding is that even 1 is a heavy points sink in a 1500 point army?

**lord_blackfang**

Amazing transfer sheet indeed

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Yeah Arcane Journal is defiantly a buy. I'd need to see closer pics of that transfer sheet as I just stripped my old BSB and any excuse I can use to not have to paint another banner I will take.

I do want more Pistoliers but even after a year I'm still not done refreshing my Empire army so Im probably going to hold off on new units for the time being.

**Platuan4th**

Kroem wrote:

I thought marauders were the basis of any Chaos army but the box has none!

It's always been players choice whether they wanted to concentrate on Warriors or Marauders.

Personally, I've never used Marauders until the Sea Wolves list.

**BorderCountess**

Platuan4th wrote:
Kroem wrote:

I thought marauders were the basis of any Chaos army but the box has none!

It's always been players choice whether they wanted to concentrate on Warriors or Marauders.

Personally, I've never used Marauders until the Sea Wolves list.

To me, basing the army around Marauders takes away what makes Chaos, Chaos. Marauders are more of a side dish in my opinion.