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 Hulksmash wrote:
They kinda of explain why they don't use fire on the Talking Dead.

Good to know they are checking this thread regularly and responding to our queries. What a company

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
They die after the walkers bite them....and eat them.

I bet they do, probably tons of dogs died trying to save their owners and getting caught themselves. A lot would have evaded the walkers though being fitter, faster and more agile. I don't expect many cats got eaten either. Lack of food is a good point, but I would expect some of the survivors to have had dogs. Either their own or ones they'd found along the way. Actually that might explain the lack of dogs - the survivors ate them before learning how to hunt wild animals.

cadbren wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
They die after the walkers bite them....and eat them.

I bet they do, probably tons of dogs died trying to save their owners and getting caught themselves. A lot would have evaded the walkers though being fitter, faster and more agile. I don't expect many cats got eaten either. Lack of food is a good point, but I would expect some of the survivors to have had dogs. Either their own or ones they'd found along the way. Actually that might explain the lack of dogs - the survivors ate them before learning how to hunt wild animals.

Well that and dogs basically attract walkers. Most dogs, even trained guard dogs, their first response to anything is to bark and make lots of noise. This would attract the walkers and be a bad thing.

cadbren wrote:
While not shown they must have taken all the available food from Woodbury with them. Now that place seemed to be operating close to modern standards of living so their food supply must have been pretty good. A town like that would also have had fruit trees and home gardens producing fruit and vegetables.
I would hope that that food supply is still being looked after by teams of people.

Where are the animals though? Some pigs were found and there's a horse, but no cows? I'd at least expect a dog or two. Maybe they die after biting the walkers?

Woodbury was a very nice place to live in a appoclypse - hope all the people dragged off to the prison are enjoying the contrast

In the recent episode:

cadbren wrote:
While not shown they must have taken all the available food from Woodbury with them. Now that place seemed to be operating close to modern standards of living so their food supply must have been pretty good. A town like that would also have had fruit trees and home gardens producing fruit and vegetables.
I would hope that that food supply is still being looked after by teams of people.

Where are the animals though? Some pigs were found and there's a horse, but no cows? I'd at least expect a dog or two. Maybe they die after biting the walkers?

Thats also a jump the shark. Why did they leave Woodbury? Just go there.

But yes, the above post about inventories etc are correct. At this point they should be expanding, pushing the walkers back with new walls and systems.

Aside of being really violent, thought the way the 'new character wing' in the prison got hit hard in the last episode pretty amusing.

Has anyone here read the comic and can answer:
a) is the show following the plot of the comic closely?
b) If so, is this going to become 'The Waltons with zombies' like season 2, with lots of sitting around talking and less forward progress of plot?

 Pacific wrote:
Aside of being really violent, thought the way the 'new character wing' in the prison got hit hard in the last episode pretty amusing.

Has anyone here read the comic and can answer:
a) is the show following the plot of the comic closely?
b) If so, is this going to become 'The Waltons with zombies' like season 2, with lots of sitting around talking and less forward progress of plot?

The show runners are moving away from the comic.

 Pacific wrote:
Aside of being really violent, thought the way the 'new character wing' in the prison got hit hard in the last episode pretty amusing.

Has anyone here read the comic and can answer:
a) is the show following the plot of the comic closely?
b) If so, is this going to become 'The Waltons with zombies' like season 2, with lots of sitting around talking and less forward progress of plot?

A lot is different.

The war between Woodbury and the prison is totally different. In the comic Woodbury uses an armoured vehicle to crash through the prison fences letting the walkers in while shooting at the people inside from a distance. A lot of people die and the prison is abandoned. Rick's wife Lori is still alive at this point but is shot while running away. The shot kills her and the baby she has in her arms. After the battle is over the people from Woodbury realise that they've been lied to about the people in the prison. The woman who shot Lori is angry that she was tricked into shooting a baby - she kills the Governor.

So the Governor is dead, Woodbury is still populated and the prison is deserted. No super virus either and Andrea (the one who died in the chair at the end of the last season) is still alive having never had anything to do with the Govenor in the comic.

I love the comic - the tV show is different in so many ways which I think is intentional - its a bit like an alt reality

 Pacific wrote:
Aside of being really violent, thought the way the 'new character wing' in the prison got hit hard in the last episode pretty amusing.

Has anyone here read the comic and can answer:
a) is the show following the plot of the comic closely?
b) If so, is this going to become 'The Waltons with zombies' like season 2, with lots of sitting around talking and less forward progress of plot?

At this point they're being different from the comic just as some sort of principle. Can't tell you where its going plot or theme wise.

Thanks guys, that's interesting. Hopefully the script writers still have some sort of vision though, and the studio execs some balls, and we will get a story arc (rather than it being cancelled because of dropping viewing figures or it just fizzling out and with no proper conclusion.)

I believe this is the highest rated TV show on cable. It's broken all kinds of viewership records so it'll be around a while I think.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I believe this is the highest rated TV show on cable. It's broken all kinds of viewership records so it'll be around a while I think.

Oh yeah, the show is beating the NFL, which is pretty big!

Whoa, I didn't know that. That's like be bigger than Jesus and The Beatles combined!


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Anyway, I actually just to watching the last episode now. I'm glad they didn't drag out the mystery. It seemed pretty obvious to me that the murder was Carol.

Also, that disastrous field trip was to get antibiotics which would be useless. Antibiotics are for Bacteria and a flu-Ebola super-virus would be a....virus.

Regarding the virus...yeah.

Wouldn't it be better for them to find a zombie that had the "super-flu" (ie the ones outside that are bleeding from the eyes) and take a swab of the blood to get a form of the dead "super-flu" and use it to inoculate the people?

Kind of like so.

It's better if the goal is to make sure the entire prison population dies, if that's what you mean.

Then again, we're talking about a show with doctors who think antibiotics will kill a virus, so sure, it's bound to work.

I really enjoyed the last episode, especially the giant horde of walkers at the end which helped reinforce the that the zombies will be a bigger threat this season than the governor/other survivors.

 gorgon wrote:
It's better if the goal is to make sure the entire prison population dies, if that's what you mean.

Then again, we're talking about a show with doctors who think antibiotics will kill a virus, so sure, it's bound to work.

With the video above, you had ~2% chance of dying from inoculation(controlled infection) vs a ~30% of dying from said virus itself (smallpox). Seeing that through out history that is how some areas have survived plauges/epidemics i'd take the chance with the controlled infection rather than the "Wait it out" method.

And a 100% chance of becoming a zombie.

Out of interest, is the show even bothering to try make an acknowledgement to natural laws, in regard to how the zombies are still moving about? OK, I know the whole concept of the way the zombies come into being makes zero sense (I'm guessing hell is full?) but for some reason I'm finding my suspension of disbelief stretched thin by the fact that the zombies seem to be able to still operate, now some time after their initial appearance.

Presumably they have obtained food from cattle/livestock and other animals, but they don't seem to have a fondness for processed foods, and you can't think that (bearing in mind the population of the US) the zombies in the city areas would have kept going for very long. So, solar powered? Wind? Drawing water through their feet? I kind of liked the end of 28 Days Later for that reason, although realise that that film had at least made a passing attempt to based on scientific rationale.

Suppose it's kind of like that Warhammer High Elf flying chariot; for some reason I can think 'that's fine' to the concept of a chariot, carrying elves, to be carried through the air by a giant bird. But, I find it ridiculous that the crew members would be so obviously whip-lashed from the back of the vehicle!

It's a zombie show... A wizard did it.

Why are they using a car when the chances are great that they're going to need to go offroad to avoid trouble or even junk on the roads?
And gee what happens? They get stuck on a bunch of moving road impediments. Congrats on Darryl not actually looking at where he's driving too, couldn't the passenger have played with the radio? Couldn't they have pulled over to ensure that if it was a local signal they wouldn't lose it?
Loved the herd, about time we saw some slow and purposeful come to call.

Do we think they'll now place barricades to break the herd up and funnel them away from the general location of the prison or do you think they'll ignore the herd and wait for it to show up?

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
And a 100% chance of becoming a zombie.

And deserving it for trying something so dumb.

@Pacific -- I'm with you. I don't get the growing zombie horde at this point in time. It seems like too many fresh zombies. Maybe the math works out, I dunno.

And Hershel almost gave them a good way out of it, too. He said it's not the flu that kills, but the symptoms. Which is right, in a way. So if they found a cistern truck full of NyQuil (I can dream), to keep their sinuses clear, their mucus liquid enough and the fever down, they could ride it out... and be really chill about it, too.

But I guess that would make for boring tv.

 gorgon wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
And a 100% chance of becoming a zombie.

And deserving it for trying something so dumb.

@Pacific -- I'm with you. I don't get the growing zombie horde at this point in time. It seems like too many fresh zombies. Maybe the math works out, I dunno.

If the new "super-flu" is a 100% fatality rate from "Normal" infection. A 1 in a million chance that it will work (Which through out the history of viruses, its worked with smallpox and other various viruses, hell what do you think a flu shot is? its a weakened or dead form of the virus injected into your body as a controlled infection).

A.) Everyone is already infected with the zombie virus, so regardless of how you die your a zombie
B.) 100% fatality rate from the "Super-Flu"

So your choice is:
an extreme longshot of a controlled infection working(1 in a million) vs. a 100% chance of death.

Also lets see what they are doing on the show.

-We don't know who isn't infected.
-people who have symptons are seperated (good move)
-People who aren't are all piled in the same god dam room (really????)
-Carl who has been outside the entire time, so lets put him in the room with people who may or may not be infected, instead of outside away from everyone
applies to maggie, maggie's sister, Baby.
-Lets drink unboiled water from a water source thats full of dead bodies + lets leave the water source near gak that rodents can climb up and infect...............................
-All of the Pigs are dead so lets burn this Pigpen down instead of using the wood for other things such as a fire when they needed it or to help strengthen the fence.
-They constantly go to all former military locations that are still filled with food and yet never find medical supplies or equipment? They need to search for the people who have so much food that they only take the medical supplies and equipment.
-We could make the Prison into a fort but na some things are more important than others. BBQ Pit, drinking unclean water, electric razors, comic books>>> Making the farm larger, reinforcing the fence, gathering medical supplies/emergency food supplies, Taking the time to boil the water.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
And Hershel almost gave them a good way out of it, too. He said it's not the flu that kills, but the symptoms. Which is right, in a way. So if they found a cistern truck full of NyQuil (I can dream), to keep their sinuses clear, their mucus liquid enough and the fever down, they could ride it out... and be really chill about it, too.

But I guess that would make for boring tv.

According to the group, Being lazy is more important than Doing something.

I realise the realism is restricted somewhat to how much they're prepared to pay for extras but surely even a token guy walking in front of the camera with a basket of fruit wouldn't break the budget? Something to show that the other people in the prison aren't just there until they can be stuffed into the mouths of walkers at some point.

We don't know if the new virus has a 100% fatality rate yet.

We do know Zombie virus has 100% Zombie creation rate.

So... last weekend's episode...

 whembly wrote:
So... last weekend's episode...

Spoiler:

My DVR chopped off the late 15 minutes or so of the show. I think it was where after Carol fixed the pump hose on the other side of the fence.



Anyhoo... anyone wanna confirm or deny that Carol was the one who killed/burned the two infected folks? Seems awfully telegraphed. o.O

Yeah she admitted it