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cadbren wrote:
Where did the tank come from as I thought the US military no longer used Pattons? Shouldn't it be an Abrams?

While we don't know the make up of the camp, is there some fuel dump there to keep the thing going?

Patton? It may actually be a 60 which would still be around in some guard units potentially. I don't think we ever permanently mothballed them, just stored them. Fun fact, the US actually made a heavy before the M-1. It looked like the M60 but with very heavy armor.

M60 is just an advanced version of the M48.
http://www.battletanks.com/m60_mbt.htm

I assumed that it was an M60. Although my understanding is that the M60 has totally been replaced by M-1s even in National Guard units. I could be wrong

The answer may simply be that they have the tank that the producers could get cheaply.

The answer may simply be that they have the tank that the producers could get cheaply.

BINGO!

PhantomViper wrote:
So suspension of disbelief is just not your thing or do you really like to nitpick minor things in this show?

Because if you are going that route there are much bigger plot holes to complain about.

Awesome.

This apocalypse doesn't seem to bad. Food, water, ammo and gas are plentiful. Everyone pretty much drives everywhere.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
This apocalypse doesn't seem to bad. Food, water, ammo and gas are plentiful. Everyone pretty much drives everywhere.

When the vast majority of the populace is dead or shambling around eating brains, it leaves a lot of goods available for everyone else. Depending on how fast stuff went down determines exactly how much of a surplus there'd be.

PhantomViper wrote:

cadbren wrote:
Where did the tank come from as I thought the US military no longer used Pattons? Shouldn't it be an Abrams?

While we don't know the make up of the camp, is there some fuel dump there to keep the thing going?

So suspension of disbelief is just not your thing or do you really like to nitpick minor things in this show?

Because if you are going that route there are much bigger plot holes to complain about.

I love nitpicking minor things - and major ones. How about joining the conversation and telling us about some of the major holes that you've thought of.

As for the tank, I did want to know from a curiosity pov as there are active and retired service people on DakkaDakka who might know.

I like to think about my entertainment somewhat rather than be all spoonfed-like and leave it at that, it helps me enjoy the setting more.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


My theory...

Spoiler:

The Hunters. The gang of cannibals from the comics, who attack Dale and amputate his leg for food.

That would be a great twist. I don't read the comic, so I'm not watching the show from that standpoint. I'd like to see it become the case on the show.

...led by Carol

cadbren wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

cadbren wrote:
Where did the tank come from as I thought the US military no longer used Pattons? Shouldn't it be an Abrams?

While we don't know the make up of the camp, is there some fuel dump there to keep the thing going?

So suspension of disbelief is just not your thing or do you really like to nitpick minor things in this show?

Because if you are going that route there are much bigger plot holes to complain about.

I love nitpicking minor things - and major ones. How about joining the conversation and telling us about some of the major holes that you've thought of.

As for the tank, I did want to know from a curiosity pov as there are active and retired service people on DakkaDakka who might know.

I like to think about my entertainment somewhat rather than be all spoonfed-like and leave it at that, it helps me enjoy the setting more.

The timeline has advanced what? Close to 2 years since Rick woke up?

Practically all the cars that they find are still running without any problems when in reality a car that isn't run regularly would find its battery dead, its tires deteriorated (not to mention without any air), and even its fuels should have gone bad by now (gasoline only has a shelf life of about 1 year).
All the non-canned food and medicines should have expired by now, yet just this last episode we are treated to images of people drinking cans of still foaming beer.
There is not one, but two deadly viruses rampant, but the second one, despite killing a seemingly healthy person in a couple of days and spreading like wildfire, is easily defeated by the human body's defences if you just treat a couple of the symptoms.
In the last episode there was an entire camp of people killed by gunfire, but despite being in the vicinity (they were walking everywhere), none of the protagonists hear a single thing.

And like these there are allot more...

The show decided to not address how difficult life is in the Apocalypse and more on who The Governor is sleeping with currently. Anyway, looks like we'll finally be done with all that next episode with a very special season 3 finale do-over episode.

Otherwise you'll have a more to complain about like how the only thing that requires more than the staggering amount of diesel it takes to run a tank is using a tank to just scare people a bit and then drive it back.

 Khornholio wrote:

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


My theory...

Spoiler:

The Hunters. The gang of cannibals from the comics, who attack Dale and amputate his leg for food.

That would be a great twist. I don't read the comic, so I'm not watching the show from that standpoint. I'd like to see it become the case on the show.

...led by Carol

That made me choke. Now THAT would an ironic twist. Carol on a meat only diet.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The show decided to not address how difficult life is in the Apocalypse and more on who The Governor is sleeping with currently. Anyway, looks like we'll finally be done with all that next episode with a very special season 3 finale do-over episode.

Otherwise you'll have a more to complain about like how the only thing that requires more than the staggering amount of diesel it takes to run a tank is using a tank to just scare people a bit and then drive it back.

I don't know if that was a reply to my post, but I literally couldn't care less about all the plot holes in the show that are like the ones that I mentioned.

As long as the story universe maintains a decent semblance of internal coherency I can happily ignore all these little inconsistencies. To me a TV show is like someone telling a story, if the author decides to embellish the story a little (by making guns have infinite ammo until they don't because a plot point needs to be made, for example), or ignore details that don't enhance that story (like the fact that no one ever goes to the bathroom in these shows), that doesn't detract anything from the story being told.

TV shows and movies are brainless entertainment, if you start thinking too much about the details then the whole immersive experience that they are supposed to provide falls apart... If I wan't a way to pass the time that requires actual thinking then I'll go read a book or play a game.

PhantomViper wrote:
Practically all the cars that they find are still running without any problems when in reality a car that isn't run regularly would find its battery dead, its tires deteriorated (not to mention without any air), and even its fuels should have gone bad by now (gasoline only has a shelf life of about 1 year).
All the non-canned food and medicines should have expired by now, yet just this last episode we are treated to images of people drinking cans of still foaming beer.
There is not one, but two deadly viruses rampant, but the second one, despite killing a seemingly healthy person in a couple of days and spreading like wildfire, is easily defeated by the human body's defences if you just treat a couple of the symptoms.

They show the cars that work most of the time and have shown the ones that don't as well (dead batteries, bad tires, etc) a couple times. Canned food might expire but it doesn't mean you can't eat it after the expiration date. Most expiration dates benefit the food creation industry and not public health. As for Gasoline only having a shelf life of a year, I find that interesting since my lawn mower gas gets refilled about once every 1-2 years and it still works. I think you may be overestimating how much things deteriorate.

As for diseases, the symptoms are literally what kill you in most cases. Generally, it is your immune system going into overdrive to burn it out and killing you in the process.

cadbren wrote:
Where did the tank come from as I thought the US military no longer used Pattons? Shouldn't it be an Abrams?

While we don't know the make up of the camp, is there some fuel dump there to keep the thing going?

I have to agree. I was surprised to see a tank that's been out of service in the US for nearly 20 years.

Not only that...but the amount of fuel that those things guzzle...where is all that coming from?

I know...I know...suspension of disbelief...but still, there are just some things that are a little hard to swallow.

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I knew the Governor couldn't change, he's just too far gone for any hope of redemption.

PhantomViper wrote:
To me a TV show is like someone telling a story, if the author decides to embellish the story a little (by making guns have infinite ammo until they don't because a plot point needs to be made, for example),

Late this season Rick will run into a character called Eugene Porter. In the comics, Rick has Eugene manufacturing home made bullets to supply the resistance against Negan. I expect this will be the plot point you're referring to.

PhantomViper wrote:

The timeline has advanced what? Close to 2 years since Rick woke up?

Practically all the cars that they find are still running without any problems when in reality a car that isn't run regularly would find its battery dead, its tires deteriorated (not to mention without any air), and even its fuels should have gone bad by now (gasoline only has a shelf life of about 1 year).

I've used old fuel in my mower quite happily. I suspect the shelf life is more to do with optimum use rather than becoming useless - it's still a liquid hydrocarbon and capable of combusting.

All the non-canned food and medicines should have expired by now, yet just this last episode we are treated to images of people drinking cans of still foaming beer.

As you say though, non-canned foods have expired and beer is a canned product. I found a can of beer under my house which I suspect dated from the 1980s as it was with a newspaper from that time and the can was an old type. I wasn't prepared to drink it though the can itself was well preserved with minimal rust from sitting on clay for a few decades.
I can't comment on medical supplies except to say that they all have expiry dates though I would think that medication stored in airtight containers would still offer some benefit long after those dates came and went.

There is not one, but two deadly viruses rampant, but the second one, despite killing a seemingly healthy person in a couple of days and spreading like wildfire, is easily defeated by the human body's defences if you just treat a couple of the symptoms.

It seems unlikely that they would be able to effect a cure without the services of a medical lab and someone trained to use one, something your average doctor is not capable of, let alone a veterinarian or medic. In such a situation I would think that everyone who wasn't immune would die, or if no one was immune then they'd all die.

In the last episode there was an entire camp of people killed by gunfire, but despite being in the vicinity (they were walking everywhere), none of the protagonists hear a single thing.

I had a problem with that too. I decided that the attackers must have used quieter weapons of some kind such as arrows, something the Governor hints at, at the end when he's talking about conserving the ammunition for facing people.
They would have collected the arrows at the end like we've seen Daryl do so as to recycle them.

I think though that it's a lot less than two years.
Lori got pregnant outside of Atlanta right? She was not sure if it was Rick's or Shane's so I guess it happened not long after Rick woke up. So when she gave birth at the prison, 9 months had passed. How much time has passed since then? Not a year, maybe a couple of months. That would suggest that the zombie infection has been around for a little over a year.


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 TheMeanDM wrote:

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I knew the Governor couldn't change, he's just too far gone for any hope of redemption.

I'm just wondering how many more will join his new fishtank in the lake?

 TheMeanDM wrote:

cadbren wrote:
Where did the tank come from as I thought the US military no longer used Pattons? Shouldn't it be an Abrams?

While we don't know the make up of the camp, is there some fuel dump there to keep the thing going?

I have to agree. I was surprised to see a tank that's been out of service in the US for nearly 20 years.

Not only that...but the amount of fuel that those things guzzle...where is all that coming from?

I know...I know...suspension of disbelief...but still, there are just some things that are a little hard to swallow.

* * * * *

I knew the Governor couldn't change, he's just too far gone for any hope of redemption.

^^ Don't watch 'A bridge too far'. When the Waffen SS show up in 1970s Leopard Tanks the whole movie kind of whimpers over the suspension of disbelief line. (...Or maybe the Nazis did have a working Time machine?!) Still a rad movie though.

'A Bridge Too Far'? Sounds like the real thing compared to 'The Norseman' starring Lee Majors. That and 'Pathfinder' would be a close race for the worst viking film ever. They even had a black viking called Thrall, which means slave.

Yup, these guys are what I think of when the word viking comes up.

^^ I hope that helmet gave him magical powers.

I think you need the Spear that goes with the Magic Helmet to truly benefit from all the powers....

Feck me. That was a horrible episode.

So was Carol just covering for that creepy girl? I get the feeling the creepy kid killed those people.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
So was Carol just covering for that creepy girl? I get the feeling the creepy kid killed those people.

I think she's the one playing with the rats.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
So was Carol just covering for that creepy girl? I get the feeling the creepy kid killed those people.

Thats highly likely...



Hopefully Carol will return. If it turns out she didn't do it and was just covering for Lizzie, then I think Carol will take on the traits and character arc of the comic book Andrea (one of the most popular characters in the comics).


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Also, did anyone notice the female Walker that the camera lingered on, right after Lilly shoots the Governor?

I'm pretty sure that was the crazy Irish (?) lady that Rick met in the woods who tried to kill him and feed him to her dead husband's decapitated head.

When she stabbed herself, she asked Rick not to dispose of her corpse so that she'd reanimate.



And it seems the show is catching up to the Comics very fast.

MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW

For the second half of this season, we (possibly) have:



Next season (5) will probably focus on Volume 16 (A Larger World), 17 (Something to Fear) and 18 (What Comes After). of the comics.



Season 6 will probably focus on Volume 19 (March to War) and 20 (All Out War).



I think TWD will be facing the same potential dilemma as Game of Thrones. The tv show might actually catch up to and overtake the comics. Unless they drag the show out with lots of filler content throughout Seasons 5 and 6, then I think Season 7 may the point at which the show overtakes the comics.

Good episode. That's what the last season finale should have been. Though there's a lot of differences obviously but this was fairly accurate to the comic in it's intensity and result. Should be interesting to see where they go from here.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Good episode. That's what the last season finale should have been. Though there's a lot of differences obviously but this was fairly accurate to the comic in it's intensity and result. Should be interesting to see where they go from here.

No, I think its a good idea that they dragged it out. If they hadn't stretched the Governor storyline out over two Seasons, then they would probably be catching up to and overtaking the comics by next Season. See my previous post.

Though the way they did it could have been done better.

ummm.... I fail to see how the little girl bludgeoned to death two people three times her size/weight and dragged them out to be burnt...

carol killed em.. if she was just covering for the girl, she wouldnt have bothered to fess up.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Good episode. That's what the last season finale should have been. Though there's a lot of differences obviously but this was fairly accurate to the comic in it's intensity and result. Should be interesting to see where they go from here.

No, I think its a good idea that they dragged it out. If they hadn't stretched the Governor storyline out over two Seasons, then they would probably be catching up to and overtaking the comics by next Season. See my previous post.

Though the way they did it could have been done better.

I disagree about it being dragged out being a good thing. At this pace it wouldn't overtake the comic until at least season 9 and even if it did it doesn't matter. It's 98% different anyway so the show has already gone it's own way anyway. This is basically the climax of the comic series and now the show can and should go in a 100% different direction. Just fully embrace it's a different entity now.

 easysauce wrote:
ummm.... I fail to see how the little girl bludgeoned to death two people three times her size/weight and dragged them out to be burnt...

carol killed em.. if she was just covering for the girl, she wouldnt have bothered to fess up.

The kid has a knife. Shes obsessed with Walkers. She probably slit their throats so that they'd come back as Walkers. In her sick twisted mind she probably thinks shes doing them a favour.

Carol found out and covered for her by burning the corpses. Carol is Lizzie's de facto Guardian, and her motherly instincts compel her to protect Lizzie, Carol doesn't want to lose another girl like she did Sophia, so she claimed credit for the murders to protect Lizzie from Tyreese's wrath, and to prevent Lizzie being cast out or punished (what are they gonna do, get her a psychiatrist?).




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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I disagree about it being dragged out being a good thing. At this pace it wouldn't overtake the comic until at least season 9 and even if it did it doesn't matter. It's 98% different anyway so the show has already gone it's own way anyway. This is basically the climax of the comic series and now the show can and should go in a 100% different direction. Just fully embrace it's a different entity now.

Well, I think its a good thing if they still intend to follow the general arc of the Comics. If they now decide to veer off into original, uncharted territory then that could work I suppose. Though I'll be disappointed if we don't get to see Negan.

 easysauce wrote:
ummm.... I fail to see how the little girl bludgeoned to death two people three times her size/weight and dragged them out to be burnt...

carol killed em.. if she was just covering for the girl, she wouldnt have bothered to fess up.

Two very sick people, dragging them might have been with the help of Carol who caught her in the act.