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Same here!

And the books actually do make you like Negan 'later on' after 'you know what' as well - and that's a pretty impressive feat.

I agree as well that Jeffrey Dean Morgan IS doing a good job presenting the Negan that the writers are giving him and us, but it is just that we wish it made more...sense?

It's all because Negan can't swear! This is a parallel dimension where no cussing is allowed and not being able to vent like that has driven Negan 100% completely insane!

 Alpharius wrote:
She was pissed that the Saviors took all of their mattresses and then just burned them by the side of the road.

They did it just to make them uncomfortable at 'home' - they didn't need/want them themselves.

Thank you for explaining that.

Watched that scene a couple of times and couldn't quite figure out what it was on the side of the road

What did you guys think this week?

 Ratius wrote:
What did you guys think this week?

it was OK. the fight scene at the hilltop seemed off to me. it didn't look or sound like previous battles.

and again with foreshadowing with a brick to the head. "I can think of who I'd want to lead us"

I thought carl should have went on his truck ride last week, instead of coming in from the hilltop. because the trucks form alexandria had more interesting toys.

As a comic reader who was expecting most of the events in this episode, pretty boring.

The most interesting thing I took away from this is that Carl and Jesus are going to the Sanctuary together. Thats thrown a wrench in the works - in the comics, they both made their separate way there.

[Not really a spoiler as this describes either past events that the show has skipped over or already adapted into something different.]




Is Jesus going to try to stop Carl doing what Carl is planning to do?


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I thought carl should have went on his truck ride last week, instead of coming in from the hilltop. because the trucks form alexandria had more interesting toys.

I would have loved to see Carl get his hands on that rocket launcher.

Thought it was ok myself. Found the zombie attack a bit of "hey this episode needs something - chuck in a zombie fight?".
Interested in the Carl/Jesus angle, could be a cool if done right. Especially if the army girl is also going to attack Negan and Sashas planning something too.
Sort of like the assassin kill team going after Horus

I'd point out that Maggie doesn't know that Jesus is going g to the savior hq. Sasha sent him.

I'm not getting as broken Rick this time as last. I feel like it's just the numbers game doesn't work but once it does he'll be all in.

I didn't read this far in the comics so I thought it was a good episode. I liked how they highlighted the peoplease in hilltop already reacting to Maggie as a leader.

Oops, of course. Thanks for correcting that.

I was lucky enough to be drawn into the comics a couple of years back as a Savior and the same scene will be in the show at some point during the next couple of weeks so I am interested in seeing which TV Savior take my place.

The wiki page has me linked to the Savior of the same name so I wonder if it will be them.

Aeneades wrote:
I was lucky enough to be drawn into the comics a couple of years back as a Savior and the same scene will be in the show at some point during the next couple of weeks so I am interested in seeing which TV Savior take my place.

The wiki page has me linked to the Savior of the same name so I wonder if it will be them.

That's cool, would have been cool if they used you as an extra in the show too.

That would have been amazing but I would never have expected them to do that due to legal issues with screen acting guild rules and visa issues. Charles Adlard was kind enough to give me the original sketch art which was a big enough bonus, I did try to buy the actual comic page art but one of the creators or editors had kept it.

Are you 'still alive' in the comics at this point?

Bit of a plodding episode.

Liked the Proto Negan and reinforced that simply killing the main man would not help - they would slaughter those who did it and then likely fall into civil war.

Amused by the ninja Zombie sneaking up on Enid on a bike and then Carl's stealth car doing the same. Good to see someone actually using bikes to get about.

I liked how they highlighted the peoplease in hilltop already reacting to Maggie as a leader.

I was disapointed by how little reaction we got from the people of Hilltop - just the dick leader and Jesus.

Also amusing how Rick adn co still have are not carrying any melee weapons with reach apart from Micholene - even after seeing the spears at hilltop.

It is more and more a post appoclaypse show with occassional zombies which is not a bad thing.

Mixed bag. Enid is still annoying, but at least less blatantly suicidal/dangerous. Carl still needs a haircut

I agree it seems to be rehashing broken Rick, which sucks, and Negan is coming across as a one dimensional jerk ass bad guy, which also sucks. Especially given how the Governor was more nuanced early on.

The Hilltop attack was kind of weird. Seems like a lot of effort and wasted resources. Nice to see Jesus get some screentime, but not sure how they are going to introduce Mags as a leader when she has to stay incognito.

Was never a reader of the comic but you couldn't escape the Negan hype during the past few seasons. I think the actor who plays him is very talented, but he (and many other characters) are being let down by shoddy writing. Examples being Morgan and Carol constantly going 180 degrees and then back again, killer, pacifist, killer, pacifist... The season is moving at a snails pace, the extended premiere was disappointing and IMO the show hasn't really picked up the pace at all since. Episode 5 was basically just episode 4 but set in the Hilltop instead of Alexandria, more of the same - survivors cowering while the Saviors act menacing and play pointless psychological games. I understand they might still believe Alexandria has some resistance left but the Saviors know they broke the Hilltop a long time ago, why torment them further? Seems very counterproductive. Some good stuff this week from Jesus, Enid and Carl. Maggie and Sasha have been the height of tedium for over a season now, I was hoping we'd say goodbye to at least one of them in the premiere. They get a lot of screen time for what amounts to almost no character development, meanwhile interesting characters languish in the background - Aaron and Eric have had maybe 2 lines in 5 episodes, Eugene is barely even seen. I think Dwight, Sherry and Rosita have some real promise this season but I also doubt they'll all live to see season 8.

Another issue I have with the writing is it's becoming more difficult to suspend my disbelief at some of the situations the characters end up in. Take Daryl, Rosita, Michonne and Glenn being captured by the Saviors. Here we have 3 members of Ricks inner circle and Rosita, who has proven to be a highly capable survivor herself, engaging in a vocal argument in the woods, nobody keeps watch all the attention is on the argument. We're years into the apocalypse now, rookie mistakes like this should not be happening. Of course, in this particular grove of trees there's a group of Saviors (surprise) led by none other than Daryl's friend Dwight... Who also ambushed them the previous week in basically the exact same scenario! How unconvincing... Next are the defenses at Alexandria. No towers, limited ramparts, it seems they almost never have anyone on watch. The first sign that the Saviors had arrived in episode 4 was Negan knocking on the gate... A decent perimeter could have annihilated Negan and a huge amount of his crew in seconds, sure Daryl was with them but the Alexandrians wouldn't have known that.

Honestly the way the Saviors were handled has made me lose a lot of interest in the show, they're just being shoehorned in everywhere my eyes get tired from rolling back so often. Aaron had been regularly searching for other communities to trade with, wandering all the way into Virginia to find Ricks group and yet somehow missing both the Hilltop and the Sanctuary. Jesus said he could get Rick to Hilltop from Alexandria "in half a day", but this week we see that Hilltop is actually within a few hours walk of Alexandria, the Sanctuary is apparently 6 miles from Hilltop so another few hours walk, tops. How did he miss not only these communities but also the roving bands of Saviors, of which there appear to be many separate groups. Now that the cat is out of the bag the Saviors seem to be everywhere all the time. Every time a character leaves their community they encounter Saviors like clockwork. Last season the Saviors folded like wet cardboard in every encounter, now they're this unstoppable horde. Wut?

IMO Fear TWD has been much more entertaining this year than the original.

 MarsNZ wrote:
Was never a reader of the comic but you couldn't escape the Negan hype during the past few seasons. I think the actor who plays him is very talented, but he (and many other characters) are being let down by shoddy writing. Examples being Morgan and Carol constantly going 180 degrees and then back again, killer, pacifist, killer, pacifist... The season is moving at a snails pace, the extended premiere was disappointing and IMO the show hasn't really picked up the pace at all since. Episode 5 was basically just episode 4 but set in the Hilltop instead of Alexandria, more of the same - survivors cowering while the Saviors act menacing and play pointless psychological games. I understand they might still believe Alexandria has some resistance left but the Saviors know they broke the Hilltop a long time ago, why torment them further? Seems very counterproductive. Some good stuff this week from Jesus, Enid and Carl. Maggie and Sasha have been the height of tedium for over a season now, I was hoping we'd say goodbye to at least one of them in the premiere. They get a lot of screen time for what amounts to almost no character development, meanwhile interesting characters languish in the background - Aaron and Eric have had maybe 2 lines in 5 episodes, Eugene is barely even seen. I think Dwight, Sherry and Rosita have some real promise this season but I also doubt they'll all live to see season 8.

Another issue I have with the writing is it's becoming more difficult to suspend my disbelief at some of the situations the characters end up in. Take Daryl, Rosita, Michonne and Glenn being captured by the Saviors. Here we have 3 members of Ricks inner circle and Rosita, who has proven to be a highly capable survivor herself, engaging in a vocal argument in the woods, nobody keeps watch all the attention is on the argument. We're years into the apocalypse now, rookie mistakes like this should not be happening. Of course, in this particular grove of trees there's a group of Saviors (surprise) led by none other than Daryl's friend Dwight... Who also ambushed them the previous week in basically the exact same scenario! How unconvincing... Next are the defenses at Alexandria. No towers, limited ramparts, it seems they almost never have anyone on watch. The first sign that the Saviors had arrived in episode 3 was Negan knocking on the gate... A decent perimeter could have annihilated Negan and a huge amount of his crew in seconds, sure Daryl was with them but the Alexandrians wouldn't have known that.

Honestly the way the Saviors were handled has made me lose a lot of interest in the show, they're just being shoehorned in everywhere my eyes get tired from rolling back so often. Aaron had been regularly searching for other communities to trade with, wandering all the way into Virginia to find Ricks group and yet somehow missing both the Hilltop and the Sanctuary. Jesus said he could get Rick to Hilltop from Alexandria "in half a day", but this week we see that Hilltop is actually within a few hours walk of Alexandria, the Sanctuary is apparently 6 miles from Hilltop so another few hours walk, tops. How did he miss not only these communities but also the roving bands of Saviors, of which there appear to be many separate groups. Now that the cat is out of the bag the Saviors seem to be everywhere all the time. Every time a character leaves their community they encounter Saviors like clockwork. Last season the Saviors folded like wet cardboard in every encounter, now they're this unstoppable horde. Wut?

IMO Fear TWD has been much more entertaining this year than the original.

Wow, has Fear the Walk Dead actualy become watchable after the truely dire first season!?

Lots of good points - Alexandria in the show has always been massively out of place in the world and made zero sense.

Ignoring Aeron and Eric was a shame but I guess they are not main cast so lucky they are still alive thus far.

I thought the small group of Saviours that captured Maggie, Carol and co would have been interesting characters and less black and white than who we have left.

Savious - like bad guys in most shows fluctuate from awesomely brilliant at everything to laughably inept depending on the plot requirements.

the saviors went after the hilltop because the outpost in charge of them were the ones rick killed. the saviors found alexandria and have been watching it. Negans no fool, anyone could have put that connection together. they captured rick because they knew he was heading to the hilltop. They might not have known why they were making this trip, but it was obvious the two groups were connected. So the hilltop needed reminding of their place in life, to ignore the hilltop and not punish them would only lead to more defiance from them.

I can't stand Fear TWD, I really just want all the cast to die and watching them wander around as zombies would be more entertaining to me.

 MarsNZ wrote:
this week we see that Hilltop is actually within a few hours walk of Alexandria

My impression was that Carl drove himself and Enid most of the way until the car broke down or something.

 Mr Morden wrote:


Wow, has Fear the Walk Dead actualy become watchable after the truely dire first season!?

Just my opinion, I know I'm in the minority but I actually quite liked both seasons. Seeing the apocalypse unfold rather than having the main protagonist wake up partway through was quite cool, sure it rehashed a lot of zombie fiction tropes but s1 of TWD was guilty of the same - hide in shopping mall, camp at quarry, flee to overrun government facility etc. The fact that the characters aren't cops/army and therefore aren't carrying an arsenal of firearms from day 1 is nice. Speaking of the army it was good to see the government response to the crisis, instead of showing abandoned military bases. I like that the protagonists quickly understood the reality that Rick took years to realise, the dead are only the secondary threat. I also like that they aren't struggling trying to be Good-Guy-Grimes in a world that really is just various different shades of evil. They also only take 2 episodes to realise that everyone turns, instead of 2 seasons.

Season 2 of Fear is light-years ahead of the snoozefest that was season 2 of TWD.

sirlynchmob wrote:
the saviors went after the hilltop because the outpost in charge of them were the ones rick killed.

If they had known the Hilltop was involved they would also have known that the outpost demanded Gregory's head, and yet they weren't phased by being greeted by Gregory.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


My impression was that Carl drove himself and Enid most of the way until the car broke down or something.

I figured they walked after Carl stacked the car trying to show off to Enid.

 MarsNZ wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Wow, has Fear the Walk Dead actualy become watchable after the truely dire first season!?

Just my opinion, I know I'm in the minority but I actually quite liked both seasons. Seeing the apocalypse unfold rather than having the main protagonist wake up partway through was quite cool, sure it rehashed a lot of zombie fiction tropes but s1 of TWD was guilty of the same - hide in shopping mall, camp at quarry, flee to overrun government facility etc. The fact that the characters aren't cops/army and therefore aren't carrying an arsenal of firearms from day 1 is nice. Speaking of the army it was good to see the government response to the crisis, instead of showing abandoned military bases. I like that the protagonists quickly understood the reality that Rick took years to realise, the dead are only the secondary threat. I also like that they aren't struggling trying to be Good-Guy-Grimes in a world that really is just various different shades of evil. They also only take 2 episodes to realise that everyone turns, instead of 2 seasons.

Season 2 of Fear is light-years ahead of the snoozefest that was season 2 of TWD.

Season 2 of TWD was also dire - very bad.

I had trouble finding a single character I liked in FTWD - the sister of the self obsessed, drug addict kid was Ok I guess but the rest I had no interest or empathy with.

 MarsNZ wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Wow, has Fear the Walk Dead actualy become watchable after the truely dire first season!?

Just my opinion, I know I'm in the minority but I actually quite liked both seasons. Seeing the apocalypse unfold rather than having the main protagonist wake up partway through was quite cool, sure it rehashed a lot of zombie fiction tropes but s1 of TWD was guilty of the same - hide in shopping mall, camp at quarry, flee to overrun government facility etc. The fact that the characters aren't cops/army and therefore aren't carrying an arsenal of firearms from day 1 is nice. Speaking of the army it was good to see the government response to the crisis, instead of showing abandoned military bases. I like that the protagonists quickly understood the reality that Rick took years to realise, the dead are only the secondary threat. I also like that they aren't struggling trying to be Good-Guy-Grimes in a world that really is just various different shades of evil. They also only take 2 episodes to realise that everyone turns, instead of 2 seasons.

Season 2 of Fear is light-years ahead of the snoozefest that was season 2 of TWD.

sirlynchmob wrote:
the saviors went after the hilltop because the outpost in charge of them were the ones rick killed.

If they had known the Hilltop was involved they would also have known that the outpost demanded Gregory's head, and yet they weren't phased by being greeted by Gregory.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:


My impression was that Carl drove himself and Enid most of the way until the car broke down or something.

I figured they walked after Carl stacked the car trying to show off to Enid.

but we really didn't see the military's response, they were winning and keeping the zombies at bay, then just went F it, took off and napalmed the place. They also decide to up and skip 2 weeks of the initial outbreak, which would have been the part I was more interested in.

it's hard to say what all information gets passed onto negan, but that whole sequence went down in a day. morning show up at the hilltop and stab the mayor, that night rick and company kill all of them. so negan might not have been aware of the asking for greg's head part, but when the outpost didn't deliever negans share, someone would investigate and realize all of them were dead and the weapons gone. The search of hilltop might also have been them making sure the hilltop didn't get any of the weapons.

Even if negan did know and was the one who wanted gregs head. It wouldn't be that surprising to see him alive after the events that happened.

they roller skated after the car, so that probably helped carl & enid get there faster.

Mr Morden wrote:

Season 2 of TWD was also dire - very bad.

I had trouble finding a single character I liked in FTWD - the sister of the self obsessed, drug addict kid was Ok I guess but the rest I had no interest or empathy with.

I couldn't agree more about TWD s2. I know S04E12 "Still" is often regarded as the worst episode ever but I can think of half a dozen episodes from season 2 that were IMO much worse.

My favourite from FTWD s1 was Daniel the former torturer from El Salvador. He saw the apocalypse for what it was almost instantly. Another thing I like about Fear is that it is one of the few zombie setting that aren't based wholly in the USA, the Mexico setting is quite refreshing. Yeah, 28 days/weeks is in the UK but that's a whole different type of zombie and one I'm not that interested in.

sirlynchmob wrote:
but we really didn't see the military's response, they were winning and keeping the zombies at bay, then just went F it, took off and napalmed the place. They also decide to up and skip 2 weeks of the initial outbreak, which would have been the part I was more interested in.

it's hard to say what all information gets passed onto negan, but that whole sequence went down in a day. morning show up at the hilltop and stab the mayor, that night rick and company kill all of them. so negan might not have been aware of the asking for greg's head part, but when the outpost didn't deliever negans share, someone would investigate and realize all of them were dead and the weapons gone. The search of hilltop might also have been them making sure the hilltop didn't get any of the weapons.

Even if negan did know and was the one who wanted gregs head. It wouldn't be that surprising to see him alive after the events that happened.

It showed a lot more of the military than TWD did, which amounted to abandoned hospitals and a handful of Nat.Guard getting slaughtered like lambs by the Governor. Fear showed the attempt to control the rioting population, the decision to euthanise survivors wholesale rather than risk them turning, the completely hopeless medical response, and the eventual breakdown of discipline and collapse of any organised effort. Not really sure what else you wanted to see.

Just my opinion though. Like I said I know I'm in the minority even though a lot of the criticism Fear gets seems to simply amount to "I don't like it" with very little elaboration.

The Saviors have been shown to be in constant contact via CB radio, Negan is informed of the escapee from the Sanctuary immediately. They would have known what was going on. The first time Dwight ambushes Daryl (demise of Denise) the Saviors had no idea where Alexandria was, Dwight demanded they take him there before Eugene sampled some sausage. I don't see how you figured that Alexandria was under surveillance. The Hilltop/outpost sequence actually starts at least 24 hours before you claim, as the Saviors were retaliating to what they saw as a light delivery - something I'm sure Negan would have been told about.

Also they were skating at barely walking speed. It's a moot point though, Enid walks to the gas station, Carl stacks the car, and they still arrive at the Hilltop by afternoon.

From the scene with carol, the savors recognize the car with spikes as being part of alexandrias defenses

Regarding Fear, I wasn't a big fan of the first season but did like the second. It got a lot better.

 Alpharius wrote:
Are you 'still alive' in the comics at this point?

I made it out of the issue alive and haven't appeared again since. I do still check the background characters in each issue just in case I turn up.

So...Oceanside has been introduced, an entire Season before I expected. That was a surprise.

Though I think we probably won't see them again this Season. Its just laying down some groundwork for next season, like the Season 3 episode 'Clear' when Morgan was brought back for one episode then we didn't see him again until Season 6.

Underwhelmed by the episode - a bti dull and overly drawn out.

Hoping the show improves next week.

Based on the promo and what I know happens next in the comics, I'm expecting the next episode to be somewhat action packed. Though they've repeatedly used misleading promos with footage that doesn't appear in the next episode but rather several episodes later. Its becoming very annoying.

I do not think this last episode will help TWD's rating's slide, that's for sure!

Pretty boring episode overall. Like I've been saying, I was hoping for explorations of a few really interesting, nuanced new communities this season. Instead I feel like they're just giving us a bunch of one-note, one-dimensional communities instead.

Here's hoping that next week's focus on the Saviors fixes this a bit, but I'm really just expecting for them to continue down the road of the Saviors being the simplistic 'big bad guys' that Carl and Jesus are trying to take down (or more likely just be caught and tortured by).