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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I liked it, first time the Cybermen have been threatening since.. well... ever really.
Kids did seem a bit tacked on I'll grant you, but the older one was at least funny.
... the phone thing.. significant or not ..
and as for the regen bit....
Spoiler:
One of the theories going round about the 50th special is that John Hurt will in fact play the actual 9th Dr., the one who fought in..or through/whatever the Time War , and this version was either forgotten or lost in time or somesuch.. so Eccleston was actually #10, with Tennant 11 and Smith #12.
So I'm unsure if the frequent references to and showing of his past lives we've seen is either a set up so people go wow over this or in fact rules this out.
has some truly mental sounding rumours about the plot of the last episode
I'll C & P the relevant bits
Spoiler:
likely you’ll skip this sentence than what follows.
So, River Song does speak the name of The Doctor. It’s not heard by us, the viewers, and the image is slowed down, too. As a result, his tomb opens, and inside are “strands of the Doctors timeline and history.”
The Great Intelligence walks into this and intercepts the Doctor’s life at multiple points, spoiling it:
through flashbacks we see his greatest victories over the years turn into defeats and dozens of regenerations that were never meant to be
This prompts Clara to go into the timestream too, and she becomes the one who dies, over and over and over, saving him… but not always saving him. The Eleventh Doctor is still dying.
Until River sacrifices herself. It sounds like pure Moffat-logic, but River’s erasure from time means she can never say his name, and so he’ll live.
It’s no coincidence that ‘timey wimey’ and ‘mumbo jumo’ both rhyme, is it?
But it is interesting, if it’s true, because it makes this third Clara, the one we met in The Bells of Saint John, a kind of Clara Prime, the original of all of the others, and that makes it well worth while that we’re spending all this time with her, and her with The Doctor.
.. blimey eh ?
sounds plausible enough .... maybe smacks a wee bit of Moffat putting away all his toys for a new 'runner to take over and do their own thing with .... ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I really enjoyed this episode as it showed the Cybermen as the implacable menace they should be. The only other time I felt that chill was in their first episode, if only for the one quote.
"You belong to us, you will become like us."
The kids seemed rather annoying, in fact.
The Doctor vs. Doctor was very well done.
I'm excited for the finale and perhaps we'll finally see the infamous explosion.
I dunno, there's always been something that's bugged me about Dr Who and its enemies. Why does everything need to be an 'impossible' threat? I mean, surely the cybermen would have been enough of a threat without having to add in super speed, immunity to wearpons, borg-like instant adaption etc etc
Also, are humans supposed to be immortal or something now, in that future? I thought they mentioned the war v the cybermen happening a thousand years ago?
EG, would it have been any less of a threat if the first ranks of cybermen had been defeated by the electrified moat, and then the later ranks walked over the ones before it?
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Because its fun. His enemies have been adapting. Also the cyber men have had millennia to perfect themselves. That would probably lead to upgrades.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I would assume the emperor gets all the equivalent rejuve treatments that the resources of a 1000 galaxies could buy. Thea rest of them not so much.
Automatically Appended Next Post: According to FB, they accidentally sent out DVDs of this season this week. BBC is asking anyone who got it not to release details.
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notprop wrote: Best episode of the series so far. Most enjoyable....best Warick Davies performance since Wicket!
Agreed, I was really happy to see Warwick Davis on the show, although him asking Clara to marry him was a bit out of the blue, but not enough to be episode breaking.
As for the kids, I had really hoped they'd not just be the annoying brats that got tagged along and would actually be decent characters and maybe even go back to the Doctor having more than just the 1 companion. I suppose that's expecting too much of Moffat though.
Otherwise an excellent episode as others have said, especially the Doctor's chess game. Would have been nice if the soldiers had actually had enough weaponry to put up a fight, because that would've made for some cool scenes.
Only thing that didn't make sense to me in the episode and was rather cliché was the cyber leader in the Doctor's head shut down all of the cybermen to try and work out the move, the Doctor's simple ploy fooling him.. would've expected it to just have the cybermen kill everyone and surround the Doctor and take him prisoner without any chance of fighting back. Of course, that wouldn't have been in the spirit of the show.
Darkvoidof40k wrote: Only thing that didn't make sense to me in the episode and was rather cliché was the cyber leader in the Doctor's head shut down all of the cybermen to try and work out the move, the Doctor's simple ploy fooling him..
That was a nod to a much earlier episode of old who. Big villains are always overconfident.
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This just happened.
I like how his outfit resembles a halfway point between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston, it adds to the theory that he's the real 9th Doctor.
Is anyone else of the opinion that they may use John Hurt to get a few extra regeneration of the Doctor? Sacrificing his remaining regenerations for Smith or something along those lines. Sounds like something Moffat might pull.
Having just watched the first Doctor Who I've seen in years (today's) I am glad I don't watch it. Especially when
Spoiler:
The Doctor comments on how the new Doctor gave up the name, then new Doctor is immediately introduced as The Doctor. It's just an odd choice.
Also I second the comments on the sonic screwdriver. To quote a favorite Youtuber of mine, The Doctor is a Deus Ex Machina, carrying a Deus Ex Machina, riding around in a Deus Ex Machina.
None of them have defined limits.
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Great episode, agreed about the whole rewriting time thing happening a bit too fast and being quite silly but I think the rest of the episode was awesome. Love the '9th regeneration' but not '9th Doctor' angle, does this mean we are really on twelve, or will they come up with an excuse for the extra regeneration?
4ourswords wrote: The Doctor is a Deus Ex Machina, carrying a Deus Ex Machina, riding around in a Deus Ex Machina
Yep, some episodes have been ruined by really rushed and boring endings where they solve all the problems instantly and everything is back to normal. I can put up with the Deus Ex Machinas when the rest of the episodes been good but I found with RTD period most of the episodes were ruined by this for me, less so with Moffat.
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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Grab your club, hit her over the head, and drag her back to your cave. The classics are classic for a reason.
Not quite - from what I remember is, that they used to have the limit imposed by the council and such, being the power to regenerate was drawn from was controlled by them (they could confer more as needed / wanted, but normally the limit was 12 regenerations).
Now that his people are gone, it is the link to the Tardis and the Time Vortex alone that sustains him, and as long as the damage isn't too great, and his link to the Tardis isn't severed, he can regenerate.
Basically, The Doctor Chose the name "Doctor" because he likes it.
But John Hurt is a regeneration that isnt the doctor because he did something so heinous he could not bring himself to call himself the doctor.
I thought the finale was awesome... very satisfying...
So, the river in this episode was the data-ghost river, but, we still haven't seen the doctor tell her his name, or give her her sonic as seen in the library, so I don't think we have seen the last of her just yet.
The John Hurt being a regeneration of the Dr that wasn't the doctor is a cool angle, however, the Dr has always taken responsibility for ending the time war by essentially committing genocide on both the Daleks and the Timelords, so why is it so secret? I mean what could be revealed that goes above the twin genocides anyways?
I am also hoping that after this they go back to a multi-episode arc format, these one-offs are rarely satisfying, and it will be nice to get back to some mythos building instead of low-import adventuring. It doesn't evolve the show to spend so short a time with characters and villains...
Still, this episode was the best in quite a while for me, November will be a tough wait!
The one-off episodes work better as part of a longer series. Until last year, the series were each about 12 episodes, which let a major arc develop more slowly and gave room for two parter stories. In effect, one year's episodes have been split over two year's series, with two different major story arcs.
My hope is that if he is the 9th regeneration they go back and run through the time war.
What Matt Smith will do through it all will be interesting.
I love that it is fast tracked to Australia.
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