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2014/08/21 08:08:37
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
well, the tank of the engine is a scavenged pop up ice popsicle... and the curved half sphere at the front was my instant idea to make that steamtank from...hmmm....
got your pm... thx!!! a heap!... know I have an idea!
I was thinking about the smokestack ... am I under the rule that the smokestacks have to be upright?...I was thinking of maybe making them look like the exhausts of a bomma?... would that work too?...
M0rdain wrote:Although if you did cut it off, there would be a great conversion opportunity, possibly involving rivets.
I dunno if my wife object to that conversion... although... in the kitchen
this would become really...wait for it...handy...
shasolenzabi wrote:Vik take care of thy hands! your health is the most you have as a resource in this world. Trust me, do not take chances.
Drawbidge for the road competiton is a mind blower.
thanks mate... still haven´t made an appointment... but now that my kids are at school again it will happen...
lone dirty dog wrote:Firstly nice working bridge getting technical now and what basis is this being used with.
Now just a thought but maybe keep some kind of record every time the rash and itch flares up, that way you might be able to work out what is causing it.
have thought about that record keeping too...hmm....and thanks mate! well... it will be a free standing terrain piece... so it can be used for streets or rivers that this bridge has to cross from time to time^^
Littletower wrote:Brigde is coming along great, but I'd rather see proof of your upcoming doctor's appointment now!
(If the rash comes and goes, take a few pictures of it in case - as it usually happens - it is gone when you get to the clinic! And don't forget to mention the dish-washing gloves either, rubber and latex can provoke allergies too)
Good luck with that.
the gloves for dishwashing are actually my favorite cause... I wouldn´t want the plastic glue or the plastic card be the prime suspects.... and the picturetaking is quite a good idea!
shasolenzabi wrote:Yeah, I was just thinking some plasti-card for the base, make some banks, for country road or maybe sidewalks for city scape, then I see the drawbridge and think, "I got no chance!"
hehe^^... we´ll see about that^^
on a related matter... if there is a bridge... then there needs to be something that crosses the bridge... right?... well here comes the first bit of that crossing item...
as Red Harvest said in the competitions opening speak... you should try something you haven´t tried before... my wife told me it would be the time to work with round shapes... so thus I have made the roof of that wagon round...
that piece is probably the last piece of a train I am currently working on... a steampunk train of course... whether it will have tracks or not remains to be seen... a land train is also something that has quite some appeal to me...
and this is what will be the next piece of said train...:
this is a cheap toy I got from a fleamarket... and I wont use all pieces as the locomotive was way too wide... but the fender will be used and the other parts will be used eventually on other projects... as I want to use lego cart wheels for the whole build...
cheers and hope you´ll like... vik
This boiler is quite 19th century not the 20th one.
Why not Belpaire firebox? meow~
the above shown boiler won´t be used for that project as it is way too wide... but will be eventually put to good use in future endeavours for sure...
I am always working with what I have...and what I am capable of... also my work is always some kind of weird mix between homage and mockery...... so with my rather insufficient knowledge of real technology I am leaning more to mockery probably of anything I am doing here ... I did however a quick google picture search of "Belpaire firebox" and that was quite educative! so thanks lone cat!
I was about to say, but you thought of it yourself first. Who says that smoke stacks have to be upright. Coming out of the side or back would be cool. Think of the american hot rods that have the exhausts right out of the engine rather than out the back.
Spoiler:
2014/08/21 10:05:25
Subject: Re:Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
Yes its steampunk after all standard rules don't apply I kind of like the idea of them running down the side of the engine maybe raising slightly to clear the cab compartment after all you don't want the driver to get steam burn
Found these pics and thought they might help to inspire
Last pic just for fun
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2014/08/21 17:47:42
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
M0rdain wrote:I was about to say, but you thought of it yourself first. Who says that smoke stacks have to be upright. Coming out of the side or back would be cool. Think of the american hot rods that have the exhausts right out of the engine rather than out the back.
Spoiler:
these were originally my ideas for getting the exhaust issue solved too... but I have to say LDD raises below even a better suited solution...
lone dirty dog wrote:Yes its steampunk after all standard rules don't apply I kind of like the idea of them running down the side of the engine maybe raising slightly to clear the cab compartment after all you don't want the driver to get steam burn
Found these pics and thought they might help to inspire
Last pic just for fun
I like these immensely... but you need to tell me what you fed the search engine with... what was your key word here? I've spent ages in front of google and these pics I swear I've never seen...
Red Harvest wrote:Belpaire firebox. This is why I love the P&M blogs. Always learning something
The locomotives with tracks are intriguing, especially the one from RL. Where is it from? it would make a great scratch built vehicle.
indeed... dakka is a think tank and one of the best ways to ease education in ones braincells ^^
also... LDD provided me with an idea for a canopy and I put it to good use... proof tomorrow^^
Oh yeah, you can let the imagination go wild with the smokestacks on this- you could even imagine a tech that eliminates the smoke all together if you want
Even on real locos, as long as the smoke escapes above the driver, it can be small
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2014/08/21 19:45:18
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
I actually think the hot rod style of exhaust would look really cool on this train, it would definitely make it look faster!
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2014/08/21 19:49:52
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
Crazy trains! Just don't see how the drive of the train is to work Vik. where is the big wheel with the piston arm?
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2014/08/21 20:18:32
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
In later years, they didn't all have one big drive wheel, they had many smaller wheels. Besides, its steampunk, rule of cool is #1
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2014/08/21 21:35:51
Subject: Re:Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
Wow I've missed a day and so many cool pics from Vik. Plus all these ideas that are being posted too. The smokestack should be near the conductor and it should be vented through a pot bellied stove so the drive can cook meals on the way to/from where he's going. Bridges coming along nicely too Vik.
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2014/08/21 22:28:06
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
I love how so many of those fantasy trains shown are, in a way, what steam locomotives probably would have ended up evolving into if the Diesel Electric hadn't squished them.
Gas-fueled boilers and incredibly complex and efficient heat, water and energy reclaimation systems, packaged in smaller and smaller, more and more compact interconnected and interlinked bundles off machinery.
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2014/08/22 05:31:19
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
Well, I think plenty of others have already mentioned it, but side venting exhausts a la hotrods would be a good look. Some great pics from Dave and dog there...saved into my inspiration folder.
Vik, real-life "Franco-Crosti"-boilers are just what you are looking for.
Just returned to dakka after a whíle, and I find the riveteers as busy as ever! It is pure entertainment to watch your creations. Man, that toilet... bleargh...
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2014/08/24 08:58:21
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
Blimps, trains and tanks. Viktoria travels in style..
I am just thinking first a squad of parade uniform rough riders with small pendants (Praetorian style), then a brass band (all steam-powered walking automatons of course,like sousaphones on legs playing themselves), then Sabre Rider on his robo-horse, next some even more polished-up rough riders carrying a huge imperial banner, surrounding a small troupe of lametta-guys (the Imperial Herald and his goons), then a self-propelled HUUUUGE stage-coach-style steam carriage covered in gold, coats-of-arms, trumpet-playing puttos, baroque swirls and acanthus, on top some big-moustachio livree-style guy with an enormous ceremonial bull-whip, next to his twin with a post-horn, on the back four to six smallish livree guys trying not to fall from their small platform while looking dignified, then steam powered sentinels, even more rough riders, steam tanks, carriages with entourage ad libitum...
And here is another variant of Franco-Crosti-boilers, this loco was elected to be the ugliest steam engine ever by the writers of a certain railway compendium. Now I think this is not fair, but just because there are lots of even more disproportioned tryouts out there on the rails...
2014/08/24 12:34:55
Subject: Re:Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
dsteingass wrote: Oh yeah, you can let the imagination go wild with the smokestacks on this- you could even imagine a tech that eliminates the smoke all together if you want
Even on real locos, as long as the smoke escapes above the driver, it can be small
Look at the First All-Metal war vessel. USS Monitor, (Also the first 360 degree traversible turret vehicle). .... smokestack can be THIS short. 'steamtank / LandMonitor' can also have short smokestack that doesn't obstruct ballistics.
The C.S.S. Virginia was actually first in action when it steamed north and sunk the U.S.S Cumberland and U.S.S. Congress Mar. 8-9, 1862, however the Virginia/Merrimac was also technically a wooden ship, covered with iron, where the Monitor was all-iron. Either way the battle was a slugfest, neither being able to sink the other. The Confederates packed it full of dynamite and scuttled her rather than let her be captured.
Size comparison
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2014/08/24 20:25:42
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
2014/08/24 20:49:44
Subject: Re:Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
dsteingass wrote:Oh yeah, you can let the imagination go wild with the smokestacks on this- you could even imagine a tech that eliminates the smoke all together if you want
Even on real locos, as long as the smoke escapes above the driver, it can be small
holy gak!!!...that microarts locomotive is awesome ....they will make so much money if they sell this thing.......
also...I too had thought about making tracks for the train...but decided against it... I wanted to use these coach style wheels...(got me another 50 if these by the way )
and see below how I tackled the exhaust issue...^^
Rogue Wolves wrote:I actually think the hot rod style of exhaust would look really cool on this train, it would definitely make it look faster!
got your wish^^
shasolenzabi wrote:Crazy trains! Just don't see how the drive of the train is to work Vik. where is the big wheel with the piston arm?
well... due to uniformity I have decided against the piston look... if I change my mind...reminds to be seen...it mainly works with steam...but mostly with coolness^^
dsteingass wrote:In later years, they didn't all have one big drive wheel, they had many smaller wheels. Besides, its steampunk, rule of cool is #1
exactly^^
lone dirty dog wrote:Vik type in "steampunk train"
Although Dave has come up with a few stunners there mate
indeed he has... and I´ve eventually found these pics later on too...thx matey! ...also... notice below how I took your advice and used the ping pong balls for the canopies... hope they look right....
Theophony wrote:Wow I've missed a day and so many cool pics from Vik. Plus all these ideas that are being posted too. The smokestack should be near the conductor and it should be vented through a pot bellied stove so the drive can cook meals on the way to/from where he's going. Bridges coming along nicely too Vik.
well... for such interior ideas I would have needed to make an even bigger engine... which would not be able to cross the bridge....... it wont be the last engine... that´s for sure^^
Desubot wrote:I like Trains
indeed... who doesn´t?... I think we all have been raised with a small trainset in our youth?... non?...well... I had my own ...even a playmobil one... happy times^^
Anvildude wrote:I love how so many of those fantasy trains shown are, in a way, what steam locomotives probably would have ended up evolving into if the Diesel Electric hadn't squished them.
Gas-fueled boilers and incredibly complex and efficient heat, water and energy reclaimation systems, packaged in smaller and smaller, more and more compact interconnected and interlinked bundles off machinery.
yes, steam tech had quite a long time all by itself... but then got outdated... but never outclasses!!!
inmygravenimage wrote:Vik's going off the rails, on a crazy train...
I figured out what I was looking for: the Siege Train from Wild West Exodus:
Saw the pics in a gencon review (maybe dstein's?)
that has a very strong thousand sons vibe to it... like a massive ram on rails....impressive....
M0rdain wrote:While browsing for Steampunk trains i cam across a picture of Vic
I beg to differ....:
either this:
or of course this...:
monkeytroll wrote:Hah!
Well, I think plenty of others have already mentioned it, but side venting exhausts a la hotrods would be a good look. Some great pics from Dave and dog there...saved into my inspiration folder.
well... you got your wish!^^
Hruotland wrote:Vik, real-life "Franco-Crosti"-boilers are just what you are looking for.
Just returned to dakka after a whíle, and I find the riveteers as busy as ever! It is pure entertainment to watch your creations. Man, that toilet... bleargh...
lol... yeah that toilet sure made an impression...
and thanks for this educational pic!... it is amazing what cool stuff I can learn while just hobbying here^^
cormadepanda wrote:Blimps, trains and tanks. Viktoria travels in style..
^that!... always that!!!
Hruotland wrote:
Blimps, trains and tanks. Viktoria travels in style..
I am just thinking first a squad of parade uniform rough riders with small pendants (Praetorian style), then a brass band (all steam-powered walking automatons of course,like sousaphones on legs playing themselves), then Sabre Rider on his robo-horse, next some even more polished-up rough riders carrying a huge imperial banner, surrounding a small troupe of lametta-guys (the Imperial Herald and his goons), then a self-propelled HUUUUGE stage-coach-style steam carriage covered in gold, coats-of-arms, trumpet-playing puttos, baroque swirls and acanthus, on top some big-moustachio livree-style guy with an enormous ceremonial bull-whip, next to his twin with a post-horn, on the back four to six smallish livree guys trying not to fall from their small platform while looking dignified, then steam powered sentinels, even more rough riders, steam tanks, carriages with entourage ad libitum...
And here is another variant of Franco-Crosti-boilers, this loco was elected to be the ugliest steam engine ever by the writers of a certain railway compendium. Now I think this is not fair, but just because there are lots of even more disproportioned tryouts out there on the rails...
for that I would need an extra living room to ever be able to build something as awesome and what would involve so much space available ...and currently my wife gives me the eye already for the space I clutter up^^
also... I quite like that extra added tank on the side of the big boiler... it has that certain ramshackled look to it steampunk consists of for me...
Lone Cat wrote:
Look at the First All-Metal war vessel. USS Monitor, (Also the first 360 degree traversible turret vehicle). .... smokestack can be THIS short. 'steamtank / LandMonitor' can also have short smokestack that doesn't obstruct ballistics.
cool find! saved for future projects!!!
dsteingass wrote:The C.S.S. Virginia was actually first in action when it steamed north and sunk the U.S.S Cumberland and U.S.S. Congress Mar. 8-9, 1862, however the Virginia/Merrimac was also technically a wooden ship, covered with iron, where the Monitor was all-iron. Either way the battle was a slugfest, neither being able to sink the other. The Confederates packed it full of dynamite and scuttled her rather than let her be captured.
Size comparison
also saved... I bet it was an epic battle...
well....
and here my latest works...:
the passengers compartment
with added widow panes, and the canopies of the ends are after a suggestion by londe dirty dog... made form pingpong ball and very thin stripes of PC... still some rivets needed and then I need to figure out a way to connect all the parts... some hook system..... hhmmmmm
and the engine...
as you see...hot rod style I went for ... and indeed for a sec today I marvelled how it would look with tank treads... but the coach wheels are the look I want to work with some more... a big wheel option wasn´t possible as I currently can´t get a hold on bigger and still matching wheels...
well I hope you´ll like...and don´t hold back any ideas you have for adding!!!
Nice work mate and turned out better than I thought you really pulled it off and I knew you must have a few knocking around still
Also I am holding judgment on the steam stacks at the moment maybe to see it progress a little more, I will be honest as I have 2 concerns with them : 1 they seem to be crossing over which seems a little messy I think they would look better if one ran above the other rather than over hanging. 2 the size of the tubing have you got anything slightly thinner, that way you could do 3 stacks running inline just a thought
O yes they can't produce that train as a kit if you look it has pipes and parts of the boiler/tank from the chemical plant terrain kit on it along with GW tank wheels, don't think it would take long for the lawyers to come calling
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2014/08/25 01:10:26
Subject: Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
One thing you might want to look at is how everything flows in the model. Right now, it's looking a little disjointed between the smooth curve of the boiler, the sweep back of the cowcatcher (that's what the little ram thing on the front is called, by the way) and the slightly aggressive swoop forwards of some of the other parts.
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2014/08/25 08:58:42
Subject: Re:Imperial steam punk....a train of thought...
One thing you might want to look at is how everything flows in the model. Right now, it's looking a little disjointed between the smooth curve of the boiler, the sweep back of the cowcatcher (that's what the little ram thing on the front is called, by the way) and the slightly aggressive swoop forwards of some of the other parts.
Well I think the point is you have to decide if the look suggests pulling power or velocity. The blocky basic design cries pulling power to me, not velocity, while the slim hot-rod exhausts look like speed. Maybe look out for tractorpulling machines, not for drag-race hot rods to find a suitable arrangement with your exhausts?
Also to look convincing as a land train you need to modify the exle configuration. Your six-wheeler is definitely designed for rails. It needs to look like you could navigate it - in other words like you can turn the first axle. At least move it more forward, and make it look like it is separated from the main frame. Also to enhance the look of power,you might consider make the four hind wheels look bulkier, surround them with a broad iron band with profile on it. See what I mean?
But I totally dig your idea of a six-wheeled land train locomotion, and as usual your build will be fantastically hilarious in the end!
... I did however a quick google picture search of "Belpaire firebox" and that was quite educative! so thanks lone cat!
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thanks for the confidence!!!^^
