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Have we an ETA on no step back DLC for HOIV?

Nothing yet beyond "This year".

Got sucked back into World of Tanks because of it’s GI Joe vs Cobra advertising. However those are “premium” tanks so I’ll probably never get to use them. It does a have a new Cold War mode though.

Eumerin wrote:
Nothing yet beyond "This year".

But i want my Superheavy chasis full with machineguns and armor to just bully the AI into submission by holding the whole frontline....


I do hope though that they will make the rework for the soviet tree amazing. Especially non historical...

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Got sucked back into World of Tanks because of it’s GI Joe vs Cobra advertising. However those are “premium” tanks so I’ll probably never get to use them. It does a have a new Cold War mode though.

Hah! I have stopped WoT for a while for exactly the same reason

Also they still can't get their matchmaking algorithm to work properly after 7 years.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
Nothing yet beyond "This year".

But i want my Superheavy chasis full with machineguns and armor to just bully the AI into submission by holding the whole frontline....


I do hope though that they will make the rework for the soviet tree amazing. Especially non historical...

More Trotsky!

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
Nothing yet beyond "This year".

But i want my Superheavy chasis full with machineguns and armor to just bully the AI into submission by holding the whole frontline....


I do hope though that they will make the rework for the soviet tree amazing. Especially non historical...

More Trotsky!

"Get me the icepick."

Jokes aside i do hope an trotzky tree to be there. Otoh i miss insta coups...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
Nothing yet beyond "This year".

But i want my Superheavy chasis full with machineguns and armor to just bully the AI into submission by holding the whole frontline....


I do hope though that they will make the rework for the soviet tree amazing. Especially non historical...

More Trotsky!

"Get me the icepick."

Jokes aside i do hope an trotzky tree to be there. Otoh i miss insta coups...

Apparently Mexico can install him as Soviet leader...

I am looking forward to the Soviet focus tree overhaul. That should mix things up nicely and create some fun things to do with them. Hopefully the new supply rules and weather rules make those aspects of the game more realistic, as well.

The new Soviet focus tree will just leave Italy as the only one of the major powers with limited focus options.

Eumerin wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
Nothing yet beyond "This year".

But i want my Superheavy chasis full with machineguns and armor to just bully the AI into submission by holding the whole frontline....


I do hope though that they will make the rework for the soviet tree amazing. Especially non historical...

More Trotsky!

"Get me the icepick."

Jokes aside i do hope an trotzky tree to be there. Otoh i miss insta coups...

Apparently Mexico can install him as Soviet leader...

I am looking forward to the Soviet focus tree overhaul. That should mix things up nicely and create some fun things to do with them. Hopefully the new supply rules and weather rules make those aspects of the game more realistic, as well.

The new Soviet focus tree will just leave Italy as the only one of the major powers with limited focus options.

Mexico indeed can get Trotsky as their leader and then go and take over the Soviet Union, but after the changes to coups with La Resistance, Trotsky's leader bonuses no longer do much/anything. And you often get the US looking sternly at you if you go communist as Mexico (if you start to see american forces along your border, they're going to invade)!

Taking some of the mechanics from the Anarchist Spain Branch which allow you to justify in less time and also instigate uprisings in neighbouring countries would fit with Trotsky's ideology and vision, I think.

Also, a mechanic to secure general and cabinet minister loyalty prior to Trotsky's return would also be quite fun, again, similar to that used in the Spanish Civil War. So we could keep Zhukov!

Otoh he is probably the single best advisor for divisions...

Dorfromantik, stumbled across is by chance and taken in by the whimsical graphics and gameplay.

Also saw Planescape Torment up for sale, so will be diving into that one as well one of these days soon.

 BrookM wrote:
Also saw Planescape Torment up for sale, so will be diving into that one as well one of these days soon.

Bought that from GOG a while back is great. But got stuck in a fight in the main hub place, I think my build wasn't very good, so might begin again. I recommend it so far, though!

 Adrassil wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Also saw Planescape Torment up for sale, so will be diving into that one as well one of these days soon.

Bought that from GOG a while back is great. But got stuck in a fight in the main hub place, I think my build wasn't very good, so might begin again. I recommend it so far, though!

A very good game. I played the heck out of it back when it was originally released.

"What can change the nature of a man?"



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I was screwing around in Hearts of Iron 4 as Germany with Hitler removed from power. Submitted a request to have Kaiser Wilhelm II return to Germany. France and Britain objected, and threatened war. I backed down.

Then Netherlands indicated that it was allowing Wilhelm II to return to Germany.

Then I got a message stating that since Wilhelm II couldn't return to Germany, Wilhelm III would take the throne instead.

Then I got a message stating that Wilhelm II had returned to take the throne. And my leader portrait changed to Wilhelm II.

It appears that some wires got crossed somewhere...

Eumerin wrote:

I was screwing around in Hearts of Iron 4 as Germany with Hitler removed from power. Submitted a request to have Kaiser Wilhelm II return to Germany. France and Britain objected, and threatened war. I backed down.

Then Netherlands indicated that it was allowing Wilhelm II to return to Germany.

Then I got a message stating that since Wilhelm II couldn't return to Germany, Wilhelm III would take the throne instead.

Then I got a message stating that Wilhelm II had returned to take the throne. And my leader portrait changed to Wilhelm II.

It appears that some wires got crossed somewhere...

That's because the old Entente has a separate decision to the dutch, which are ultimately more relevant if you wanna get Wilhem II..

Quite frankly though, why'd you want any of the Hohenzollern pantpissers (this is a reference of an old swiss saying in regards to any noble really) is beyond me.... I do hope they rework Austria Hungary in a way that you can form actually Greater germany aka the German bund (austira, and bohemia, plus germany )

Edit: then again its also beyond me how the "zentrum" party somehow rules Germany if you go democratic (because the Zentrum is Catholic and in germany that is a minority and as a party had strong ties to the church itself so it would lack support to run the country.

Meanwhile i made a run for a historical germany... was boring AF by 40 i had defeated the allies and was planning the invasion of the Soviets.
Also i bullied the japanese via maintaining support for china instead of them. Including a shipment of 100'000 infantry equipment, which had the sideeffect that i printed Army experience like the weimar republic printed DM.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Mexico indeed can get Trotsky as their leader and then go and take over the Soviet Union, but after the changes to coups with La Resistance, Trotsky's leader bonuses no longer do much/anything. And you often get the US looking sternly at you if you go communist as Mexico (if you start to see american forces along your border, they're going to invade)!

Taking some of the mechanics from the Anarchist Spain Branch which allow you to justify in less time and also instigate uprisings in neighbouring countries would fit with Trotsky's ideology and vision, I think.

Also, a mechanic to secure general and cabinet minister loyalty prior to Trotsky's return would also be quite fun, again, similar to that used in the Spanish Civil War. So we could keep Zhukov!

Never had the US invade me as trotzky mexico, except when i decided to take a certain canal. It's just the AI regarding non allied totalitarian Ideologies as a danger...

Also trotzkys plan did work out really great .... not. so actually it should be a malus.

As for cabinet positions and such decisions... whilest a possibility i think it would fit more if you get rid of the Soviets.

 Flinty wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Got sucked back into World of Tanks because of it’s GI Joe vs Cobra advertising. However those are “premium” tanks so I’ll probably never get to use them. It does a have a new Cold War mode though.

Hah! I have stopped WoT for a while for exactly the same reason

Also they still can't get their matchmaking algorithm to work properly after 7 years.

The GI Joe or the Cold War?

Also trotzkys plan did work out really great .... not. so actually it should be a malus.

Paradox games are in general leaning away from historical accuracy. In particular, several of the dev team have real fixations on people's utopias (the dev that goes by 'Groogy' in particular) and a very 'rose-colored glasses' take on them, and a tendency to insert them into the games with a crow-bar.

Every EU4 dev multi-battle has him off in a corner trying to build some manner of peasant republic, stellaris has a special utopian ideal voice pack, large chunks (anarchists in particular) of the HOI 4 Spain DLC, etc.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Got sucked back into World of Tanks because of it’s GI Joe vs Cobra advertising. However those are “premium” tanks so I’ll probably never get to use them. It does a have a new Cold War mode though.

Hah! I have stopped WoT for a while for exactly the same reason

Also they still can't get their matchmaking algorithm to work properly after 7 years.

The GI Joe or the Cold War?

The GI Joe stuff. The mercenaries stuff was dumb, the 80 action hero was ok, and the hotwheels stuff was bizarre enough to be entertaining, but I have no nostalgia for Joe. Playing with literal toy tanks breaks the feel for me.

The cold war stuff is an interesting idea, but putting everyone in fundamentally the same tank makes the game a bit dull and a massive slugging match. The coop mode is quite nice when all you want to do is drown things, but the thing that drew me to the game since i started in the xbox beta was the combined arms bit, with a range of roles and a great range of different tools to play with.

Not Online!!! wrote:

That's because the old Entente has a separate decision to the dutch, which are ultimately more relevant if you wanna get Wilhem II.

Having two separate decision points makes sense. But if either of them fails, then Wilhelm II should remain in exile. Otherwise, there's not really any point to the French and British prompt unless you want to allow the player to force an early war with them.

Quite frankly though, why'd you want any of the Hohenzollern pantpissers (this is a reference of an old swiss saying in regards to any noble really) is beyond me.... I do hope they rework Austria Hungary in a way that you can form actually Greater germany aka the German bund (austira, and bohemia, plus germany )

Like I said, I was messing around. It wasn't a serious game. I turned it off right around that time.

Edit: then again its also beyond me how the "zentrum" party somehow rules Germany if you go democratic (because the Zentrum is Catholic and in germany that is a minority and as a party had strong ties to the church itself so it would lack support to run the country.

It's generally acknowledged that many of the alt-history paths bring in individuals or parties that wouldn't have supported the path that puts them into leadership positions. As a player, you generally have to ignore those details (assuming you're aware of them to begin with) and just roll with it. In such cases, the specific individual or party isn't as important as the path you're taking.

large chunks (anarchists in particular) of the HOI 4 Spain DLC

That, of course, would be the DLC that makes it nearly impossible for the AI Fascists to win the Spanish CIvil War (as they historically did) if you're not playing historical. The Anarchist break with the Republicans never seems to hurt the Republicans all that seriously, particularly when compared with how badly the Carlist split does with the Nationalists.

Historical gets around this by following the path brings in Franco, and keeps the two factions united. But this path rarely gets picked in the historical route.


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 Flinty wrote:

The cold war stuff is an interesting idea, but putting everyone in fundamentally the same tank makes the game a bit dull and a massive slugging match. The coop mode is quite nice when all you want to do is drown things, but the thing that drew me to the game since i started in the xbox beta was the combined arms bit, with a range of roles and a great range of different tools to play with.

Cold War can be a lot of fun. I used to play Armored Warfare, which is essentially World of Tanks in the Cold War (even run by a Russian company; it does have a PvE mode, though, which is where almost all of the players went in the non-Russian servers), until something went weird with my server lag. My initial thought on seeing the new Cold War World of Tanks stuff was that World of Tanks wanted to tap into the Armored Warfare market. But based on what you're saying, it sounds like more of a gimmick.

 BrookM wrote:
Dorfromantik, stumbled across is by chance and taken in by the whimsical graphics and gameplay.

I have Dorfromantik earmarked as an "As soon I can play it on my phone" game. The demo didn't quite have enough in it for a dedicated PC game. But being able to play it at work/the airport/toilet would be chill. Maybe I do need that Steam nintendo Switch thing...

balmong7 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Dorfromantik, stumbled across is by chance and taken in by the whimsical graphics and gameplay.

I have Dorfromantik earmarked as an "As soon I can play it on my phone" game. The demo didn't quite have enough in it for a dedicated PC game. But being able to play it at work/the airport/toilet would be chill. Maybe I do need that Steam nintendo Switch thing...

It's a fun game to pick up and play for a round every once in a while. It may be some time until it finds its way onto other platforms, it's still in early access as of right now.

Eumerin wrote:

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 Flinty wrote:

The cold war stuff is an interesting idea, but putting everyone in fundamentally the same tank makes the game a bit dull and a massive slugging match. The coop mode is quite nice when all you want to do is drown things, but the thing that drew me to the game since i started in the xbox beta was the combined arms bit, with a range of roles and a great range of different tools to play with.

Cold War can be a lot of fun. I used to play Armored Warfare, which is essentially World of Tanks in the Cold War (even run by a Russian company; it does have a PvE mode, though, which is where almost all of the players went in the non-Russian servers), until something went weird with my server lag. My initial thought on seeing the new Cold War World of Tanks stuff was that World of Tanks wanted to tap into the Armored Warfare market. But based on what you're saying, it sounds like more of a gimmick.

I wouldn't say its a gimmick, and I think WoT was entirely looking to pick up players from other similar games with a more modern feel. However, WoT is great because in the 40s and 50s there is this massive range of "stuff" to tap into from light through heavy tanks and TDs, before you hit the artillery. After that period, everyone basically has a single class of MBT, maybe with some recon tracks/cars, but they have no real hope of taking on the MBTs. So diversity naturally takes a hit, and everyone is scooting about in pretty much the same machines. For some, that may be a positive thing, but I quite like the diversity of the base WoT game.

Eumerin wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

That's because the old Entente has a separate decision to the dutch, which are ultimately more relevant if you wanna get Wilhem II.

Having two separate decision points makes sense. But if either of them fails, then Wilhelm II should remain in exile. Otherwise, there's not really any point to the French and British prompt unless you want to allow the player to force an early war with them.

It is there to allow for an early war and as a tool to deny Germany in the case you play as allies / the Dutch.

Quite frankly though, why'd you want any of the Hohenzollern pantpissers (this is a reference of an old swiss saying in regards to any noble really) is beyond me.... I do hope they rework Austria Hungary in a way that you can form actually Greater germany aka the German bund (austira, and bohemia, plus germany )

Like I said, I was messing around. It wasn't a serious game. I turned it off right around that time.

It was a joke upon historical ressentiments
Frankly i don't find Kaiser II WW1 .5 all that interesting of a scenario to play frankly, its a bit of an meh tree.

Edit: then again its also beyond me how the "zentrum" party somehow rules Germany if you go democratic (because the Zentrum is Catholic and in germany that is a minority and as a party had strong ties to the church itself so it would lack support to run the country.

It's generally acknowledged that many of the alt-history paths bring in individuals or parties that wouldn't have supported the path that puts them into leadership positions. As a player, you generally have to ignore those details (assuming you're aware of them to begin with) and just roll with it. In such cases, the specific individual or party isn't as important as the path you're taking.

The problem is they'd have options in a coalition government and just shows the slightly uncaring attitutude for some of the polish.
Don't get me wrong, the tree is functional and democratic germany is an interesting path to take (allbeit OP because 6 slots for research, additional Manpower, nonsensically strong industrial focuses ontop of that...)

 Flinty wrote:
[After that period, everyone basically has a single class of MBT, maybe with some recon tracks/cars, but they have no real hope of taking on the MBTs. So diversity naturally takes a hit, and everyone is scooting about in pretty much the same machines. For some, that may be a positive thing, but I quite like the diversity of the base WoT game.

Armored Warfare dealt with that by providing bonuses to certain actions by the other kinds of vehicles. There's a little of that in WoT already, since iirc tank destroyers get a concealment bonus over other kinds of vehicles.

Though I also suspect that Armored Warfare started to "fudge" some of the vehicle stat numbers in the interests of playability. I don't actually know that's the case, but I suspect it.

In any event, there's also a lot more potential variety than I think you anticipate. There are a *lot* of vehicles out there, and most of them have some usefulness on the battlefield. A lot of Armored Warfare players assume that the Stingray is a paper light tank design, not realizing that it was entered into the (ultimately cancelled) competition to replace the M551 Sheridan, and then ended up outfitting the Royal Thai Army. An M-901 ITV might have paper-thin armor, but it carries twin guided TOW missiles that pack a punch. The Sheridan hull is already in WoT (under a different name), and the only thing Wargaming would need to do to add it to the modern era is to properly simulate its aluminum armor, and add the ability to switch between its main gun and guided missiles (which I know historically never worked after a single cannon shot was fired; but that sort of detail has never stopped Wargaming in the past).

There's a lot of stuff out there, especially if - like Wargaming always does - you start releasing the stuff that never made it out of the proto-type stage, or even off the drawing board.

WoT seems to be introducing guided missiles now, so maybe that will open up the cold war space a bit more. I haven't played since they introduced it though, and I'm not sure if I am advanced along the tree enough.

I just started the free trial of apple arcade so that I could play Mini-Metro and Mini-Motorways on my phone (for the same reason I want dorfromantik on my phone. They just don't strike me "sit at my desktop games").

Alongside those two though, I'm going to give The Last Campfire a shot, it's a smaller title from the No Man's Sky developers.

 Flinty wrote:
WoT seems to be introducing guided missiles now, so maybe that will open up the cold war space a bit more. I haven't played since they introduced it though, and I'm not sure if I am advanced along the tree enough.

It also looks like they're about to add the Sheridan. I stopped by their website to confirm something, happened to notice an article on new light tanks, and spotted the Sheridan among the list of incoming tanks.

Unfortunately, what I stopped by to confirm turned out to be correct. I'm sort of tempted to take the modern tanks for a spin. But for some reason the modern vehicles are currently limited to the console versions of the game, and not available on the PC.

Eumerin wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
WoT seems to be introducing guided missiles now, so maybe that will open up the cold war space a bit more. I haven't played since they introduced it though, and I'm not sure if I am advanced along the tree enough.

It also looks like they're about to add the Sheridan. I stopped by their website to confirm something, happened to notice an article on new light tanks, and spotted the Sheridan among the list of incoming tanks.

Unfortunately, what I stopped by to confirm turned out to be correct. I'm sort of tempted to take the modern tanks for a spin. But for some reason the modern vehicles are currently limited to the console versions of the game, and not available on the PC.

Good luck with that....
As an War thunder player that has to suffer due to BR compression because Gajin just throws more stuff ontop instead of fixing the MM , modern tanks won't help longterm.

I find it weird that nobody's just made like, a sci-fi Tank game, where they don't even try to use historical stuff. Just design neat vehicles with diverse abilities and statistics to fit various niches and set folks loose.

Anvildude wrote:
I find it weird that nobody's just made like, a sci-fi Tank game, where they don't even try to use historical stuff. Just design neat vehicles with diverse abilities and statistics to fit various niches and set folks loose.

You mean Mechwarrior Online?

As an War thunder player that has to suffer due to BR compression because Gajin just throws more stuff ontop instead of fixing the MM , modern tanks won't help longterm.

My understanding is that the modern stuff in World of Tanks is a distinct game mode where you're limited to the two modern tech trees, and can't interact with players playing the "normal" game. In essence, it's a second game that you log into at the same time you log into regular WoT.

Well then you lot are lucky. Let me telly you that it ain't much fun over in WT in certain BR's...
The termini "Get Gajinned" has been used quite a bit more recently. It also had adverse effects overall in the mid tiers... It has pushed down the tiger and first panther to 5.3 and those were already not fun to fight in a 4.7 before... most 4.3 have no decent way of dealing with those. Meanhwile they themselves had a bad time because Gajin insisted that cold war era tanks with stabilisers and heat-fs and other such nice things should for some factions start arround 6 or even as low as 5... (looking at the EBR and R3.....)

Still a fun game but gajin tries its hardest to make it really annoying experience in many tiers , nvm the problematic FPE and Parts situation..