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Here's where the Violator is so far, basic structure built now to add some detailing. This bits gonna be a little fiddly

Looks so much better with actual wings.

Thanks buddy

Here's a little more progress. I ordered a LR kit from Subtle Discord a couple weeks ago and he sent me some of his awesome trim pieces to use on my Titan when I get to rebuilding it, I'm having a bit of a practise run here. Let me know what you think.





I managed to drop and the stand on the canopy :( I was always planning on painting it anyway but now I'm left with no other option lol.

That's looking pretty sweet, Bio! Subtle's trim is looking like it may be the link that ties the whole chaos-y vibe together.

Looking great. I think if you tilt the engines slightly it'll give the impression that the craft can hover in one place if it needs to.

What about going for overkill and using the Stormraven engines on the sides?

Edit:

Balrog wings evading me still...

If you need them soon I'd maybe pick them up, if not i'd hold out as I'm sure they'll appear as soon as I stop looking for them.

Thanks guys. I'm not sure wether to continue adding trim or go for the less is more option? Thoughts?

Medium, don't worry about it mate. That conversion is till in the mental planning stage and won't happen for a while. If you can find them, great. If not I'll pick some up. No worries

More trim! That stuff is great, I'm going to have to get some myself. I'll do a search for it, but if you have a link you could put in that would be great.

I'm not so sure about the skull on the front, I feel it draws all the attention. However it needs something there, so I don't really have much in the way of feedback on how to change it

I'm hoping you add some big, sick vanes underneath like Dark Eldar have to represent it's *attack in the movement phase thats d3 Str 7 hits and the name evades me first thing in the morning without coffee in me*. It might be cool to make them (I picture 2, one under each engine) to look like scythes.

I think the level of trim you has works well.

Was thinking perhaps adding the tail section from the Valkyrie to the end of the Violator? So that the two struts enclose the rear engine. Leaving out the middle piece and using the larger wing pieces on the tail on the front (the section that sticks outnext to the ladders on the cockpict) and using those top wing pieces on the side of the Valkyrie tail struts.



Even leaving the tail struts off, I think adding front wings would give it a more aggressive profile, kind of like the Typhoon.

Dez, here's a link (I hope) to Subtles Thread on here. He has some awesome kits, very reasonably priced and excellent quality.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/540118.page

Medium of Death.
I did look at adding more of a tail to it but I prefer the more boxy flying wing style of it. I may add the smaller wings to the nose though as I've had them on and off there during the build. I think it's still missing something but can't quite out my finger on it. I don't want to cover it in spikes etc but it just feels like it's not quite there. Any suggestions are welcomed.

This is a great conversion! If I need a second heldrake, I'm pinching this idea.

I think maybe the smaller wings on the nose would be a nice addition, personally.

I feel you on the "it's missing something" vibe.

I think it's missing some dorsal fins, or dorsal engines; something on top to counter how the bottom hangs out. How about maybe move the engines from the fuselage to the undersides of the wings to space it out a bit more. Or maybe angle the wings up from the back a bit so that the thrusters on the end point towards the back slightly?

I actually think what's needed is some sort of 'tail'. I know you were saying you didn't want to go that route, but I think the issue here is that it's so nose-heavy. With the top-wing design, and the two intakes leading to only one outlet, there's too much weight on the front and bottom. It needs more weight on the back bottom to let it 'hang' from the wings better.

I'm sure you'll come up with something that looks awesome. Thought about adding fueld tanks next to the big engine at the back, either for the craft itself or for the flamer? Obviously exposed fuel tanks are mad, but mad in a 40k/Khorne going down in a ball of flame and smashing into the enemy kind of way.

I agree with Medium of Death that the model needs a more aggressive profile, and I think a possible way to achieve that would be to add some additional wings to the nose, pointing forward. Maybe you could actually use a setup similar to that on the pictures I sent you?

Heldrake wings would be pretty perfect in shape for the effect, but they probably look to different from the rest of the model. Still, some roughly triangular wings jutting out and forming a kind of dagger shape would instantly make the model look quite a bit more aggressive, in my opinion.

Brilliant idea regarding the trim, btw! Subtle Discord's kits are fantastic anyway, but I doubt even he could foresee them being used like that!

Oh, and before I forget it: Let me just add that your kitbashed Bloodthirster is just totally amazing! Brilliant work so far! As for the missing feet, have you considered using Maulerfiend hooves? They should be reasonably easy to pick up from a British bitz site.

Anyway, keep up the amazing work buddy! Highly inspirational!

Thanks folks, I'll have a play around with some of those ideas when I get home from work tonight. I've thought about the fuel tanks as I have plenty barrels and the fuel tanks from the LR Redeemer kit so have a few options there. I've had a play with some of the wing shapes I have and I've not quite found the right bit......yet. That will happen though. I think onc the paints in it'll help tie it together a bit as well, the screen will be a dark black/green against the red hull and brass trim.

As for the trim I have loads left and can't wait to get started on the Titan again using some of the kits. Subtle Discords work is well worth a look.

Krautscientist, I have looked at the Maulerfiend hooves but they are surprisingly difficult to get a hold of. I'll try sculpting some when I get back to it if that fails I'll find an alternate

I like the idea of using the twin tail struts from the Valkyrie. It reminds me of the aesthetic of the P-38, which just seems "right" to me for some reason.

 Biohazard wrote:

Krautscientist, I have looked at the Maulerfiend hooves but they are surprisingly difficult to get a hold of. I'll try sculpting some when I get back to it if that fails I'll find an alternate

Boom!



I'd be happy to post these out to you mate, as I said before have been clearing out my old stuff/sorting it into boxes and being pretty ruthless while at it. I don't intend to be making any Daemon Princes/Greater Daemons in the near future and will be buying at least one more Forgefiend kit so you're totally welcome to these. Still not found those wings, I think they've actually taken flight...

Mate you have PM

Just on a general modelling point the hooves are quite flat. I had always thought if I was going to use them I'd add a few layers of plasticard to bulk them up a bit.

Interesting take on a Heldrake. Should be awesome and thanks for the link to the shop where you got the trims from. Perfect for my Chaos

Well I'd hoped to have more to show tonight but to be honest I'm shattered after work so have done what I can.

I still need to find some Reaper Autocannons for the side sponsons and a couple of other wee bits and pieces but think this could look pretty sweet once it's red.

That front profile of the Violator really sells it. I don't think you need to do anything further with it. Baneblade is looking good too. Loving the subtle touchs replacing the Imperial icons.

Hmm. I think the Violator could do with some kind of tail fin. Maybe a V-shaped arrangement?

Thanks guys. I'm gonna look at tweaking the Violator in the next couple of days as I'm gonna be working on it's bigger brother.

Just a thought, but to keep a sleeker profile on the Violator what about flipping the engines 90 degrees on their sides?

That's exactly what I was thinking of doing buddy, mounting them on the wings rather than the fuselage.

Looks great Looking forward to more

Ask and you shall receive, really crappy pics but all I have is my iphone and I don't have a proper lighting setup sorted yet.

Been a bit idle lately due to work being mental over the festive period. Got the buzz tonight and had a bit of a mess around and decided I was gonna work on a Jugger Champ.





The head will get the bunny ear treatment and all loyalist icons will be removed, I'll be giving him a different weapon not sure what yet though.

Also started knocking together a character I've had in my head for a while. It's really rough at the moment and I will probably change a lot of bits once I fit the servo arms.




Really rough and ready but I haven't really done a lot lately so just wanted to mess about. I really like the direction the Juggers going though and I'm looking forward to painting it. I need to find some chain for reins though. Hmm

I added a tail type bitty. Thoughts?



I should have mentioned the character will be my Warpsmith Zephon. Just in case anyone was wondering why I was sticking huge exhausts on the back of WE

Aye, that looks much better.

The Warpsmith looks cool too! Can't wait to see how that turns out.

I think the Violator looks fine without that tail piece. I still think you should maybe add fins to those front bits though. Maybe cut that tail in half?

Liking the Lord of Skulls bits on the engines, but I think you should save them for the glorious Warhound. Simple Khorne icons would probably work just as well on there.

Looking forward to seeing your take on the Warpsmith. Surely some of his servo arms need to be just axes?