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2012/08/15 19:48:29
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
@ dstein- Much coolness will be coming from this soon. I have a friend that's going to start playing Daemons and I can use it for Allies.
@ Vik- Sorry Vik, going to stick w/ the copper coil. Abused and abandoned matches my table better than functional and shiny. And the Altar will have a lot of detail specifically plasticard overlays. Going to have a huge Chaos Star and each Chaos God will be represented, kind of like this:
Notice that each god has their opposite on... you guessed it, the opposite side of the star.
I've always thought that GW got it wrong. Khorne should hate Tzeentch for relying on magic instead of martial prowess, and Slaanesh should hate Nurgle just because he's so icky and yucky. Of course Khorne would still disregard Slaanesh for being so... uhm... Slaaneshi, and I doubt Nurgle and Tzeentch would ever get along because Tzeentch freaks out about the whole "all things come to an end" thing that Nurgle has going on. Khorne would barely tolerate Nurgle, but would at least have some grudging respect for the fact the Nurgle happily wades into battle with a grin. I doubt Nurgle would be terribly upset by the fact Tzeentch and Slaanesh don't like him, but he would wonder why. Because really, who WOULDN'T like Papa Nurgle? He just wants to be your friend. Really. Ask him for a hug sometime.
Gitsplitta wrote: That's.... dirt... Skalk. Actual dust. (09/08/2021)
2012/08/16 20:26:01
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
i understand the decision of yours... makes sense... tablewise.. but i think i will nick that idea...
and the star makes really much sense for me... and i liked the lil discription... also... makes papa nurgle sound a bit like a pitbull... he just wants to play
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:
I've always thought that GW got it wrong. Khorne should hate Tzeentch for relying on magic instead of martial prowess, and Slaanesh should hate Nurgle just because he's so icky and yucky. Of course Khorne would still disregard Slaanesh for being so... uhm... Slaaneshi, and I doubt Nurgle and Tzeentch would ever get along because Tzeentch freaks out about the whole "all things come to an end" thing that Nurgle has going on. Khorne would barely tolerate Nurgle, but would at least have some grudging respect for the fact the Nurgle happily wades into battle with a grin. I doubt Nurgle would be terribly upset by the fact Tzeentch and Slaanesh don't like him, but he would wonder why. Because really, who WOULDN'T like Papa Nurgle? He just wants to be your friend. Really. Ask him for a hug sometime.
Always thought the same thing. The opposition would be much clearer.
I love the concept of your altar! How are you going to represent the gods specific branches?
2012/08/17 14:17:02
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
I was thinking along similar lines for my (on hold) summoning alter. I may wait until yours is done, and steal a few ideas!
For mine I was thinking Ooze, Puss, Worms and Flies for Nurgle; Skulls of course for Khorne (I should have that production mold done in the coming weeks if you need skulls ); I guess Tentacles and leather straps for Slaanesh; and what for Tzeentch? Feathers? I draw a blank there...
Anyway, I can't wait to see what you do with yours!
@ both- Each 'section' will be carved / etched into the plasticard instead of large raised lumpy things like skulls, etc. Khorne will of course have skulls. Nurgle will have a high corroded section, Slaanesh will have spiky bits on the side and probably some channels carved out for shains etc, and Tzeentch will have swirling madness. This is not a project that will be done in a week or so. I have a lot of practice to do on junk bitz first, and then take my time w/ the final product. I'm looking forward to starting it.
In other terrain news, I'm stopped dead right now. Going to be busy for the next 9 days, no hobby or Dakka time at all. I'll be back online by the 27th / 28th. Still going to enter 'best effort' into the LoER contest but I'm already stomped by the other entries. If I had the time to make effort...
...but nope. Maybe next time.
Gitsplitta wrote: That's.... dirt... Skalk. Actual dust. (09/08/2021)
2012/08/17 17:10:37
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
Swirling Madness! Why didn't I think of that? I actually plan to have lots of the raised surfaces, skulls, etc., but in a shallow depression, or bowl. And after it is painted, I want to fill it in with clear resin, to give it a "window" appearance.
I swear, Real Life is a real pain sometimes. I wish we could just be left alone with our madness....
Excellent stuff Skalk, not sure why I wasn't already subbed. Some very nice pieces there, especially fond of the last comp entry and the 'scaffold' towers.
Wow. Epic Skalk.
I love to make terrain too. I went on a rampage making a set of terrain that was modeled to look like a chaos invasion of Stalingrad. Smashed buildings and chaos graffiti everywhere.
Keep up the good work and the casting you are doing is awesome. Love to see the works in progress.
Pestilence Provides.
2012/08/19 14:14:58
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
I've always thought that GW got it wrong. Khorne should hate Tzeentch for relying on magic instead of martial prowess, and Slaanesh should hate Nurgle just because he's so icky and yucky. Of course Khorne would still disregard Slaanesh for being so... uhm... Slaaneshi, and I doubt Nurgle and Tzeentch would ever get along because Tzeentch freaks out about the whole "all things come to an end" thing that Nurgle has going on. Khorne would barely tolerate Nurgle, but would at least have some grudging respect for the fact the Nurgle happily wades into battle with a grin. I doubt Nurgle would be terribly upset by the fact Tzeentch and Slaanesh don't like him, but he would wonder why. Because really, who WOULDN'T like Papa Nurgle? He just wants to be your friend. Really. Ask him for a hug sometime.
They used to be the other way round before the fluff was changed which is why the Realm of Chaos books were khorne/Slannesh and Nurgle/Tzeentch.
I'm going to be working on a portal for my Tzeentch daemons at some point as well, looking forward to see what you do with yours.
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/08/20 11:26:49
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/29 20:00:40
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/08/30 20:55:36
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
Honestly, I forgot what I sent you guys, and I like to see the pics so I can remember what I sent! Yours and Max's were a blast to look at! Skalk is slacking over here..blaming RL and all that BS..
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/08/30 21:28:52
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
@ RSJake- That sounds very cool. I haven't worked enough w/ resin or whatever that water effect clear stuff is yet to trust it on a 'real' project. Perhaps this coming winter I'll find time to figure some of those things out. And yeah... I have felt that way before as well. It is what it is.
@ Wh40kPicasso- Trust me, no one would be happier to see that completed summoning altar than I would be. It still looks exactly the same as the last picture you saw of it. Also, thank you for the link. I finally got to see one of those at my FLGS a couple months ago after seeing pics of it online for months. Great bit of scenery, way too small to be SSLP.
@ Some_Call_Me_Tim?- That is one of the reasons I'm doing this as a project log instead of toiling away at home. Plenty of inspiration here. And thank you for the compliment. It's the most (literally) rewarding piece I've ever done.
@ monkeytroll- Dakka is a big and busy place. You're here now, all that matters. Thanks for the compliment. I really enjoy that piece and I'm looking fwd to it being on the table a lot more.
@ sennacherib- Do you have any pics of that Chaos Stalingrad setup? I'd love to see them. Thanks for the compliment on the casting. It's not hard to do when you have high-quality molds. Just need to get the mix perfected and eventually start using resin instead of plaster.
@ GiraffeX- I'm wondering if I need to change the dimensions a bit. Looking for one of my friends to get (or FLGS to display) a SSLP to measure and compare against.
@ dstein- I'm back, and yes it is now 'later', although later than either of us would have preferred.
@ DemetriDominov- So do I. Not sure when that will be, see below.
@ Viki- Hi.
I feel like I haven't updated this in a very long time, much longer than it has actually been. Perception of time is relative indeed.
Anyway, a few things to share. First up, and apologies to Vik, I'm out of the LoER contest and likely won't be participating in the next few either. I need structure and focus for something like that and I have neither right now. Once it's darker and colder things should slow down a bit and I can get back to the things I want to do.
But on to the awesome! First up is my massive incredible awesome prize package from dstein.
Here it is broken out into lots. 7 sheets of plasticard. Being the awesome and attentive person he is, Dave chose the holy number of Nurgle. I'm guessing these are .040, and one is super thin, won't even guess what it is. Bottom line- SCORE!
But wait! There's more! 3 sheets of TEXTURED plasticard!
texture closeup:
The treadplate is so perfect for a couple things I want to do. This will not be living in my supplies drawer very long once I get going again.
And the list continues! Really neat plastic fiddly things!
I have no idea at all what they are, but I can see multiple applications for them. Sci-Fi wall section separators, hasty barricades, fodder for the junk pile, etc. They will see use for sure.
The next bit of awesome is way over the top. Resin walls.
Does anyone recognize these / know the manufacturer? Also, see model in last pic (far right) for scale ref. I want so so much to say "these are next" but I can't. However, they have my interest and I'll be using them for something as soon as I can.
He also sent me some plastic rods. In an ironic twist of humor, he sent the holy number of Tzeentch. There are hollow tubes, hexagonal rods, etc. All of it awesome. It looks old enough to have been on my grandfather's train table in the '70's. It'll be getting some use on my next few scratch builds.
As if any of the above was not enough, I also rec'd somehting I'd likely have never bought on my own- weathering powders!
I have no idea how to use them, I will be looking for some tuts online.
I'm really happy and really impressed / overwhelmed!!! Thanks so much Dave. I'll make an effort to do something with this that does it justice.
Next piece is somehting I have been looking at for years. It has been discontinued for years. I was so happy to find these. Believe it or not, I found them in a podunk general store while I was on vacation.
I don't think I need to explain how I'd use them, they speak for themselves.
Last bit for this update- massive eBay haul from Hordes O' Bitz!
My brain hurts from the possibilities here. Ouch.
I won't be working with any of this for a while, but I have it and the possibilities are amazing. I'll post up whatever becomes a WIP and share it w/ you all. I'll be back.
Gitsplitta wrote: That's.... dirt... Skalk. Actual dust. (09/08/2021)
2012/08/31 17:37:38
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
The Resin walls are old Armorcast, OOP for several years, maybe even worth some money now, who knows??
The red plastic thingies are rails for mounting laptop solid-state hard drives, I have TONS of those things, I figured they looked like something that would fit in your little corner of the underhive!
The cobblestone sheets probably are from the 70s! I found them on clearance at a train shop years ago, it's very brittle plastic, but it holds paint and glue very well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: .>As far as the weathering powders go, that little paper in the box is about right, brush it on dry, or mix with some thinner and make a wash, then seal it with clear coat, future, hairspray, etc. any kind of clear sealer will do the trick so they don't rub off when handling. It's just pigment powder, the same thing that is in your paint, but just without a binder or medium.
Automatically Appended Next Post: They still have a picture on their site, but they don't sell the product anymore it seems
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/08/31 17:51:13
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/08/31 18:22:55
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
those red thingies really look useful... for me they look like tech buttresses...like the wall supports on space station/ships and so on...
and those weathering powders must be due to your excellent weathering and rust methods... dave is really into the thing to bring our talents to be trained to further levels! i currently feel a bit like a padawan^^ (which is the best thing to be when you have a master at your side that really cares about your skill development!)
and to the competition thingy... well it will be a blow to have you not competing.... but i see what you mean by structure... and how this can affect your hobbylife...there will be more competitions hopefully... of that i am sure...
Check the box again Skalk, you should have a cricut-cut -=]_,=- logo too like Max and Vik got.
If I have extra of something, and you guys can use it, it's the best use of the thing!
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/08/31 21:40:34
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
my wife recently got me the second lil thingy of a pice for supporting something on a printer... her description was fuzzy and my understanding of where it was used earlier too... but i think i will take a pic of that piece tomorrow...tech bitz that are just "junk" can be quite valuable for us hobby geeks^^
@ dsteingass- Thanks for the detailed response, I appreciate it. And yes, I found the LoER logo.
@ GiraffeX- I'll post the dimensions as soon as I get them. And I'll send out those guitar strings this week, apologies for the delay.
@ Viktor von Domm- I'm genuinely bummed about dropping because the level of craftsmanship in this contest was intense and I'd have liked to see where I ranked. However, all is not lost and the piece I started will be finished. I've already started the re-work and I think you'll be impressed w/ the results. I'll try to catch the December contest at the latest, I really like being part of the LoER and want to participate / contribute when we're doing something.
Nothing 'new' to share except some good news- because of my shift change (10:30am-7:30pm M-F) I'm finding I have time in the morning that is just mine since everyone else is already gone. Today I took some time to work on the Armorcast walls Dave sent me. I'll post some WIP pics once I get a bit more done.
More is coming, just slower than it has been.
Gitsplitta wrote: That's.... dirt... Skalk. Actual dust. (09/08/2021)
2012/09/06 10:31:05
Subject: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
When I was growing up, my Dad worked second shift. When I was first out of high school I worked second shift, for 15 years I have worked on first shift, and I tell you, once you are in that routine once, your body always stays a second-shifter, even when you have to work first shift.
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
2012/09/10 18:24:57
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
@ Dave- 2nd shift is already getting on my nerves. Mass outages lately (2 storms and one core router failure) so I'm not getting the time I was hoping for. Law of averages will work to my favor eventually since I have 8 more weeks of this and it won't stay this busy all the time.
Small update to show my heart is still beating. I've been looking for a rattlecan spray that is as close to Shadow Gray as possible. I finally learned that I need to start carrying a Shadow Gray swatch with me, but here's my latest test. Honestly I kind of like it.
Here's the test shots I took while doing this. First up is the last test I did. I've been using this piece for my testing lately. Eventually this will find its way to my table, but for now its going to get more of this treatment.
Single coat, waiting to dry:
Dried. This is its permanent color.
Shadow Gray color test. Opps. Better luck next time.
And a rust / weathering test. I did this fast and dirty just to see if I would like it at all:
C&C on the color is what I'm looking for. Close enough, keep looking, or just shut up and buy an airbrush already?
Thanks for looking.
Gitsplitta wrote: That's.... dirt... Skalk. Actual dust. (09/08/2021)
2012/09/10 18:44:14
Subject: Re: Terrain Project- Building a Better Battlefield
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote: @ Dave- 2nd shift is already getting on my nerves. Mass outages lately (2 storms and one core router failure) so I'm not getting the time I was hoping for. Law of averages will work to my favor eventually since I have 8 more weeks of this and it won't stay this busy all the time.
Small update to show my heart is still beating. I've been looking for a rattlecan spray that is as close to Shadow Gray as possible. I finally learned that I need to start carrying a Shadow Gray swatch with me, but here's my latest test. Honestly I kind of like it.
Here's the test shots I took while doing this. First up is the last test I did. I've been using this piece for my testing lately. Eventually this will find its way to my table, but for now its going to get more of this treatment.
Single coat, waiting to dry:
Dried. This is its permanent color.
Shadow Gray color test. Opps. Better luck next time.
And a rust / weathering test. I did this fast and dirty just to see if I would like it at all:
C&C on the color is what I'm looking for. Close enough, keep looking, or just shut up and buy an airbrush already?
Thanks for looking.
hmmm. shadow gray you say... is that an old or new color?
It's a blue-gray, Vallejo's US Intermediate Gray airbrush paint is what I used, but it's a bit more blue than that.
"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog : It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi