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Brother SRM wrote:That sounds like a hilariously heavy aircraft.

be funny if you made fun of it XD
I love the idea of a new transport
But I want vanguard to be less expensive first....

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
not to mention gk is extremely overpowered..... in apocalypse a 5 man purifier squad took out 300 ork boys with one psychic attack

This irritates me. GK are not overpowered, any good player can beat them with any army. I have seen tau beat a triple psyfleman psi-back spam army. I saw stealer shock tyranids beat them with ease.

Cough* AC-130*Cough?

mcmuffin wrote:This irritates me. GK are not overpowered, any good player can beat them with any army.

*If they are more skilled and/or lucky

Capitansolstice wrote:Cough* AC-130*Cough?

Erm..?

ph34r wrote:

mcmuffin wrote:This irritates me. GK are not overpowered, any good player can beat them with any army.

*If they are more skilled and/or lucky

mcmuffin wrote:I have seen tau beat a triple psyfleman psi-back spam army. I saw stealer shock tyranids beat them with ease.

Just because you have seen a GK player lose does not mean GK are not overpowered.
Just because a bad player has a GK army does not mean GK are not overpowered.
On average GK are, as many competitive players have attested to and statistics support, at the very least competitive and easy mode, if not straight up overpowered.

Yes, but the best grey knights player can be beaten by another equally skilled player of another army. GK are considered overpowered by those who don't have a clue how to deal with them effectively, because they are a good all round army, with powerful shooting and ok close combat. But you know what, the player in question is far from a bad player, probably one of the best players in the country, an ETC competitor, but he was beaten by clever tactics from tyranids. GK are no better than Space wolves, DE or Imperial guard. They are a good army, and a competitive army, but are not an overpowered army. They are easy to play and have simple strategies associated with them, while an equally competitive army, such as Necrons or DE ,takes a bit more finesse to use to the same level that good Grey Knights players can achieve without a huge amount of practice.

Well wouldn't it be sweet to get a AC-130 style marine gunship?
Not that anything like this could or would happen, just dreaming.
Something like that would be spam though

AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

mcmuffin wrote:AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

That about sums it up

OOOOH. Maybe this one?

What's coming out of it in that picture?

mcmuffin wrote:AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

Why not toss on a few kherries assault cannons as underslung plyon weapons for some 12 dice attacks, might help with the hoards a little eh?

H.B.M.C. wrote:What's coming out of it in that picture?

They look like speed-blurred Rhino-chassis vehicles of some persuasion.

mcmuffin wrote:AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

...that actually sounds kind of interesting (except for shooting at two different targets, unless that comes as an upgrade for xx points). Though of course Space Marines would get a vehicle that can do everything. But I could actually see something like that working if it was priced right. I'd take the "blast" off the smaller cannon, though, 5 shots sounds like enough. And even though it's a SM vehicle I'd say it needs to be BS3, 15 shots hitting at 3+ is kind of nuts.

That's just my opinion though, I'm no game designer by any means so don't put much stock into what I think.

Wolf_Ov_The_Void wrote:Stormwolf anyone?

Wolfstormwolfwolfship?

Dysartes wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:What's coming out of it in that picture?

They look like speed-blurred Rhino-chassis vehicles of some persuasion.

The left one of the three reminds me of a bike slightly hung to the side as if taking a change of direction.

I imagine a gunship variant of the Chibihawk, turret and cargo bay removed. Probably sharing some sprues with the latter... most likely wings and tail assembly.

What can I say?. It's a Space Marine vehicle. Don't expect wonders on the aesthetics front...

@mcmuffin

Again, with SMs being the Workshop's poster kids those stats don't sound farfetched at all... Now, give that flying monstrosity an all-round AV of 14 and that'll be the day I stop playing 40k. It's official.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that I hope we do getnthe stormraven. I like the model and it would be an efficient addition to the SM codex.

Failing that, some kind of predator with wings would be my next guess.

mcmuffin wrote:AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

Make it so if you choose to fire the main cannon, you can't fire anything else that turn. Balanced.

A "predator with wings" would definately fit the "missing link" phrase that's getting bandied about, just in this case it would mean missing link between the landspeeder and the stormraven

H.B.M.C. wrote:What's coming out of it in that picture?

Rhinos? Land Raiders?

That's be cool to have a giant flyer to use in game & also is used as an army transport!

ph34r wrote:

mcmuffin wrote:This irritates me. GK are not overpowered, any good player can beat them with any army.

*If they are more skilled and/or lucky

A more skilled player beating a less skilled player, what a crazy concept. We must stop that...

Here are a few characteristics of the possible Stormbird model....

cockpit section - 2 flight officers sat back to back facing wall pancels by the hatch. beyond them 2 hard-wired pilot servitors. (Horus Rising)
Cannons mounted under the cockpit. (False Gods pg.88) Stormbirds were launched from launch rails.
Stormbirds - monstrous, fat-bodied flyers with racks of missiles slung under each wing and wide rotary cannons seated in forward pintle mounts.(False Gods pg.91)
Debarking ramp dropped from the rear of the stormbird. (False Gods pg.103)
It also mentioned about its capacity to carry a speartip. (a company of space marines).

I’m sure in the next codex there will be some kind of fighter/ bomber, like the ones most races seem to be getting recently. Rather than some kind of gunship.

People seem to be getting confused about the ‘’missing vehicle’ ‘.It was always supposed to be a tank that was somewhere between the rhino and land raider, With the stc being lost over the millennia. which the landest faction of the mechanicium are trying to piece it together from redundancies of both vehicles.

Which suggests to me it is referring to some kind of dedicated midsized tank, possibly like some kind of leman Russ rather than anything aerial.

i'm hoping for what is essentially a flying version of the eldar falcon. a 12/12/11? Flyer with a typhoon missle launcher twin linked assault cannons under the chin and two missiles (thats all you get) which yield large blast templates at str 7 ap3 and it can drop 5-6 assault squad marines (yea for chaplinss with jump packs).

krazynadechukr wrote:Here are a few characteristics of the possible Stormbird model....

There is no possible Stormbird model. They're not going to make a plastic kit that dwarfs a Thunderhawk.

A stormbird must be the size of a tau Manta, If not bigger. I don't see one ever being released even by forge world.

SickSix wrote:

mcmuffin wrote:AC-130 eh?

So, main gun= S9 Ap2 48" Heavy 1 Large Blast
Smaller cannon= s6 AP 5 48" Heavy 5, blast
Gatling gun= S5 AP- Heavy 15?

how does that sound, oh, and it can fire at different targets in the same shooting phase

Make it so if you choose to fire the main cannon, you can't fire anything else that turn. Balanced.

Perfect

The names of the flyers seem to follow a pattern. e.g. Thunder Hawk, Storm Raven (storm related then a bird), so the next one should be called *drumroll*...
Lightning Pigeon!

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:Here are a few characteristics of the possible Stormbird model....

There is no possible Stormbird model. They're not going to make a plastic kit that dwarfs a Thunderhawk.

Actually, they said the model would fit between a Storm Raven & a Thunderhawk....

johnstewartjohn wrote:I’m sure in the next codex there will be some kind of fighter/ bomber, like the ones most races seem to be getting recently. Rather than some kind of gunship.

People seem to be getting confused about the ‘’missing vehicle’ ‘.It was always supposed to be a tank that was somewhere between the rhino and land raider, With the stc being lost over the millennia. which the landest faction of the mechanicium are trying to piece it together from redundancies of both vehicles.

Which suggests to me it is referring to some kind of dedicated midsized tank, possibly like some kind of leman Russ rather than anything aerial.

This methinks?