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It's a comparison of two completely different things.
Trek is a serious work of introspective and speculative science fiction, focusing on key issues that face societies and their development. It is a hopeful show that highlights both the successes and failures of humanity and other species as they continue to grow and develop.
Star Wars is a silly space opera involving space mages for 12 year olds, with about as much depth and character development as an episode of animaniacs.
I just don't understand how people can even compare the two.
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But both of the JJ Abrams-era trilogies for both Franchises are trash. Star Trek 1 was the best of the lot.
Interesting. I love Star Trek, but I've never met a fan of the first movie before. It was a pretty intellectual film with little of the space swashbuckling the series was known for
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But both of the JJ Abrams-era trilogies for both Franchises are trash. Star Trek 1 was the best of the lot.
Interesting. I love Star Trek, but I've never met a fan of the first movie before. It was a pretty intellectual film with little of the space swashbuckling the series was known for
I believe he was referring to Star Trek 2009, the first reboot film. As for TMP, the original Star Trek 1, I really enjoy watching it because it is so different from most other science fiction films. There’s something compelling about an ambitious failure. It’s not my favorite Star Trek movie by far, but it is probably the one I’ve rewatched (parts of) the most.
If you haven’t seen the Star Trek Ships Only edits include Youtube, I recommend them.
I personally like how cerebral ST:TMP was. It was kind of nice to see them get back to exploration and solving a problem with something OTHER than Phasers set to Castrate.
for me it really depends what I feel like, if I want a cerebral show, trek scratches that itch, if I want a blam blam pew pew space action, SW is better
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Back in the day definitely Star Trek, but these days Star Trek is pretty awful except from the movies and Star Wars has the Mandalorian. Still a Trekkie but love both.
I'll take the universe that looks like it has more going on, over the one where it's more political backstabbing and subterfuge.
Though if you ask me to choose what setting I like more for it's characters. Then I would definitely choose Star Trek TNG over much of what else I have access to.
Say what you want about Star Trek, but Juan-Luc was one of, if not, the most influential sci-fi characters of the time. Right up there with his predecessor Shatner's James T. Kirk.
The universe of Star Wars wins out by just appearing far more interesting.
One has to wonder. Do the Tyranids consider drop-assault troops... fast food?
Star Wars has two good movies (the first two), the rest are just garbage. Pretty brainless as well if you're an adult. Trek has some good movies and TNG and DS9. So, Trek for me, but new Trek is just as garbage as new Star Wars.
dream archipelago wrote: Star Wars has two good movies (the first two), the rest are just garbage. Pretty brainless as well if you're an adult. Trek has some good movies and TNG and DS9. So, Trek for me, but new Trek is just as garbage as new Star Wars.
Wait- so the only good Star Wars films are A New Hope and The Holiday Special?
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BrianDavion wrote: for me it really depends what I feel like, if I want a cerebral show, trek scratches that itch, if I want a blam blam pew pew space action, SW is better
To me, Trek always felt like a sort of quasi-cerebral show. It purported to explore philosophical and ethical questions, but ultimately relied on oversimplification and Gene Roddenbrrry's idealism too much to actually address any of the issues it brought up. Also, the insistence that Kirk must be right all the time- even when all evidence and logic seem against him- is really detrimental to all of the story telling. It is like the universe bends to the will of Kirk.
Star Trek is the embodiment of pro-colonialism in science fiction. Every alien species that they come into contact with has a lot that they could learn from the human's western neutral culture- even seriously more advanced races like Q. When Gene Rodenberry died, some of the new writers took the chance to present a dark side to the Federation, and it became quickly obvious that Rodenberry's utopia was a dystopia all along. But it seems like most of the fans really hated that.
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Star Trek generally has better writing and it undoubtedly has more consistent writing. DS9 as a storyline trumps anything Star Wars has done in live action. The best episodes of TOS and TNG are up there as well.
As a secondary part of writing, Star Trek has much better characters, particularly in DS9. Also, Star Wars places far too much emphasis on the Jedi and Sith. You could argue it's more of a heroic fantasy, but it's also questionably elitist.
Star Wars has a much better world. Both franchises do a good job of world building, but I prefer Star Wars. It's not anywhere near realistic in terms of science or politics, but it also doesn't become a slave to technobabble at times.
Star Wars has hands down better visuals across the board. I think this is Star War's greatest strength, the producers nail design like no one else.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
dream archipelago wrote: Star Wars has two good movies (the first two), the rest are just garbage. Pretty brainless as well if you're an adult. Trek has some good movies and TNG and DS9. So, Trek for me, but new Trek is just as garbage as new Star Wars.
Wait- so the only good Star Wars films are A New Hope and The Holiday Special?
The Holiday Special was the epitome of a TV variety show, not a film.
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Star Wars has a much better world. Both franchises do a good job of world building, but I prefer Star Wars. It's not anywhere near realistic in terms of science or politics, but it also doesn't become a slave to technobabble at times.
I would argue that both settings have some major world building problems, but that Star Trek actually has more.
What it comes down to is that Trek was created with ludicrous optimism about the future of humanity. Dedication to science has allowed humans to solve every problem that every could exist. There is no scarcity of resources, no inequality, no money or capitalism, etc. So now that the humans have done everything perfectly, it is up to them to spread their cultural norms across the galaxy. I think the moment that I hated the most was when they had Mark Twain criticize and then completely approve of this colonial idealism.
That colonial idealism is exactly the kind of colonial idealism that led to several genocides of native peoples on our planet, and it seems silly to hold it up as if it represents the epitome of philosophical advancement.
Star Wars is the opposite. and essentially pessimistic instead. It is founded on the belief that all democracies can be exploited and eventually turn into oppressive fascist dictatorships. Technology and even magic does not solve humanity's problems.
Later Star Trek started dealing with this issue somewhat. But as this thread has shown, Star Trek fans don't always accept those shows as part of their canon.
The propaganda of Star Trek is exactly the kind of entertainment that Emperor Palpatine would approve of in his galactic police state as it supports the kinds of human supremacy attitudes that help the Empire's expansionism and military rule.
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I grew up on both star wars and star trek. So they were both relatively important when it come to Sci-Fi in my youth.
However over the last few years I feel burnout towards them. Star trek still going to places no man has gone before and Star Wars just feels like too much these days.
Remember not to wash my brush out in coffee cup today.
I voted "No strong opinion". Both are equals in my book, star trek appeals more to my feminine side and star wars to my masculine side.
What I mean by this is, Star Trek (to me anyway) is this goofy adventure series which is lighthearted enough to watch casually, and always tries to emphasize humanity striving to become better than the violent cavemen we are. Whereas Star Wars is this WW2 influenced tale of fight against tyranny and most of the events on the screen point towards eventual catharctic moments of battle. Star Wars takes itself quite seriously, which is both its blessing and its curse.
Best Star Trek series IMHO are
• Original series
• DS9
• Enterprise
• The Orville (Its not officially part of the franchise but it nails the "Star Trek" genre better than most official series not listed here)
(Sorry, STNG doesnt make my cut; sure it was awesome seeing it as a kid, but it hasnt stood the test of time)
Best Star Wars movies for me are the original three, because real miniatures were used. Maybe being exposed to those film shots of stunningly made miniatures is what still draws me to the GW hobby? They still look superior to me. Never cared much for Star Wars storywise, its just endless blaster/lightsaber pron, although it cannot be denied the movies redefined the genre and canonized scifi as something adults can watch. It has been speculated that without Star Wars, Blade Runner and Alien might never have existed, not sure if this is actually true but even such speculations mean what Lucas made was gamechanging.
Recently, I've enjoyed the Mandalorian series here and there, and been rewatching DS9 for the giggles.
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Star Wars has a much better world. Both franchises do a good job of world building, but I prefer Star Wars. It's not anywhere near realistic in terms of science or politics, but it also doesn't become a slave to technobabble at times.
I would argue that both settings have some major world building problems, but that Star Trek actually has more.
What it comes down to is that Trek was created with ludicrous optimism about the future of humanity. Dedication to science has allowed humans to solve every problem that every could exist. There is no scarcity of resources, no inequality, no money or capitalism, etc. So now that the humans have done everything perfectly, it is up to them to spread their cultural norms across the galaxy. I think the moment that I hated the most was when they had Mark Twain criticize and then completely approve of this colonial idealism.
That colonial idealism is exactly the kind of colonial idealism that led to several genocides of native peoples on our planet, and it seems silly to hold it up as if it represents the epitome of philosophical advancement.
Star Wars is the opposite. and essentially pessimistic instead. It is founded on the belief that all democracies can be exploited and eventually turn into oppressive fascist dictatorships. Technology and even magic does not solve humanity's problems.
Later Star Trek started dealing with this issue somewhat. But as this thread has shown, Star Trek fans don't always accept those shows as part of their canon.
The propaganda of Star Trek is exactly the kind of entertainment that Emperor Palpatine would approve of in his galactic police state as it supports the kinds of human supremacy attitudes that help the Empire's expansionism and military rule.
The entire premise behind the Federation, with the exception of some amoral outliers, was to give everyone a choice, up to AND including things like the scientist who was getting euthanized at age 60. I'd love to see examples of the Federation subjugating populations in such a way. There's enough guilt driven programming to choose from, you don't need to project that garbage into Trek...
If it wasn't for the Mandalorian I'd easily say both are absolutely fething terrible these days.
Also the Prime Directive is created in Star Trek to specifically stop something like a colonialist imperialism sort of thing on planets with native populations.
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I love the story of Starwars more. There is a better fantastical story of epic heroes and daring battles that range from the macro to the micro. It's fun to see how superhuman space wizards influence galactic politics, and how the light side and dark side are not always easy to distinguish. Good v evil has a lot of grey area in this universe, and the series does a decent job of wrestling with the downfalls of non-objective morality and how becoming a branch of the government destroyed the Jedi. Lots to unpack here and the.movies and the expended universe.
Star trek is a bit different. Following around the crew, we get to see the greater universe through the lens of kirk, Picard, etc and their crew. This tends to be more of a leadership style/leadership course for me as we compare the different styles of command of the captains, and how that compares and contrasts with others and affects their crew in their daily adventures. This is much more of a micro story telling event, where we learn of the greater universe from the adventures of the enterprise. This story is much more grounded in sci-fi reality vs the sci-fi fantasy of starwars.
Both are great, but starwars is more of an epic saga, thus I tend to enjoy it more.
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