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A dirty old man? LOL! Yeah, he kinda sends off a creepy vibe. So I have a nun in a gasmask instead. She's not quite finished and didn't turn out exactly how I planned, but it'll work.

 BoomWolf wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
In the current edition of the game... I was thinking large blocks of 20 sisters would do well actually!

This comes up every now and then and I have yet to hear someone come up with a reason why a single squad of 20 women is better than 2 squads of 10.

Faith point usage.

Not that they got a great faith ability, but still, that's A reason, if not a very strong one.

Also, 1/6 games is killpoints. less squads is better there.

Clearly I set the bar too low.

"I expect nothing, and I STILL get disappointed"

You did say you have yet to hear a reason, so I gave you one.
And given that many tornies got custom missions, it might actually be important in some of them to thin down killpoint potential.

Aren't priests BS5? Seems a waste to give them auto-hit weapons when you're paying a pemium for the BS5. I agree that tuey're too expensive to be a viable addition to a unit, but it's interesting too see that people are using them.

D

I played 1000 points of sisters today and tabled a Tau player.

List was, roughly:
Celestine
2 Sistersof Battle squads in Rhinos (dual Flamers, HK o nthe Rhino)
2 units Dominion (4 x flamers and 4 x Meltas respectively) in their Rhinos (HK's)
5 Retributors (Heavy Bolterrs)

Tau roughly:
Hammerhead
2 12 man Fire Warrior Squads in Devilfish's
6 Stealthsuits (1 Melta)
6 GunDrones
3 Crisis Suits
6 Pathfinders
FireBlade

Just in casse you were buying into the myth that the Tau codex is a win button, think again. Though I never cheer for the demise of Tau (as I am a big time Tau player), nonetheless it is nice to see that the interwebz has once again mistaken codex as more important than skill. still gotta roll the dice. Still gotta' adjust on the fly when the dice aren't cooperating at key moments.

Silly internets.

 evildrcheese wrote:
Aren't priests BS5? Seems a waste to give them auto-hit weapons when you're paying a pemium for the BS5. I agree that tuey're too expensive to be a viable addition to a unit, but it's interesting too see that people are using them.

D

I thought confessors were BS5 and priests were BS4. Don't have the codex, but pretty sure that is the case. Otherwise, EVERYONE would take one and stick him on a quad-gun (assuming they took an ADL or bastion)

Priests are WS/BS 3.

 Green is Best! wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
Aren't priests BS5? Seems a waste to give them auto-hit weapons when you're paying a pemium for the BS5. I agree that tuey're too expensive to be a viable addition to a unit, but it's interesting too see that people are using them.

D

I thought confessors were BS5 and priests were BS4. Don't have the codex, but pretty sure that is the case. Otherwise, EVERYONE would take one and stick him on a quad-gun (assuming they took an ADL or bastion)

Ah I think you might be right, I knew someone of that ilk had BS5 and assumed it was the priests, totally forgot about the Confessors.

D

Boy, sure would be nice if SOB had something like a Codex that we could legally buy to you, check on stats and things like that.
But priests have ws/bs 3 and Ld 7. They do have 'precision shot' though. Still sounds lame to me.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Boy, sure would be nice if SOB had something like a Codex that we could legally buy to you, check on stats and things like that.
But priests have ws/bs 3 and Ld 7. They do have 'precision shot' though. Still sounds lame to me.

Yeah, yeah yeah. We know, codex in pdf. I'm over it. Scan your WD for convenience like I did.

Although it's normally not accepted, because its so hard to get a legit copy, I think I'm safe in saying there's a good (correct). Combined codex available via a certain bay you may have heard of.

Also, cannoness, some kind of superior, or something else to work a quadgun alongside celestine and an otherwise aggressive force?

My sisters are rather upset by fliers at the moment, and while an allied force bringing AA is okay, I don't want it.

Not to mention, there's a certain poster on here who made a great combined codex and sends the link around if you ask.

Aaaanyways.

Quad-guns? Canoness? Not worth it. Superiors are fine, imo.

If I take Jacobus, sometimes I put him on it but I only really did that in a weird list where I took a Battle Conclave and put it behind an Aegis with Jacobus. Then used it as a counter-charge force with Jacobus on the gun.

Mostly, I just give it to the Superior in whatever squad is base-sitting.


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If you want a 'fire and forget' AA option, try out the Firestorm Redoubt. No models needed to fire.

 pretre wrote:


If I take Jacobus, sometimes I put him on it but I only really did that in a weird list where I took a Battle Conclave and put it behind an Aegis with Jacobus. Then used it as a counter-charge force with Jacobus on the gun.

Mostly, I just give it to the Superior in whatever squad is base-sitting.

This. Just have Uriah man it while hanging out in the back.

Amusingly enough, in one of my games where I did that I got FB/STW against blood angels when Jacobus shot the Quad at a Dev Squad and precision'd one wound on the Librarian. Then the Lib perils'd first thing on the guy's first turn (he went second).

Amerikon wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

Amerikon wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
In the current edition of the game... I was thinking large blocks of 20 sisters would do well actually!

This comes up every now and then and I have yet to hear someone come up with a reason why a single squad of 20 women is better than 2 squads of 10.

Faith point usage.

Not that they got a great faith ability, but still, that's A reason, if not a very strong one.

Also, 1/6 games is killpoints. less squads is better there.

Clearly I set the bar too low.

I think the best argument for large squads is the prevalence of first blood winning games. (I'm talking about core rule missions here)

Playing standard missions, first blood, line breaker, and slay the warlord are huge... Running 20 man fearless sister squads makes it MUCH harder to get first blood from you. Running with celestine helps us with slay the warlord and line breaker.

Rhinos/small units seem to be a liability in 6th ed more than anything else. Unless you reserve the rhinos/small squads to avoid first blood.

As far as the special weapons argument goes... This was a good argument in 5th ed (when MOAR melta was the theme) and holds some water still in 6th... but honestly having more bolters on the ground seems to be good also.

if you have a 10 sister squad out of the rhino they won't do much at all...

 frgsinwntr wrote:

I think the best argument for large squads is the prevalence of first blood winning games. (I'm talking about core rule missions here)

Playing standard missions, first blood, line breaker, and slay the warlord are huge... Running 20 man fearless sister squads makes it MUCH harder to get first blood from you. Running with celestine helps us with slay the warlord and line breaker.

Rhinos/small units seem to be a liability in 6th ed more than anything else. Unless you reserve the rhinos/small squads to avoid first blood.

As far as the special weapons argument goes... This was a good argument in 5th ed (when MOAR melta was the theme) and holds some water still in 6th... but honestly having more bolters on the ground seems to be good also.

if you have a 10 sister squad out of the rhino they won't do much at all...

As much as I agree with FB being important, 10 vs 20 girls has nothing to do with First Blood. No one is going to take first blood off of a 10 girl sister squad. Not when there's Celestine, Exorcists, Dominions, etc on the board. Rhino? Sure. 10 Girl Sister Squad? No way. If they do? You probably just won the game anyways, so who cares.

I used to be really worried about FB but then got over it. Sisters need mech. Repressors help out a lot with that. The additions of Flat Out, etc help transports out a bit as well.

I completely agree with the last line though. Leave them in until you absolutely have to. Of course, 20 sisters really don't do that much out of a rhino either, but that's a different story.

You people clearly underestimate the pressure a few dozen bolters can have on high-risk high-reward units, my crisis suits HATE them.

 BoomWolf wrote:
You people clearly underestimate the pressure a few dozen bolters can have on high-risk high-reward units, my crisis suits HATE them.

Let's assume a 20 girl squad within 12" of a Crisis Suit unit (really unlikely since they can JSJ, but whatever). 2 Melta weapons.

36 Bolter Shots. 2/3 Hit per. Reroll Ones is another 2/18 hit. So 14/18 Hit. Half Wound. So 14/36 Wound. 1/3 Fail the save. 14/108 failed saves per shot. 4.66 Wounds.
2 Melta. 14/18 hits per. 5/6 Wound. No saves. 1.29 dead crisis.
Total? 3 Dead, 1 Wound.

2 x 10 Girl Squads? (Slightly more expensive)
18 Bolter Shots. 2.33 Wounds
2 Melta. 1.29 Crisis
Total? 2 Dead. Two squads is four dead.

Plus you get two targets, two scoring units, etc so on.

I get it, I just think that smaller squads are better. We already are short on scoring, why be even more short?

I think I might go with 20 woman BSSs once I've maxed out my Celestians.

Amerikon wrote:
I think I might go with 20 woman BSSs once I've maxed out my Celestians.

Maxed out Celestians? /twitch

Okay, I'll bite, what are you using your Celestians for?

To run with his 2x Cannoness and 5 priests of course.

Joking aside, I've used squads of them with meltas in immolators as a sort of extra dominions. 6 squads with immolators and loaded with melta is fun.

Was kinda pricey points-wise though.

 Shandara wrote:
To run with his 2x Cannoness and 5 priests of course.

Joking aside, I've used squads of them with meltas in immolators as a sort of extra dominions. 6 squads with immolators and loaded with melta is fun.

Was kinda pricey points-wise though.

Yeah, I did that in 5th ed before allies to try to fill the last 200 points at 2k or so.

 pretre wrote:

Amerikon wrote:
I think I might go with 20 woman BSSs once I've maxed out my Celestians.

Maxed out Celestians? /twitch

Okay, I'll bite, what are you using your Celestians for?

Shandara had it right. I was being a little snarky. I was going for the SoB equivalent of "when hell freezes over".

Hehe. I might have to steal that then.

I got really confused because I'd read your BRs and they were good. Maybe you had found a way to use them that I never anticipated.

Glad the world has not been turned upside down. lol

Okay, so despite my best efforts in trying to only use models that I already own until GW give us some plastic, I'm gonna spend a little money so I can run Doms. I currently run 2 Seraphim squads at the mo, but want to switch them out for some Doms.

So how's best to run them? There seems two schools of though on the matter: 10 doms, with 4 meltas in rhino or 6 doms, with 2 meltas in MM immo.

I'll run through the pros cons I see quickly.

Either way you get a nice scout move to get you closer to the enemy 10doms gives more redundency as you can take more melta and have extra bodies to soak up wound. Downsides are you've got a shorter range, especially if you want that 2D6 goodness.

Smaller squad you're stillgetting the scout move, less special weapin shots, less wound sponge but you get a TL MM, which may be in range T1 after you've moved.

So what does everyone else do?

D

I run them one of three ways:
- 5 Doms, 2 Flamers (optional Combi) in TL-MM Immo
- 10 Doms, 2 Flamers, 2 Melta (optional Combi) in Rhino
- 10 Doms, 2 Flamers, 2 Melta (optional Combi) in Repressor

I usually run:
5 women, 2 Melta, VSS w/ Combi-Flamer in a TL-MM Immolator

In 5th I ran
10 women, 3 Melta, 1 Flamer, VSS w/ Combi-Plasma in a Rhino

I like that particular load out for 10 women b/c one TL Flamer is usually good enough for all but the biggest horde units. The extra meltagun and the combi-plasma is good for popping MCs and gives you an extra boost against vehicles that NEED TO DIE.

I usually go:
5 girls, 2 melta + combi-melta in TL MM Immo

We usually play 1750 here so I have to keep it lean.

It'd be great if we could get plasma on Doms other than Combi.

Two cannonesses? I get teased for bringing one.