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Among other things, I think not waiting for print jobs should speed this up quite a bit.

 RiTides wrote:
Necros, is it going to be different for the current campaign? I.e, when he says "your project requires quite a bit of work" and "this campaign is not typical so I can not estimate when it will complete", is there something different this time around that will make the turn-around time meet it's target from the Kickstarter?

No the issues with the first campaign are much different. It's actually been pretty confusing for them because I made so many wacky pledge levels. Like, one guy gets 1 starter and 1 building, the next guy gets 2 starters and 1 building, then the next gets 1 starter and 4 buildings. So pretty much unless you ordered just 1 starter set, your order was unique and takes extra time to organize and pack up.

For the new campaign, it was all designed by Game Salute to their specs so they're in control of pretty much everything. That frees me up to just worry about designing the game and that kind of stuff

its still only 248 orders though, it shouldn't be *that* hard to manage.

Only approximately 35% to 250% harder!

 Alpharius wrote:
Only approximately 35% to 250% harder!

Is that trying to be a jab at our backer totals?

Cyporiean wrote:its still only 248 orders though, it shouldn't be *that* hard to manage.

It's a good point, though, and that's why I was wondering what the hang-up was.

I mean, heck, I sorted and packed 40 different unique sets of Dakka Dice, and it took me 2 evenings.

If I was doing it at my work, I feel like I could do 6 times that in definitely no more than a week... so that's why I was wondering.

Yeah I agree. But I think the issue is they have a lot of other games too and till now they've pretty much only done boxed games, but for mine they have to gather up all the minis, count out the bases, get the cards & quickstart rules, pack em in baggies and stuff em in the box with the battlefoam sheets, shrinkwrap, etc. The boxed games are mostly all done with companies like Panda, so they just have to grab the board game off the shelf and ship it out. For me they're doing everything but casting the minis.

So yeah, like everyone else I'm just waiting and hoping they start shipping soon.

 RiTides wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:its still only 248 orders though, it shouldn't be *that* hard to manage.

It's a good point, though, and that's why I was wondering what the hang-up was.

I mean, heck, I sorted and packed 40 different unique sets of Dakka Dice, and it took me 2 evenings.

If I was doing it at my work, I feel like I could do 6 times that in definitely no more than a week... so that's why I was wondering.

If it was just Necros trying to manage things with real life/day job, I'd be more understanding. But Game Salute has been in business for a few years, they should be able to fulfill 248 unique orders in a few hours.


For transparency:
OTL mostly consists of myself and MiskatonicAlum, when a restock comes in (Usually around 2,000 miniatures) we have to sort bits/bag them/sort into labeled bins. This process takes about 5 hours.
After that stage, I'll sort them into being blisters, boxes, or starter sets depending on what is generally needed all with basic labeling or proper labels/shrink wrap, this will take about 1-3 hours.
When a customer order comes in (IE a few boxes/blisters), it takes about 5 minutes to sort/pack/label the shipping box if USPS is working, retailer/distributor orders usually take longer due to the size.

I have to agree. Each box set should not be getting built per order. If they aren't breaking it down into logical steps that is a much bigger problem. I'm a backer, so I'm directly affected by these continued delays.

Also, that answer from GameSalute is in no way acceptable. Its a dodge. And is extremely worrying. Game Salute should have a plan for organizing and completing this stuff, and that plan should have one or more expected completion date. That they either do not or refuse to provide it is not good.


Edit - to be clear who I'm talking about

 Gymnogyps wrote:


Also, that answer from GameSalute is in no way acceptable. Its a dodge. And is extremely worrying. Game Salute should have a plan for organizing and completing this stuff, and that plan should have one or more expected completion date. That they either do not or refuse to provide it is not good.

I agree completely, thats how it came off to me as well. If it is because they are doing something thats new to them they are learning a bit from it, and next run will be smoother and faster.


Necros...I do feel for you, being stuck in the middle of all this, dont envy that position at all...but be aware that we do know where the delay is and that theres little you can do about it.

I think this might be faster: http://gamesalute.squarespace.com/contact/

They're working hard to get it done. And yeah next time around they'll have a system in place and this won't happen again. Minis are a whole new thing for them so I guess there were some growing pains. I know they have several other kickstarters to take care of too and the warehouse guys have all been on overtime getting everything done.

But.. in other news, got some WIP shots of the Dockside Drifters from Bob Naismith They're not done yet, but here they are so far

Ill give you credit, your choice of sculptors doesnt let down. I have a feeling its going to get you a lot of people with multiple gangs. Then again, isnt that the great part of skirmish games...small numbers of minis allow the gaming dollar to go farther.

Looks great so far.

The Drifter with the 2 hatchets does't look "proper" in the bottom most picture.

Eric

Here's the first "green" from Wilde's Rangers, Private Ambler

Whoever you host your pictures with is work blocked for me, which sucks.

Any word if we can expect the original kickstarter stuff to ship before christmas?

Could always just upload them to Dakka, since they are wargaming related.

Also MM, is it because the dual axe drifter looks kinda pigeon toed?

I think it's because he looks off balance, a kind of bulge on the left side of his torso.

I use my own website to host the images.. www.blackwatergulch.com .. I could try putting them somewhere else.. maybe I could do flickr or something.

He's not finished, needs a few tweaks like straightening out the foot and adding the tab between the feet and some other tweaks, but that's more or less how he'll look. For the 3D sculpts anyway we're also going to have a standard set of guns so that they will match and always be the same size. Maybe later on we can do 3D prints of the separate guns and make resin casts for them for the traditional sculptors to use too.

I haven't heard anything about the shipping :( I'll go bug them again. Right now I'm as much in the dark as everyone else, just waiting and waiting...

If your website, and other sites are work blocked for Caty, Flickr is going to be as well. There's nothing wrong with hosting them on your site (I can see them), but it might not be too bad to rehost them here on dakka. You'd still own copyright, but it would allow people who are work blocked to see the images, since we can get to dakka anyways. Like I know flickr and photobucket (and most image hosting sites) are work blocked for me, but since I'm on dakka, anything with a dakka url won't be

Though my work hasn't blocked a single game company, so I can generally see those images.

 Necros wrote:
I use my own website to host the images.. www.blackwatergulch.com .. I could try putting them somewhere else.. maybe I could do flickr or something.

You should host them on Dakka Dakka, the site of the Official Blackwater Gulch Forum!

good point I can add the WIP stuff to the gallery

Awsome, now I get to see what everyone else gets to see!

OK, here he is in the Dakka gallery

 Alfndrate wrote:
Also MM, is it because the dual axe drifter looks kinda pigeon toed?

I'm going based on memory (pics are blocked for me from work, too... I can only see Photobucket hosted images while at work). I seem to recall that he looked off balance, though. Like he was about to fall over.

Eric


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 Necros wrote:
OK, here he is in the Dakka gallery

Oh. That's very nice.

My only issue would be that he looks too upright - too straight backed. He should be leaned forward just a bit.

Eric

I like the pose as is - no need to hunch him up!

Look at the top right pic in the image, Alph. That doesn't look like an unnatural pose to you?

Eric

Shot Game Salute an email a bit ago about the first campaign and this is what I got:

BrookM…

Here's our warehouse manager's status report: "This project has been complex, considering we have needed to do all of the assembly. We are nearing the end of it but I don't have any firm dates on shipping. We are doing all that we can, each day."

I hope you can be patient a little longer.

Thanks
David

I'm worried now okay, they've been packing this stuff for over two weeks now and still no firm dates in sight?!

Necros, you really need to apply some pressure on these guys to get their act together.