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A space wolf librarian/rune priest/whatever in deathwatch on a routine mission with a squad of deathwatch marines, whom he is leading, come in contact with a (rogue) inquisitor.

He convinces them to assist in finding something on the planet, it's a herald of tzneetch that is artefact bound. They kill the demon once, the inquisitor binds the demon to his will, and the demon reappears (due to the "Split rule") as two different demons and then both of them and the inquisitor train their attacks on the marines. The space wolf effectively immediately defects and bad things happen to the remaining marines before they are forced to regroup elsewhere.

...

So this info reaches the watch captain. The inquisitor is currently restricted to a sector due to the range of his sorcery power "Create Door" and as such so is the renegade space wolf.

What is standard protocol for this, if there is anything...

Small note: The space wolf peril and chilled in non-existence for a minute during the mission. He also would peril on purpose to kill vegetation on the jungle planet.

Fluff hounds, help me out if you can.

General procedure for any rogue astartes is kill it with fire, as I recall.

Death.

In fact, the Watch Captain might ring up his buddy, Logan Grimnar and say, "Hey, I wanted to let you know, before this goes public, that the boy you sent me done gone bad. You guys wanna roll this way and take care of him before I have to get outside help? Yeah? Cool, we'll leave the door open. Oh, we still on for beer and poker on Friday? Awesome."

a wolf fall to chaos?

nope

DIDM wrote:a wolf fall to chaos?

nope

Ever read the story about the Wolf of Fenris?

Unlike the GK, the Space Wolves hold no special protections against the lure of Chaos. It's unlikely, sure (as it would be with any true Loyalist chapter) but not impossible.

DIDM wrote:a wolf fall to chaos?

nope

Puppies follow the biggest Alpha.

Codex Chaos Space Marines p. 59 wrote:
On the starboard side, it seemed at first that the Red Corsairs might be held out of the gun decks. Then without warning, several of the Space Wolves turned on their brethren, attacking them from behind before surrendering to the mercy of the Blood Reaver. They recanted their oaths to the Space Wolves, Leman Russ and the Emperor, and swore new pledges of loyalty to Huron. As a reward for their treachery, Blackheart granted them command of the Wolf of Fenris.

OK so kill it with fire, I knew it basically was that, but the protocol.

The two in question have to still be in the sector, who and/or what it sent after them to "Kill with fire"? In what order would what be sent? Could the watch captain dispatch marines to deal with it? Would the inquisition be called?

I recall someone saying in one of the books the inquisition went to the thane or whatever it's called (space wolf base) and all the inquisition and some grey knights got killed. Relevant?

All Space Marine Chapters prefer to handle their dirty laundry "in house" and not involve any outsiders, whether those be Marines or Inquisitors.

So, what happens is really dependent on the Watch Captain in question. If he has the talent, Ally: Space Wolves or a similar talent (I'm assuming a Deathwatch game here) the he would most certainly be sending a message to the Space Wolves to come and take care of their fallen brother.

If he's not... well, depends on which Chapter he comes from, actually. Some might be more allied to the Wolves than others, and might still send such a message, or might relish the thought of testing themselves against a Space Wolf, with no holds barred.

In this scenario, with a traitor Marine and traitor Inquisitor, he might call the Inquisition, who can bring a fleet to glass the planet they're hiding out on.

Well here's the funny thing, the current watch captain is a dark angel who doesn't like space wolves in the slightest, please see the following thread:

(different space wolf and player mind you) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/398997.page

Primary issue is they are on one of the planets in the jericho reach, which contains chaos, tau and nids. See map here: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/deathwatch/minisite/support/deathwatch-jericho-reach-map.pdf

Psienesis wrote:Unlike the GK, the Space Wolves hold no special protections against the lure of Chaos. It's unlikely, sure (as it would be with any true Loyalist chapter) but not impossible.

Actually the Canis Helix, the SW geneseed, does afford greater resistance to the influence of Chaos, though it doesn't make them completely incorruptible.
(Still, they're apparently less corruptable than the Grey Knights, what with their wandering around in the Warp, ritualistic slaughter of true servants of the Emperor, affiliations with foul Xenos, and apparent use of heretical equipment.)
Rune Priests, though, being both psykers and in a Chapter with a great distrust of such things, have to be even less susceptible than usual for a SW, because they will be distrusted and watched unceasingly like hawks for any sign of going over the edge.

As for the Wolf of Fenris, if it looks like a Space Wolf, walks like a Space Wolf and fights like a Space Wolf, it's probably an Alpha Legionnaire . (Or maybe just one of them managed to pose as a Wolf Priest and thus corrupt several too-short-in-the-tooth-to-know-better Blood Claws. Not their fault, really. They're too easily excitable, like puppies.)

And finally, to the OP's question: Depends on the man in the hotseat - if he doesn't want his superiors to find out the mission went tits up, he might go after them himself with what remains of his killteam.
Or he might call a buddy in the Ordo Hereticus or Ordo Malleus. Inquisition might (or might not, depending on what the two are up to) send in an Inquisitor's investgative team, one or more Inquisitor(s) with full retinue, or a Grey Knight Killteam. (A rogue Inquisitor *and* a rogue Space Marine psyker teaming up is pretty darn bad news - I'd recon they'd do one of the latter two).

Or he might call the Space Wolves if he's buddies with them. They would then call a blood-feud on the rogue RP or something and get positivley medieval on his ass.

Or he might report to his superiors (Ordo Xenos controls the DW, as I recall), putting the greater good of the Imperium over his own sense of pride (and probably over his own sense of self-preservation as well).

His superiors, then, could do any of the above, as well as send in a new killteam, nuke the planet from orbit, send out a sector-wide "Wanted: Dead or Alive" poster to any or all levels of clearance within and/or without the Inquisition (if their current location is unknown), or lose the entire incident in the labyrinths of the Imperium's infamous bureaucracy.

Really, it's entirely up to the DM how the Imperium handles this - as long as it's reasonably logical.

DIDM wrote:a wolf fall to chaos?
nope

You may wish to read Codex: Space Wolves.

[BLAM!]

Bran Dawri wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Unlike the GK, the Space Wolves hold no special protections against the lure of Chaos. It's unlikely, sure (as it would be with any true Loyalist chapter) but not impossible.

Actually the Canis Helix, the SW geneseed, does afford greater resistance to the influence of Chaos, though it doesn't make them completely incorruptible.
(Still, they're apparently less corruptable than the Grey Knights, what with their wandering around in the Warp, ritualistic slaughter of true servants of the Emperor, affiliations with foul Xenos, and apparent use of heretical equipment.)

You mean Space Wolves don't arbitrarily slaughter Sisters (look toward p. 19) or use heretical equipment (look towards Lucas cherished pistol) or make pacts with Xenos allies (look towards that Wolf Lord who had a great party with Striking Scorpion Honour Guard carrying dead Space Wolves respectfullly into the great hall).

Totally less corruptable those Wolves by your standards it seems.

Zweischneid wrote:

You mean Space Wolves don't arbitrarily slaughter Sisters (look toward p. 19) or use heretical equipment (look towards Lucas cherished pistol) or make pacts with Xenos allies (look towards that Wolf Lord who had a great party with Striking Scorpion Honour Guard carrying dead Space Wolves respectfullly into the great hall).

Totally less corruptable those Wolves by your standards it seems.

At least they still don't run around in the Warp .

Those sisters came to attack the wolves, and said wolf lord proceeded to start a three-way war between the Wolves said Eldar and the Orks (admittedly, because some idiot mistranslated mon-keigh as monkey instead of its actual meaning of "sea slime"). And Lucas may be an idiot, but I could find no mention of a plasma pistol being heretical anywhere.

But let's not derail the thread into a Wolf love/hate vs GK love/hate fest because in my response to the OP I made a few tongue-in-cheek comments on what I consider bad bavkground (I consider a lot of the new SW fluff fairly bad as well, actually).

Zweischneid wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Unlike the GK, the Space Wolves hold no special protections against the lure of Chaos. It's unlikely, sure (as it would be with any true Loyalist chapter) but not impossible.

Actually the Canis Helix, the SW geneseed, does afford greater resistance to the influence of Chaos, though it doesn't make them completely incorruptible.
(Still, they're apparently less corruptable than the Grey Knights, what with their wandering around in the Warp, ritualistic slaughter of true servants of the Emperor, affiliations with foul Xenos, and apparent use of heretical equipment.)

You mean Space Wolves don't arbitrarily slaughter Sisters (look toward p. 19) or use heretical equipment (look towards Lucas cherished pistol) or make pacts with Xenos allies (look towards that Wolf Lord who had a great party with Striking Scorpion Honour Guard carrying dead Space Wolves respectfullly into the great hall).

Totally less corruptable those Wolves by your standards it seems.

Well thanks for those examples. It's just a shame none of them have anything to do with falling to Chaos.

I wouldn't be too sure bathing in the blood of your allies is pretty close to heresy. You know how khorne likes it

Khorne doesn't give a feth for your personal hygiene. Did you kill someone in battle? Y/N. Y? Khorne is pleased, please repeat.

Blood has all sorts of mystical connotations throughout history, in all sorts of fiction and real-life works and belief systems. It's not at all hard to believe that the blood of saints (the Sisters) would defend the GK from the Blood-tide long enough to achieve victory. Yeah, it's bad that the Sisters died, because this sort of thing happens to them way too often in the fluff, and the stories centered around the Sisterhood are rarely any good (I was more interested in the Necrons in Hammer & Anvil, and I don't particularly like them as a faction)... but it at least makes sense from a narrative standpoint. It is not even slightly akin to worshiping a Ruinous Power.

Bran Dawri wrote:
(Still, they're apparently less corruptable than the Grey Knights, what with their wandering around in the Warp, ritualistic slaughter of true servants of the Emperor, affiliations with foul Xenos, and apparent use of heretical equipment.)

Wandering around the Warp does not indicate corruption in any way. Not to mention that it's just one Grey Knight who has been forced there against his will. Second, that was to achieve protection against Blood Tide, not just for fun. Furthermore, they would likely have been executed following the battle anyway, since that's what the Grey Knights do. Sure, they have ties with the Eldar. So what? It's to help protect the very soul of humanity.

Rune Priests, though, being both psykers and in a Chapter with a great distrust of such things, have to be even less susceptible than usual for a SW, because they will be distrusted and watched unceasingly like hawks for any sign of going over the edge.

I don't know. From what I've heard, pre-Heresy the Space Wolves didn't even think that the Rune Priests were Psykers, but were merely able to draw on the power of Fenris. To then go against the beliefs of the All-Father seems unlikely. It's entirely possible that in fact the Space Wolves still believe that Rune Priests draw on the power of Fenris rather than the Warp.


To actually answer the original poster, I'd say that there's a fair chance the Deathwatch Captain will try to take down the Space Wolf and Inquisitor himself, but it really depends on what his character is.

Not sure if this is still current, but back in.... 2nd ed?... the Rune Priests weren't Psykers at all, they practiced some sort of shaman-magic that was... not Warp-based but.... Nature-based and made more powerful, or drew power from, ancient runes of Fenris and the staves they all carried, which were made of oak that originated on Terra, though the oak tree had long since become extinct.

If the SW in question is a member of DW then they handle it in house. If however he is simply an allie then they would contact the SW's and give them a chance to handle their rogue SW before DW handled it.

There simply is not by the book procedure as each chapter is different.

Psienesis wrote:Not sure if this is still current, but back in.... 2nd ed?... the Rune Priests weren't Psykers at all, they practiced some sort of shaman-magic that was... not Warp-based but.... Nature-based and made more powerful, or drew power from, ancient runes of Fenris and the staves they all carried, which were made of oak that originated on Terra, though the oak tree had long since become extinct.

Not really current anymore.

All recent fluff indicates that Rune Priests are, in fact, psykers who use the Warp.

A Thousand Sons shows it, Deathwatch shows it, the Space Wolves codex shows it, etc.

Librarian/Rune Priest gets added to the list of Kill-Targets for the remaining Deathwatch members...

He would be killed.
If he escaped the DW would inform the SW who would hunt him down and kill him.

English Assassin wrote:
Well thanks for those examples. It's just a shame none of them have anything to do with falling to Chaos.

That is certainly true.

Makes you wonder why they keep being brought up for Grey Knights as supposedly contradictory to their incorruptability to Chaos.

DIDM wrote:a wolf fall to chaos?

nope

lol. Ever hear of Skyrar's Dark Wolves? The Wolf Brothers? The Wolf of Fenris?

Anywho, said Space Wolf would be hunted down and killed before he turned anyone else to his new cause. If successful, woop-de-doo. If not, pretend it was and hope he doesn't emerge in the not too distant future as a Chaos Lord.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Unlike the GK, the Space Wolves hold no special protections against the lure of Chaos. It's unlikely, sure (as it would be with any true Loyalist chapter) but not impossible.

Actually the Canis Helix, the SW geneseed, does afford greater resistance to the influence of Chaos, though it doesn't make them completely incorruptible.

It's unclear whether the Canis Helix grants them greater resistance, or whether it's due to their superstitious nature (after all, believing something strongly enough makes in real in the 40k universe). But yes, I agree with you that a Rune Priest would be among the least likely to succumb.

Durza wrote:

DIDM wrote:a wolf fall to chaos?

nope

lol. Ever hear of Skyrar's Dark Wolves? The Wolf Brothers? The Wolf of Fenris?

Anywho, said Space Wolf would be hunted down and killed before he turned anyone else to his new cause. If successful, woop-de-doo. If not, pretend it was and hope he doesn't emerge in the not too distant future as a Chaos Lord.

The Wolf Brothers suffered massive genetic instability...
Some may have not and instead gone renegade but that's a handful at best...

Exactly where does it say the Wolf Brothers fell to Chaos?

as far as I'm aware, the only thing that's known about them is that they were the only Second Founding derived from the Space Wolves and that they were "illfated" and apparently suffered from genetic instability which caused their later disbanding. Nowhere is turning to Chaos mentioned.

I've tried to find backup for the Canis Helix granting increased resistance to Chaos, but come up short, though I'm sure I remember reading about it somewhere.
Perhaps in one of the Eye of Terror campaign blurbs in the White Dwarf of those days or something.
For what it;'s worth, 40K Wiki also mentions the Canis Helix granting additional resistance, and speculates that this may be why the Wulfen were able to survive in the Eye of Terror uncorrupted for 10 millennia.

Here's how it is, to clear up some misconceptions about the Space Wolves.

1: The Rune Priests are psykers, but they do not consider themselves psykers. They do not believe the Warp is a big threat and as such it is not a big threat. It happens, albeit very rarely, that a Daemon tries to posses a Rune Priest but, besides being trained in controlling their minds like any librarian, being basically children protects them further from possession. It's like
Daemon: I'm going to take control of you!
Rune Priest: You can't, cause you don't exist!
Daemon: What? Yes I can, look!
Rune Priest: Why would I look for something that isn't going to happen?
Daemon: Dude, daf*ck? Why can't I posses you?!
Rune Priest: Cause you're not real, Chaosbutt!

(Yes, the Chaosbutt will always be mentioned.)

2: There is no use of any xeno tech amongst the Space Wolves. They have access to their own tech, in the form of their Frost Blades, and they can make a sort of mead from promethium, alcohol and molten troll-fat.
3: Lukas does not have any xeno weaponry. He has the pelt of a Doppelgangrel, which might count, but seriously.
4: The main reason why it is so hard to corrupt a Space Wolf is because they believe themselves incorruptible. There is nothing the Chaos Gods can truly offer them (Exception: Svane Vulfbad) because they are so unique in their views. Khorne cannot sway them, for they do not wish to fight to fight, they want to fight so they can sing stories about it and brag about it afterwards. Slaanesh cannot sway them, because they have no wish for feelings of ecstasy and pleasure, they wanna sing and feast and fight. Nurgle could possibly sway them through plagueing them and Tzeentch would barely be able to talk to a Space Wolf without them going bananas and trying to kill him, no matter how impossible it is.
5: Skyrar's Dark Wolves are not said to be Space Wolves, they are believed to be so but only because they have a common iconography. Which the Imperial Fist Successors the Shadow Wolves also had.

On track, what would happen:
First, they would try to deal with it by having the KT trying to kill the renegade. If that doesn't work, they would attempt a new KT. If this doesn't work, they call the SWs. Should it be so that this RP and his Daemon-Inquisitor buddy start corrupting things, they call the Ordo Malleus.