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You know, I never thought about it before, but I guess Alderaan had no moons?

EDIT: Wiki says otherwise. So what happened?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I doubt that you'd see a single TIE/d taking out squadrons of X-wings by themselves. It would be dangerous, but it's meant to be. I see no issue with that.

Personally I'd love to see TIE/b, B-Wing, Z-95 and R-41. That'd be heaps of fun.

The B-Wing is my favoritest Star Wars ship.

Ever.

 Manchu wrote:
HBMC, are you arguing with yourself or me? Because I agree with the version of you that disagrees with you -- you know, the one that mentioned how the YT-1300 isn't really meant for dogfights but the one we have is "up-gunned." Good reasoning, that. Seems applicable to the Lambda as well.

I'm not really arguing with you. Not attempting to anyway. I dunno though. Putting in an up-gunned Lambda would be like putting in an up-gunned medivac Huey into a game about combat helicopters. I don't think it quite fits, certainly not when there are other better unused choices out there.

The thing is, there were upgunned Lambda shuttles that commonly got used in the Galactic Civil War...but Cygnus Spaceworks (under contract from Sienar Fleet Systems) made a few variants of the Lambda afterwards.

For myself? I'd suggest the Alpha-class XG-1 "Starwing"(aka the "Assault Gunboat") and the Delta-class JV-7 "Escort Shuttle" as better fits instead of the Lambda.
Lambda would be great to have as an objective to fight over though...

For reference's sake:
Starwing

Escort Shuttle

 warboss wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
@Peregrine

Okay, I see where you're coming from now. However, KI think that the TIE Defender could easily fit into the game without being game-breaking. All it would require is for the designers to simply decide to give it the firepower and shields of an X-wing with the agility of a Tie-Fighter, at the cost of having a point cost more in-line with rebel character pilots such as Wedge or Luke, before upgrades and without any sort of pilot skill. Throw a tractor beam in as some sort of movement limiting attack, and I think you would be more likely to see it as a centerpiece model capable of both fighting and supporting other models, as opposed to a simple spamable ace.

I dunno... Something with the shields of a Y wing, the offensive firepower of an X wing, and the maneuverability and speed of an A wing sounds like a bit much. I'd have preferred if they had just made the TIE advanced a real avenger with the different wings and 3 attack value. Imps already have an elite pair of fighters in the Advanced and Interceptor; I don't think they need yet another that takes the best of both and ratchets it up yet another notch. The rebels definitely need a spam cheap mediocre craft though and the z-95 fits that bill. 2 attack, 1 shield, x-wing speed and maneuverability, no missiles, low pilot skill... 13 or 14ish points?

Yes, Y wing shields on that package would be overpowered. Which is why I said X-Wing Shields.

And i seem to remember that the Z-95 could carry some kind of missile payload, but no astromech... gonna go look...

Those look like BSG rejects. One big problem with EU stuff is it just doens't have the design of OT stuff.

I would love to see some generic freighters and cargo pods.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Yes, Y wing shields on that package would be overpowered. Which is why I said X-Wing Shields.

And i seem to remember that the Z-95 could carry some kind of missile payload, but no astromech... gonna go look...

The z-95 might have missiles but I was just listing its config as a dirt cheap spam option for rebels (and missiles don't fit in with that). As for x-wing shields on a defender, that would defeat the entire purpose and conflict with the few "official" lucasarts incarnations we have of it. I don't recall if the defender had RPG stats in any of the wotc books (I sold off mine a year or two back) but the whole point of the defender is to make a ship that is ultra expensive that has the utility and shields of a y-wing with the basic firepower, speed, and maneuverability of an interceptor. The problem is that it makes the rest of the ships obsolete in a versus game if you give it stats remotely approaching. A production TIE avenger though fits the bill of what you're describing (at least in it's later online versus form in XvT and on) and I'd welcome either a card for the Advanced that gives you that or even a separate model for it.

Has been posted in the Misc Games Forum, but probably worth posting here too,

New ships announced!

http://swcommonground.com/2013/05/04/wave-3-ships-announced/

There's some new card pics in the article too, but this post is already getting pic heavy.

HOLY SHENANIGANS THAT'S THE MOLDY CROW!


*squee*

Finally we know. The next wave of X-Wing Miniatures ships will include: TIE Bomber, B-Wing, Lambda-class Shuttle, and the Moldy Crow (HWK-290) (an EU ship from Dark Forces). It turns out most of the speculation was correct – all except the Moldy Crow was is a great call all around by FFG. I suppose now we can all start speculating about stats, pilots, and upgrades now.

That's an amazing wave and choice of 4th ship, actually.

 Kanluwen wrote:
HOLY SHENANIGANS THAT'S THE MOLDY CROW!


*squee*

Same reaction here, not to mention really surprised at including that beaut.

Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.

Can see the Lambda shuttle being a bedrock of all sorts of shenanigans though...

 BrookM wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
HOLY SHENANIGANS THAT'S THE MOLDY CROW!


*squee*

Same reaction here, not to mention really surprised at including that beaut.

What is even more surprising is the choice of squadrons for the TIE Bomber(Scimitar squadron) and the B-Wing(Nova squadron).
Both are from the Expanded Universe and played some interesting roles. Scimitar helped design the Scimitar assault bomber and Nova were a big part of the whole 'Hunt for Zsinj'.

Color me intrigued!


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 azreal13 wrote:
Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.

How dare you insult the Moldy Crow!

REPENT!

Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.

How dare you insult the Moldy Crow!

REPENT!

Sadly


It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..

If it's cheap enough it could be a more manueverable Y-wing....

I always saw the crow as similar to Slave I in size.

 azreal13 wrote:
It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..

IMO that's pretty promising. It's got X-wing durability with a really powerful ability, and the turret upgrade icon suggests it's going to be like the Y-wing where the base firepower is irrelevant because you're always using your upgrade gun.

 Peregrine wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..

IMO that's pretty promising. It's got X-wing durability with a really powerful ability, and the turret upgrade icon suggests it's going to be like the Y-wing where the base firepower is irrelevant because you're always using your upgrade gun.

Oh, I'm by no means writing it off, but with only one shield you're in danger of taking crits sooner than with an X wing, and by the time you've thrown a couple of upgrades on, you're sailing past 30 points with this pilot. I recognise the potential is there for it to be an excellent support ship though...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
HOLY SHENANIGANS THAT'S THE MOLDY CROW!


*squee*

Same reaction here, not to mention really surprised at including that beaut.

What is even more surprising is the choice of squadrons for the TIE Bomber(Scimitar squadron) and the B-Wing(Nova squadron).
Both are from the Expanded Universe and played some interesting roles. Scimitar helped design the Scimitar assault bomber and Nova were a big part of the whole 'Hunt for Zsinj'.

Color me intrigued!

The squadron choices aren't actually all that big a surprise to me, considering how many EU pilots we already have. Fel, Salm, the two non-Fett Firespray pilots, etc. All EU pilots, so not a huge stretch to go with EU squadron names.

My Dark Forces sense is tingling.

Nice to see I guessed right on both the big gun slot and barrel roll for the B-Wing

Really liking the new models, and especially the new upgrades. Shuttle comes with 12 upgrade cards which is awesome. And getting the HWK now means that next wave we can see the YT-2400/Outrider alongside a more obscure Dark Side craft.

The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).

They've given it agility 2 and no maneuver actions, it's wheel will be interesting.

Whole wave looks awesome, although I have never read any EU stuff so the HWK holds no nostalgia for me.

 plastictrees wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).

They've given it agility 2 and no maneuver actions, it's wheel will be interesting.

Whole wave looks awesome, although I have never read any EU stuff so the HWK holds no nostalgia for me.

It's from the Dark Forces game.

Picked up X-Wing at Adepticon and love it. I am excited that the Tie-Bomber will be playable. I do love the bomber aircraft. I never really went into the extended universe stuff, but now with this I may need to,

I'm a bit conflicted about this addition. With a Kyle Katarn card all we need is a Corran Horn card now -- then we can finally have them face off for the Mary Sue Championship Belt. Plus the Moldy Crow's design speaks more to mid-90s video card capabilities than Star Wars aesthetics. On the other hand, I guess the design will grow on me despite not having seen it or thought about it in nearly 18 years. A very weird choice, if you ask me (which no one did).

Hope they reprint the basic game and 1st wave before selling new stuff. Last I heard a reprint is in about 4 months (OOP for 6 months).

It's FFG, so it shouldn't be anything new or out of the ordinary really regarding their good stuff being out of print most of the time.

 Manchu wrote:
Those look like BSG rejects. One big problem with EU stuff is it just doens't have the design of OT stuff.

Disagree, but I can see how you would say that from the crummy early 90's game renders. Here are some better pics of the Assault Gunboat, for example:

 BrookM wrote:
It's FFG, so it shouldn't be anything new or out of the ordinary really regarding their good stuff being out of print most of the time.

...which is acceptable with board games, or even rpgs, but with a CMG it's just bloody annoying to the point of severely turning off potential players...