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Man, I'm having to fight the urge to get into X-Wing every time I see something about it. I have so many games already.....

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Man, I'm having to fight the urge to get into X-Wing every time I see something about it. I have so many games already.....

It's a good "extra" game as you don't need too much stuff and the rules are pretty simple

That is true. The only "space" game I have ever had is Battlefleet Gothic, so it's not like it's buying into another type of game I already have- plus my buddy is a huge Star wars fan, so will be more than willing to play me.

I'm kind of on a skirmish game kick lately, and this would definitely be different from normal infantry wargaming. Plus, the game shop nearest me has everything in stock, so the accessibility is key.

Just have to resist the urge to make fleets, rather than just squadrons........

If anything, X-Wing is somewhere between a skirmish wargame and a board game. It's nothing like fleet games (Full Thrust, Star Fleet Whatever, BFG, Firestorm Armada, &etc).

Yup, I know that. I have played Battlefleet Gothic since it first came out, and tried some Firestorm Armada, too. I'm pretty well versed in the X-Wing game, I just have managed to keep myself from buying until now. The urge keeps coming back, though.

AegisGrimm, X-Wing is the only miniature game that I can get my buddies to play. The cost of ownership is very low compared to things like 40k or FOW, the models are very well done without the need for painting, and you get everything you need to start playing in the main box for less than the cost of a codex...
4 Ties on 2 X-Wings is much more fun than what is in the starter. Many feel that 2 starters is the way to go, because you'll want more of the dice and templates anyway.

It's cheap. It's fast. It's ready to play in minutes. It is simple yet deep. It doesn't scare the crap out of non-wargamers on sight. It seems to have legs. There is no 'codex creep', new stuff adds depth but does not break the game, nearly any list is viable with a bit of luck and a lot of skill. Support seems to be escalating not diminishing. You can viably play fun games at pretty much any point total.

In short fence-sitters...

What are you waiting for?

 Sidstyler wrote:
So what other models are you comparing them to? Personally I feel like my comparison was appropriate because, while it is the most insane pricing on the market, it also happens to be established by an industry leader. Everything gets compared to GW miniatures so it didn't seem out of the ordinary in this case.

Well, you could just as easily compare them to a single space marine grunt from the Tactical sprue, or a Dark Angels grunt from Dark Vengeance. Basically, almost all of the 28mm foot models from both Warhammer or 40k are the same size, so finding one of the most expensive ones from the industry leader to compare it to is a little dishonest. I mean, check out how much an entire booster of 7 models from the Star Wars miniatures game cost when it was active. That'd be a closer comparison than to GW. Same IP, prepainted to an average standard, etc.

 Manchu wrote:
It's always weird to see people complain that X-Wing is too expensive.

It's an expensive game per model. Though admittedly, I find US prices to be much more reasonable. Locally they want $20 per ship (even for the long time when the AU$ was higher than the US$), or I can pay $15 per ship from the UK. Luckily you need far fewer models to play. The argument risks degenerating into the old Warmachine vs 40k cost argument, though. Speaking for myself, I just had 2 more starter sets arrive (total of 4) to bulk out my X-Wings and TIEs. I'm not so sure about the EU red TIEs, and "Aces" angle, though... In context, US$25 for this box seems pretty reasonable. I dread to think of the local gouge-prices. I could potentially see getting one or two regular interceptors and a couple of these boxes, and then repainting the funky ones.



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 MajorTom11 wrote:
There is no 'codex creep', new stuff adds depth but does not break the game,

I have to admit - things like adding the Expanded Universe "Aces" pack worries me deeply on this point...

 Azazelx wrote:


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
There is no 'codex creep', new stuff adds depth but does not break the game,

I have to admit - things like adding the Expanded Universe "Aces" pack worries me deeply on this point...

In fairness for all we know this new "aces" angle could just be like the xwing and tie fighter blisters were to the core sets, excuse to get some more pilots and cards into circulation but spread them around the ships so to speak.

They showed the card text on the aces... Nothing to panic over... The abilities are well within the overall tolerance of the game for the cost. That's the beauty of x-wing, they don't go off the rails rules wise. Even now on wave 3, the closest thing they have to a broken list is a tie swarm, and while it is really good, it is far from unbeatable.

Based on FFGs track record with the game, there is really no reason to be 'deeply' concerned about aces at this point... There are already aces in every single core and expansion. They have always been there, more expensive ones too I may add. This is just a few more options and paint variants, nothing more.

By the way tom, how many crates of these will you be getting in the end?

Lol.... Since. I repainted everything I had already, this is only tempting for the cards.... Not really sure how many I will get, max 2 sets tho...

Does the release of large ships means that we will see a Star Destroyer? Or even a Death Star? What do you think?

I'm not really sure, it'd be conceivable that they'd be officially included through representation of the model as a section, for instance the 'trench run' to represent the Death Star or a huge wall/hangar on the mat to represent a mission involving a Star Destroyer.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
They showed the card text on the aces...

You really should post a link when you say stuff like this...

PhantomViper wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
They showed the card text on the aces...

You really should post a link when you say stuff like this...

Alpharius already quoted the whole thing a page or so ago.

 Dr_Grimm wrote:
Does the release of large ships means that we will see a Star Destroyer? Or even a Death Star? What do you think?

This has kind of been covered before; they would be WAY out of scale...a star destroyer would be something like 16 feet long, and the deathstar....woah.
(for scale discussions, please see other threads on that specific topic).

I like that they are adding new content...but honestly, I don't want to be flooded with ships or options. To be honest, that was a bit of a problem with many of the old SW RPG games....eventually you had rules scattered across too many books, or too many specials here and there - it also could (I said could, so please don't jump on it) lead to "power combos" as just more potentials pop up.

I love the fact they are supporting the game, and adding new ships - not sure I want hundreds of them in the long run.

Finally, a question to anyone who might play xwing and their new rpg, - are there tie ins? I mean, can you use the xwing mechanics as your star-ship combat in the rpg?

thanks!

No, the FFG SW RPGs do not use X-Wing rules for star ship combat.

 Azazelx wrote:

It's an expensive game per model.

I had the same reaction when it came out initially as my mental image had it pegged at around $10 each per mini judging from my experience buying/collecting prepainted minis like DDM and SWM. It was a bit of a surprise at $15 as it was 50% more than I expected but the quality of the minis was 100% better than what I had seen before so in the end the pricing became a secondary or even tertiary issue (even at the price my FLGS charges which is where I buy them).

And, again, it's hard to talk about per model price when you are buying more than a model.

Cmon though... you need like 3-4 ships per side and you have quite a bit of variety to choose from. for 150-160 bucks you can have 2 cores, ~6-8 expansion packs, depending on the discounts you can find.

You think, oh, that's only 10-12 ships. 10-12 ships in this game is the equivalent of like 2 5000 pt armies in 40k in terms of relative options and flexibility.

How much is 10k pts of 40k?

Tell me again it's expensive

*disclaimer - being a bit tongue in cheek here, everyone is of course entitled to feel differently based on their own preference. That being said, I do honestly believe that people who think the game is expensive are basing themselves off their purchasing experiences with other games and not understanding how little it takes to have a ton of game variety with x-wing.

I am a case in point. I have a collection 4X bigger than any sane person would need (at least) just because I had 40k brain on my first few purchases, thinking I needed a billion things to get a viable army. I didn't.

Tom, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously -- this game poses the lowest barrier to entry in so many ways, $$$ included.

 Manchu wrote:
Tom, your ideas appeal to me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Indeed, do you have gatherings in which I can learn more?

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I am of course, the space-pope in residence. We worship Roberto Benini, Kris Jenner and Optimus Primal as our deities of choice.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

How much is 10k pts of 40k?

No idea... but I can tell you how much an entire space marine chapter is to buy though. I don't have and don't plan to buy the new Marine codex so you'd have to figure out how many points it is. And... it's only one click! Think of all the time and repetitive finger tendon stress you'll save!

 warboss wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:

How much is 10k pts of 40k?

No idea... but I can tell you how much an entire space marine chapter is to buy though. I don't have and don't plan to buy the new Marine codex so you'd have to figure out how many points it is. And... it's only one click! Think of all the time and repetitive finger tendon stress you'll save!

>_>

It's about 10,000 points before you get beyond the tech marines, servitors, vehicles, and characters... That's before any boots on the ground

Also you do save some money on the 1 click bundle...

 Azazelx wrote:

It's an expensive game per model.

Check your post in a week or so mate - I've just posted a hair to you, along with an exceedingly fine pair of scissors with which to split it..

 warboss wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

It's an expensive game per model.

I had the same reaction when it came out initially as my mental image had it pegged at around $10 each per mini judging from my experience buying/collecting prepainted minis like DDM and SWM. It was a bit of a surprise at $15 as it was 50% more than I expected but the quality of the minis was 100% better than what I had seen before so in the end the pricing became a secondary or even tertiary issue (even at the price my FLGS charges which is where I buy them).

I'm going to compare the base game to other starter sets.
Dark Vengeance is a great starter if you play Dark Angels and an OK starter if you play Chaos. You get a lot of plastic, some dice, and a nice rulebook and enough materials for 2 players, but you need to spend a lot of time cleaning up models and learning to paint. You also don't have any sort of terrain in the box either. Triple the cost of the X-Wing starter.
OPEN FIRE! is also a great starter. There is slightly less plastic, but you get all the rules, tokens, dice and terrain that you need to play. Once again, you need to spend time cleaning and painting. Double the cost of the X-WIng starter.
I've been trying to find a boardgame to compare it too... DUST seems appropriate, but it is FFG and Battlefront again. You more plastic, and it is primed. You get the dice and the rules for the boardgame. The wargame rules are extra. 1/3 more than the X-WIng Starter
I guess I'll compare it to the miniatures in Wizards/Hasbro Dungeon Command. Dungeon Command is cheaper, but so are the models. You get more plastic, but the sculpts are lesser in quality. Oh, and you would need to spend $60 to have enough for 2 players.

Let's talk about expansions:
40k:It's running about $20 for a single-character model, and you need to clean and paint it. An additional unit starts at $25, and it doesn't come with tokens, etc.
FOW: A tank runs between $12 and $15 at my FLGS, once again... you need to paint.
DUST expansions run in the $15-$25 for a unit or bigger walker.
Dungeon Command runs $30 for an expansion box of an 'army'.

X-WIng expansions are $15 for small ship, and it's honestly and impulse purchase. 40k characters and FOW Tanks are never impulse purchases, largely because there is so much work I need to do to get them to the table.

 azreal13 wrote:

Pre order is up for $24.95, which will probably translate to £19.99.

No gouging here!

For anyone else that read the above and thought it was the MSRP, it's not. It's $29.95 so no real savings over buying two interceptors separately.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=174&esem=2&esum=224

 MajorTom11 wrote:
you can join us over at -

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I am of course, the space-pope in residence. We worship Roberto Benini, Kris Jenner and Optimus Primal as our deities of choice.

TRUKK NOT MUNKY!