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**lord_blackfang**

Yeah that mantic render is more an orc than an ogre.

**Wha-Mu-077**

It's an Orcgre

**kodos**

Not like that Render looks any different to the artworks released years ago or the lates resin heroes

Mantic Ogres have always been more like upright standing Warcraft Ogres and not the big belly mongolian GW things

as many things from Mantic, those are more like the classic 3rd to 5th Edition GW models rather than the later ones

**McDougall Designs**

Sarouan wrote:
New ogres look like upsized WoW orcs, with a mohawk.

I've seen better and...ah, true, it's Mantic Games we're talking about. Their miniatures are always average and 3d print market does way better for cheaper anyway.

Whatever. We'll judge by the price of their plastic boxes in the end, but I really don't expect anything much cheaper than current GW plastic ogres.

Well, when you can get mantic from select retailers at 20% off as standard, the hit to the wallet is not as bad.

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bbb wrote:
I really like the look of those ogres. Does anyone know the price and box contents?

12 to a box, standard price of Wargames atlantic kits is $35. Although these have not been announced for preorder/officially priced yet.

I'll have them at discount here in the shop, too if you are looking for better than retail.

**Azazelx**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah that mantic render is more an orc than an ogre.

Only if your idea of an ogre is soley based around the current "fatboy" ogres that GW sells.

This looks much more in line with many of the toothy old classic C23 Oldhammer ogres.

http://www.solegends.com/citc/c023ogres/index.htm

**lord_blackfang**

No, it looks abolutely nothing like any classic fantasy rendition of an ogre. It's 95% WoW orc and 5% Mantic Almost(TM)

**Maccwar**

If anyone is curious then you can see Roberto Cirillo's original 2012 concept art for Mantic's ogres.

https://www.manticgames.com/news/ogres/

The look has evolved over time with the release of the hunters and berserkers as well as the resins for Vanguard.

I have tons of the current ones still waiting to be painted - at least the new ones will have fewer straps to paint!

**kodos**

lord_blackfang wrote:
No, it looks abolutely nothing like any classic fantasy rendition of an ogre. It's 95% WoW orc and 5% Mantic Almost(TM)

not like the WoW Orcs look like classic Ogres and not like Orcs

looking at the GW Ogres over the years:

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/2rr08golgfags/_07A1297x-01.jpg

WoW Orcs:

the Mantic Artwork from 2012/13

and now we compare those 2 artworks:

Spoiler:

So if you needed 10 years to realise that those are closer to WoW Orcs than current GW Ogres, and are closer to Half-Ogres from classic RPGs, I don't really know why it is now a problem and not in the past?
because you wanted GW Ogres for cheap rather than something different?

**lord_blackfang**

I wanted existing Mantic ogres in plastic. They have a very distinct silhouette and this isn't it.

**Boss Salvage**

kodos wrote:
looking at the GW Ogres over the years:

There are a couple generations of Ogre Kingdoms missing from that spread to either side of that Tyrant that help tell the story. FWIW I think GW's Ogres are pretty hit and miss, with some great characters, some terrible characters, some great monsters, and a mediocre aesthetic but smartly designed plastic kit doing the bulk of the lifting. I say this as a person with a painted chonky Mongolian Ogre army and more extra bits than I can give away. GW has gotten better and better at their Ogre design but I don't think it's the round boy design from 18 years ago or whatever.

If we're comparing Ogres here, for my money Mierce has the best, specifically in the Fomoraic line:

https://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_min_110_000

(There are several other Mierce lines that all have slightly different designs but not as appealing as these lads and their many variants.)

When it comes to more economical gaming pieces, I'd choose the new Mantic myself, unless they flub the plastic sprue design, which is a distinct possibility with them. It's got a good, tall look and has also been designed to use the same base across multiple units, with great heroes we've already seen from Vanguard.

**kodos**

for the plastic kit, I expect 3-6 bodies with various arms and heads in the kit (hand weapons, shields, two-handed weapons) and the rest being resin parts

Boss Salvage wrote:
kodos wrote:
looking at the GW Ogres over the years:
There are a couple generations of Ogre Kingdoms missing from that spread to either side of that Tyrant that help tell the story. FWIW I think GW's Ogres are pretty hit and miss, with some great characters, some terrible characters, some great monsters, and a mediocre aesthetic but smartly designed plastic kit doing the bulk of the lifting.

Well the picture is the very same Ogre Heroe over the years, that are all models Golgfag ever got

and for the GW plastic kit, the Ogre Infantry is one of the worst model kits out there in my opinion and I have worked with the first gen pvc/plastic Warmachine/Hordes Ogres (which were expensive) and got the GW ones gifted for free from a friend (who bought into when they came out and just wanted to get rid of it)

lord_blackfang wrote:
I wanted existing Mantic ogres in plastic. They have a very distinct silhouette and this isn't it.

the render or the promo-models from the video?

**Boss Salvage**

kodos wrote:
Well the picture is the very same Ogre Heroe over the years, that are all models Golgfag ever got

Ahhhhhhh I didn't recognize the first two as Ol' Golgy, in which case respect

I thought we were talking about Citadel Ogres through the years and felt the lineup was rather slim

**kodos**

yeah, my mistake for not being detailed enough

**insaniak**

Those Ogres are shaping up to be my favourite of Mantic's fantasy releases to date. Looking forward to seeing more of the kit.

**Azazelx**

lord_blackfang wrote:
No, it looks abolutely nothing like any classic fantasy rendition of an ogre. It's 95% WoW orc and 5% Mantic Almost(TM)

Sure. I forgot that you are the absolute arbiter of everything involving fantasy and models.

I accidently thought opinions can differ.

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adamsouza wrote:

Unrelated, looks like Twilight Kin
are getting a major rework
https://www.manticgames.com/news/evil-things-come-to-elves-that-wait-twilight-kin-kings-of-war/
TLDR Twilight Kin won't be in the new rulebook but will return Halfling style as a complete army with new models and rules for everything.

hm...
From that blog:

“Hang on again – I have just bought the big red book and I have a TK army – how can I play KoW now??” fear not, trusty imaginary reader – the wonderful rules committee had included the TK in all of their machinations and balancing earlier when working on the current book – so their stats will be updated in easy army and the Mantic App alongside all the other units, and you will squeeze another 3 to 6 months of play with the old emo elves version of TK. On March 31st they will be taken down from online army lists – so please bear this in mind when picking your army for 2023.

Anyone wiht a contact in the rules committee know if the list will be available as a PDF? I don't use the Mantic app or EasyArmy, and I'm probably not the only person on Earth who doesn't. Plus I do indeed wantto keep using my existing models, regardless of whether I create a new (possibly separate?) TK force or not....

**kodos**

I remember explaining to Luigi (sculptor) that ogres buy their armour one piece at a time. Each warrior earns their pay as a mercenary, then spends their hard-earned coin on outfitting themselves. This means there’s a variety of textures and designs present on each model – although they are kept cohesive. They carry forward the style of the original models and deigns, including little flourishes cast in the ogres’ own distinctive style.

One important update we wanted to make was to the ogres’ stature. The old models were a little too top-heavy, they’d had “skipped leg day”. Using the heroes sculpted for Vanguard as a base, we’ve done an update to the proportions to make them consistently bulky all around. Ogres should look and feel like living battering rams! We’ve also taken this opportunity to introduce some female ogres – based on the Matriarch model. They’re as stocky and well armoured as their male counterparts – perfect for any battlefield.

Let’s talk mechanical stuff. Each set of frames comes with six individual ogres, each of whom can be armed with either a hand weapon and shield, a two-handed weapon, or a blunderbuss (aka Boomer)*. Each one also has access to a wide variety of different heads. We’ve worked carefully so that the heads and arms from the old models will fit onto the new ones – if you have any spares or want to mix and match.

*The crossbows were left off because it’s difficult to efficiently tool them in hard plastic, but they will be coming later as a resin upgrade!

Ronnie has just got back from his trip to Poland and managed to smuggle back some delicious plastic goodness. So the moment you have all been waiting for. Here is the first look at the brand new Ogre miniatures…. Here we are showing some of the infantry build options and one half of the infantry sprue itself.

https://www.manticgames.com/news/ogres-have-layers-designing-the-hard-plastics-kings-of-war/

**lord_blackfang**

Oh. My. God. My dreams came true, Mantic got Archon to do their sprues. No more unsculpted edges!

And posed and painted those Ogres ain't bad.

Not sure where "wide variety of heads" comes from, I see 4 heads for 3 bodies.

**Boss Salvage**

I did not expect to see Boomers on the same sprue! That's a good looking frame, especially if they're avoiding the weird unsculpted sides thing as Lord BF says.

**judgedoug**

hey Archon studios doing the plastic then?

**lord_blackfang**

judgedoug wrote:
hey Archon studios doing the plastic then?

Yea and I feel like that's a bigger deal than the 3.5 rulebook.

**kodos**

there are not many who can do HIPS in Europe and only one I know is in Poland
so unless there is someone new, it is Archon doing the Mantic models now

having production again in Europe is good news and indeed bigger than a new Gamers Edition anthology or new Ogers as this removes a lot of problems (were the soft flanks from the casting process are just the obvious ones)

**Wha-Mu-077**

I enjoy the middle guy holding the axe only on the parts without any cloth wrapping.

**lord_blackfang**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I enjoy the middle guy holding the axe only on the parts without any cloth wrapping.

He's allergic

Besides there not being any other manufacturer options besides Archon in Poland, their telltale sign is the part numbers with arrows.

Also note the sprue says Ogre Warriors (2 of 2) so it seems Mantic actually splurged for two different sprues of 3. Let's hope they don't repeat sculpts again.

**sukura636**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I enjoy the middle guy holding the axe only on the parts without any cloth wrapping.

He's allergic

Besides there not being any other manufacturer options besides Archon in Poland, their telltale sign is the part numbers with arrows.

Also note the sprue says Ogre Warriors (2 of 2) so it seems Mantic actually splurged for two different sprues of 3. Let's hope they don't repeat sculpts again.

'Six individual ogres' suggests...six individual ogres. like each being different to the next.

**kodos**

the quoted text says there are 2 sprues with 6 different bodies and as none of the heads from the painted ones match the ones on the shown sprue, I guess not only the bodies are unique

so 6 different bodies, 8 different heads, and I hope for 6 different sets of weapons

**highlord tamburlaine**

Well hot dang, Archon produced ogres?

Yeah, I'm in. Archon's quality has continued to improve in terms of layouts and attachment points as well, so that's a really positive sign in my eyes.

**warboss**

The ogres look good from a technical standpoint. I won't repeat some of the earlier critiques of the style (which I somewhat agree with) but they achieved what they were looking to do in plastic IMO.

**Eilif**

Those aren't bad. The style is nicely contemporary reflecting video game style as much as previous miniature wargames. More of the chunky detail we've come to expect from Mantic (hair sculpting so thick it looks like they've all got locs, though maybe that was intentional?...). The aesthetic lack of finer detail will turn some folks off but having a style that maybe appealing to younger players with figures that will paint up quick and easy could be a good thing.

Overall, a step in the right direction in terms of design and flexibility and meeting -if not necessarily exceeding- expectations for Mantic miniatures.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Wait they aren't supposed to have dreadlocks?

**Shadow Walker**

Not a fan of those 2 heads (maybe it is just a paintjob though) but fortunately others from the sprue look much better.