[Kings of War] Mantic Fantasy News & Rumors

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**kodos**

There is a lizardman list:

1. Ratkin - A race originally created by the Abyssal Dwarfs (Evil)
2. The League of Rhordia - an alliance of human city states and the halfling shires (Neutral)
3. The Herd - satyrs, centaurs, minotaurs, owlbears and other beastmen. (Neutral)

The following lists are in progress, waiting for background to be approved and with working titles
4. The Shattered Clans (Humans) (Evil)
5. Empire of Dust (Mostly Skeletons) (Evil)
6. Reptilians (two different lizard-based races) (Good)
7. Name TBC - fluff still to be done (Humans) (Good)
8. SUPER SECRET
9. SUPER SECRET

**Necros**

Oh I missed that. Cool, hope they finish the list soon. looks like there's suddenly gonna be a bajillion new KOW players.

**RiTides**

judgedoug wrote:
my favorite part of the newsletter...

Kings of War: The Game of Fantasy Battles

As I hope you know Mantic has been giving away the basic rule set for FREE since the game first came out, and this edition is no difference.

However, this time these are going out BEFORE the launch – because we are so confident that if you like mass battle games you’ll love these rules (and for some reason there has been a lot of next requests in the last few days).

July 10th sees the new rules go up for free download. A set will be emailed to you and you will also be entered into a draw to win one of three signed copies of the hardback rule book too – please tell your friends and get them to sign up to the newsletter.

The Kings of War Hardback rulebook will be in-stores 22nd August, to find out more about this book and all it contains please click here. (link to http://manticblog.com/2015/06/30/the-game-of-fantasy-battles-is-kings-of-war/)

Due to recent huge spike in interest it is looking like the first print will be gone very quickly. Please place a pre-order with your local friendly local gaming store now – or on the Mantic site.

I'd like to see you guy's takes on the new V2 rules when they hit. Certainly paying a lot more attention to this now lol, and didn't realize new rules were about to be released. Very good timing!

Edit: Went ahead and preordered the rulebook set, although I found checking out on the site quite confusing - the shipping discount was all over the place, and even confirmed a different amount than PayPal charged! (by $2.50, so not a huge deal, but still). Hope the rules are fun and glad to have an alternative for my chaos dwarf army I've been getting together!

**Theophony**

RiTides wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
my favorite part of the newsletter...

Kings of War: The Game of Fantasy Battles

As I hope you know Mantic has been giving away the basic rule set for FREE since the game first came out, and this edition is no difference.

However, this time these are going out BEFORE the launch – because we are so confident that if you like mass battle games you’ll love these rules (and for some reason there has been a lot of next requests in the last few days).

July 10th sees the new rules go up for free download. A set will be emailed to you and you will also be entered into a draw to win one of three signed copies of the hardback rule book too – please tell your friends and get them to sign up to the newsletter.

The Kings of War Hardback rulebook will be in-stores 22nd August, to find out more about this book and all it contains please click here. (link to http://manticblog.com/2015/06/30/the-game-of-fantasy-battles-is-kings-of-war/)

Due to recent huge spike in interest it is looking like the first print will be gone very quickly. Please place a pre-order with your local friendly local gaming store now – or on the Mantic site.

I'd like to see you guy's takes on the new V2 rules when they hit. Certainly paying a lot more attention to this now lol, and didn't realize new rules were about to be released. Very good timing!

It's almost like they have inside information of how gw actually works.....

I mean functions........

I mean operates their business.....

not sure of an accurate way of describing gw anymore. I guess they all got out in time before the brainwashing took effect and they developed the right attitude.

**Pacific**

They're all based nearby each in Nottingham aren't they.

I'd be very surprised if some of the GW guys don't still meet up with Ronnie, Jake Thornton etc. from time to time. Then you've got people who have worked from one company, or gone back from one to the other (Guy Haley etc.) Think you've probably got a pretty small community of 'games writers' who won't be corporate shills, would be very, very surprised if Mantic didn't have a pretty strong indication of what GW were planning.

**Theophony**

I think it would be hilarious if Mantic were seriously trolling GW/Kirby. Just think of it as them "leaking" info through friends at GW that they plan on destroying their world and creating a bubbleverse. Kirby is told by his lackeys of their "5year plan" and he immediately scraps everything and tries to get it out before them

. Meanwhile Ronnie and gang are sitting back with a pint laughing their butts off

. Corporate espionage at its finest

.

**NTRabbit**

Secret Agent Hewitt

**primalexile**

I hope they reopen the pledge manager... After the cluster feth the Basileans were there was no way I was going to pledge site unseen...

With Warhammer going the way it is, seems like KOW will have to do for mass battle ttg, The only positive about AoS I can see is that it is giving us nicely sculpted Basilean models.

**overtyrant**

primalexile wrote:
I hope they reopen the pledge manager... After the cluster feth the Basileans were there was no way I was going to pledge site unseen...

With Warhammer going the way it is it looks like KOW will have to do, I am glad Age of Sigmar is finally giving us the Basilean models we need.

Agree about the cluster feth of the Basileans! But they seemed to of learnt their lessons and their HIPS since then have been fantastic (IMO) Got to see the GW angels in person today and because of them I want to do a Basilean army lol!

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Yep, my Age of Sigmar, Sigmarines are definitely all becoming Elohi, etc... for Basilea. I think that is going to become as much an auto-conversion as how everyone ironically recommended Mantic undead automatically for former Vampire Counts players of WHFB.

Unfortunately, don't expect the pledge manager to reopen. Ronnie and co. are deadly serious about trying to mend relationships with local game store owners, and that might mean a serious reduction of their customary, "During KS we will give you the best deal you will EVER be able to get for these products".

There are tournament/community support kits going out, etc... and I imagine an included promise that if stores carry product, people might actually have a reason to buy them there.

**Taaloc**

Well hopefully the new version of Kings of War will give a bit more personality to the various armies. In the current edition I feel that they all lack a bit of soul. Maybe it's just because the lore isn't as established as the Old World. I'm always acutely aware that my army is just playing pieces and not an 'army' in Kings of War.

**Necros**

Now is the perfect time to try and start getting KOW into stores and taking over where GW left off when they killed WFB. I know I'll be pre-ordering a KOW rulebook rather than an AOS box set (not that I don't like it but just that it has models I don't need, and the rules are 4 pages and free, so I may as well save my cash.)

It's nice to know I can play either game with my current collection of models, but I think I'd rather be playing KOW for an army style game, and for a more skirmishy game I'd prolly be sticking with Warmachine.

**kodos**

For Skirmish level games, there is a fantasy SAGA ruleset comming in the next days (they do final playtesting now)

**Commissar-Danno**

kodos wrote:
For Skirmish level games, there is a fantasy SAGA ruleset comming in the next days (they do final playtesting now)

Fantasy Saga? I'm so there

**overtyrant**

Is there any pictures of all the latest KoW stuff from the Las KS at all? Thanks!

**Theophony**

Pretty much anything on their website was kickstarter funded. I believe manti a most recent kickstarter to ship has been their Dreadball line which just showed up to retail this week or so. The kickstarter for dungeon saga should be shipping soon (August I believe) and the KOW2 KS ships end of July to early August.

If your wondering about quality, then my opinion is they keep getting better and better. Sure there are some designs that I think are weak, but that's the same with every other miniature company out there.

**heartserenade**

Taaloc wrote:
Well hopefully the new version of Kings of War will give a bit more personality to the various armies. In the current edition I feel that they all lack a bit of soul. Maybe it's just because the lore isn't as established as the Old World. I'm always acutely aware that my army is just playing pieces and not an 'army' in Kings of War.

IMHO opinion there's nothing stopping you from using Warhammer's Old World fluff while using Mantic's rules.

**overtyrant**

Theophony wrote:
Pretty much anything on their website was kickstarter funded. I believe manti a most recent kickstarter to ship has been their Dreadball line which just showed up to retail this week or so. The kickstarter for dungeon saga should be shipping soon (August I believe) and the KOW2 KS ships end of July to early August.

If your wondering about quality, then my opinion is they keep getting better and better. Sure there are some designs that I think are weak, but that's the same with every other miniature company out there.

Oh I've been a very happy Mantic customer since they first appeared! Apart from there 'restic' period which I was not to happy with lol! No I've had some questions about the recent fantasy quality and I've always said there stuff has been getting better and better, just wanted some pics if the HIPS kits from the last KoW KS. I know I've seen the Salamanders and other Forces of Nature kits but can't remember where

**NTRabbit**

overtyrant wrote:
Is there any pictures of all the latest KoW stuff from the Las KS at all? Thanks!

Spoiler:

That's pretty much all so far, I believe

**overtyrant**

Thanks!!

**scarletsquig**

Also, Salamanders!

**RobertsMinis**

The only models I don't like are the Succubus but I think it is more the colour scheme than anything else.

**AlexHolker**

RobertsMinis wrote:
The only models I don't like are the Succubus but I think it is more the colour scheme than anything else.

They're the only ones I do like. I posted a quick recolour earlier in the thread, I'll just find it...

The quick recolour

**overtyrant**

Are the Salamanders HIPS?

**Nostromodamus**

overtyrant wrote:
Are the Salamanders HIPS?

Yes.

**Hulksmash**

Salamanders are the only ones I like off the bat from what I'm seeing.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

Thanks for the update NTRabbit/ScarletSquig I had missed out on a few of those.

I think the new Ogres look great, but that faction is generally well done anyway. But the Salamanders have me most excited, the bulky battle lizard look is very cool.

So of the many new kits to come the Abyssals and salamanders are HIPS, are many more?

**Nostromodamus**

Naiads will be HIPS too.

**RiTides**

I've preordered the rules and will build my force like I do for most games - picking the models from various manufacturers for whatever looks best. But I'm all-in on the rules! Our gaming group had been waiting to see what the next GW fantasy ruleset would be like and are now very open to change!

I think the only official Mantic models I'm using so far are the abyssal golems. Does anyone know what the "Abyssal Grotesques" listed under the abyssal dwarf army list are supposed to be / look like / represent? I saw a post on the Mantic forums mentioning a dragon ogre look, but wouldn't that overlap pretty closely with the halfbreeds (bull centaurs)?

I'm also a newbie to the rules but their two different mortars look very similar rules-wise?

Finally, it seems unit attack values are not necessarily tied to universal weapon rules right, but just defined in each unit entry?

**overtyrant**

I think the plan is to have all core infantry in HIPS and monstrous sized infantry in restic (the material seems to be ok at this size). I may be wrong in this so dont quote me lol!