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I think they look miles cooler than the GW ones. Fat guys in parachute pants?

These are awesome. They look like what I would imagine more gritty fantasy's would have their Ogres look like.

They are like giant marauding Orc barbarians. Reminds me of ancient GW ogres.

My most favorite Ogre ever from Citadel, I have loved this guy since he was available for purchase:

I gotta agree. GW does the 'fat ogre, fat dwarf' thing and I find those armies pretty terrible to look at.

But GW's LotR dwarves, and Mantic's ogres... yeah. Awesome stuff. I don't care for ogres in general, but these ogre Braves look very, very nice, in my opinion!

Oh man old jes Goodwin ogres are indeed the best. But yeah these Mantic ones look great. Although it doesn't bode well that the shaman guy kept his Tiny Legs.

"Tiny" legs is the Mantic house style, like it or loathe it it's not going away

 NTRabbit wrote:
"Tiny" legs is the Mantic house style, like it or loathe it it's not going away

Also the PP house style for Trolls.

 NTRabbit wrote:
"Tiny" legs is the Mantic house style, like it or loathe it it's not going away

Apparently it is... But only for some lucky ogres!

 Mymearan wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
"Tiny" legs is the Mantic house style, like it or loathe it it's not going away

Apparently it is... But only for some lucky ogres!

If you look closely you will find the legs of the models are the same. Just ones knees are hidden.

The Ogre braves look brutal, really like them. Not so much a fan of the warlock- it seems to suffer a bit with Mantic Mediocrity.

The Ogre Braves look good. The Ogre Warlock looks terrible. Everything the Braves do right - the head higher on the shoulders, the meaty legs, the serious faces, the Warlock fails to do, and reverts to the usual Mantic style.

Ogre braves look good! The warlock is just okay. It has small legs but not like the previous ogres.

If Mantic made their other ogres like the Braves, I would've made an Ogre army in a heartbeat.

 AlexHolker wrote:
The Ogre Braves look good. The Ogre Warlock looks terrible. Everything the Braves do right - the head higher on the shoulders, the meaty legs, the serious faces, the Warlock fails to do, and reverts to the usual Mantic style.

I'm ok with the warlock looking odd. I just think of him as the funny looking little ogre all the other little ogres picked on until he started throwing fire from his hands.

I really like both the Warlock and the Braves, I think they fit the awesome Mantic Ogre style well and plan to get them from my local internet retailer as soon as I am able. Lean, mean, fighting machines.

Then again I also think the GW Ogres are utterly ridiculous in style, and wouldn't use them if I was paid to do it. The whole fat Mongolian thing, as I've now learned it's meant to be, either they picked a gak idea, or picked a good idea and didn't get anywhere close to reaching it.

Actually now I think of it the warlock was sculpted well over a year ago by Remy and the braves were only done recently by CAD. So that's why There's a difference in style and the warlock has more in common with the original ogres.

 edlowe wrote:
Actually now I think of it the warlock was sculpted well over a year ago by Remy and the braves were only done recently by CAD. So that's why There's a difference in style and the warlock has more in common with the original ogres.

So Remy has done some cracking sculpts over the years so why is his work for Mantic often so sub-par? Do they not pay him enough? Or is someone at Mantic actually telling him to make things less good? I don't get it.

Taaloc wrote:

 edlowe wrote:
Actually now I think of it the warlock was sculpted well over a year ago by Remy and the braves were only done recently by CAD. So that's why There's a difference in style and the warlock has more in common with the original ogres.

So Remy has done some cracking sculpts over the years so why is his work for Mantic often so sub-par? Do they not pay him enough? Or is someone at Mantic actually telling him to make things less good? I don't get it.

I have a feeling it's down to the limitations of Restic as a casting medium, it does tend to lend itself more to large blocky sculpts. Some of the deadzone plague have really warped open legs from the casting, I'd supose the ogres legs being closer together would make them easier to cast in restic. Metal on the otherhand is a much more forgiving medium with its issues and benefits more widely known.

Mantic have definitely been on a quirky learning curve regarding materials, and they have happily admitted that they shouldn't have dived into restic with such glee as they did, hence the more recent figures have returned to metal or their improving plastic manufacturing. It's a shame they are probably stuck with the poorer earlier models due to the costs of redeveloping them.

While they may be stuck with some of the early restic stuff at the moment, I can see a lot of that getting phased out at a retail level as more and more plastic kits get created.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if a boxed version of Deadzone: Infestation replaces Contagion at some point due to the ease of working with plastics, especially if they go together quick and easy.

Maybe we'll see something similar with the rumored Mordheim/ Deadzone fantasy skirmish game that is talked of in hushed tones.

The beta Salamander and Varangur lists are now up.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgQY5vVHs_V19N_2lsrpk59SIF9hi6_KDBqkmyitRro/edit#gid=644257362

Feedback via the Mantic forums as normal please.

FINALLY!

Thank you.

Any DBX/KoW backers in the US get a shipping notice?

They're supposed to have these orders shipped by the end of the week, thought I'd have heard someone getting notice by now...

I'll let you know if I do. I'm not getting much from either thing in this wave but I haven't had anything cool in the mail (from kickstarters, at least) lately so I'm sort of excited nonetheless.

So that human army (the evil one) looks interesting. Sounds like a decent place for chaos players to settle with larger elite infantry and upgrades that could loosely be interpreted to represent three of the chaos gods. No Nurgle that I could tell, but I was skimming.

I hope they make leg packs for the ogres, or change the sculpts for them. I would seriously buy them, since they seem to be a low model count army and it would be easy to make them a 2nd or 3rd army.

It's really just the peepee legs that puts me off big time.


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Oh, and apparently Mantic sells movement trays now! Yahoo!

The legs and torsos are all one piece so I don't think leg packs would be practical.

 Alex C wrote:
Any DBX/KoW backers in the US get a shipping notice?

They're supposed to have these orders shipped by the end of the week, thought I'd have heard someone getting notice by now...

I didn't think Mantic shipments came with tracking, they just use Royal Mail which transitions into USPS in the US?

So they'll probably just show up in a week or two

Those Ogre Braves are fantastic. I think they are easily some of the best sculpts Mantic has ever produced. Believable legs, nice details to paint (unlike, for example, the orcs that are just covered in random non-descript shapes), faces with character, all around just great sculpts.

Does anybody know what material they will be in when they are released?

Metal.

any word on when and if the starter set featuring Goblins vs. Undead is slated for release? My son and I are switching from WFB to KoW and these happen to be our forces of choice.

The new starter is dwarfs vs undead iirc.

 mattjgilbert wrote:
The new starter is dwarfs vs undead iirc.

That's what I thought, never heard of Goblin vs. Undead being a thing.

The mention of a few starter sets over time rings a bell, but my memory sucks so it's possible I just amde that up.

 mattjgilbert wrote:
The beta Salamander and Varangur lists are now up.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgQY5vVHs_V19N_2lsrpk59SIF9hi6_KDBqkmyitRro/edit#gid=644257362

Feedback via the Mantic forums as normal please.

I find myself really curious as to the Varangur background. (Totally not for using them in Dungeon Saga, nooo....)