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Whilst I haven't examined it in detail, my first reaction to the Blaine-osaur was "mmmmm, yummy", and I've only seen positive things from others.

In this case it isn't the quality is the rate of production.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Was the Prodos stuff really that bad, or was it typical Kickstarter underperformance?

I've picked up a few pieces of Warzone stuff at retail and have been fairly happy with it.

Maybe Mantic can get in touch with Zealot Miniatures? They do their own casting don't they? They were doing Minion's stuff as well, weren't they?

Prodos's stuff is good, they're just running late (or very, very late) on both mantics stuff as well as their own AvP KS and apparently contract castings they are meant to be doing for other projects too (Wolsung).. for lots of grief see the AvP thread in boardgames


Zealot do indeed to outside casting as well as their own stuff,

but they've been running pretty late on casting the stuff from Minion (in part at least due to the success of their own KS) and this is not finished yet

so even if Mantic had used (or now starts to use) them you're still looking at delays (although the communication would almost certainly have been better)

sadly I think with more and more KS (and indeed companies) offering high end resin it's going to be harder and harder to get contact houses to do so in a timely manner

Yes, just got a package containing Blaine, Ronnie & the "Gamer's Edition" rulebook (no hardback yet). The Blaine is a Prodos casting and really is excellent - looks both clean and quite durable. The spear is rather bent, unfortunately- is that the sort of thing that you can fix with hot water?

Heaven help them with the Dungeon Saga Kickstarter though - that's also meant to be delivering soon, has over twice the number of backers, and every single basic pledge contains a resin model! It sounds like those are going to be Chinese castings, and pre-packaged at the factory.

Bioptic wrote:
Yes, just got a package containing Blaine, Ronnie & the "Gamer's Edition" rulebook (no hardback yet). The Blaine is a Prodos casting and really is excellent - looks both clean and quite durable. The spear is rather bent, unfortunately- is that the sort of thing that you can fix with hot water?

Yes probably, it usually is.

I find that with resin it's usually advisable to use hot water, bend, then use cold water to 'fix' the new position.
Not using cold water seems to make parts bend back to the previous, crooked shape in a few hours/days.

When they say "hot water", it's like, brewing tea hot, not just hot tap water.

Yeah like boil the water and let it sit for just a bit, then use it.

 Alex C wrote:

Maybe they shouldn't have outsourced a model from their core pledge to a company that is known to have problems fulfilling orders.

But it's Mantic!
So perfectly in character for this sort of thing.

Anyone in the US got their combined DBX/KoW pledge yet?

Still waiting on mine from when they supposedly shipped them a couple of weeks ago.

I know they were having trouble with supplies of KoW Blaine, but as DBX/KoW orders were supposedly first to go out, this shouldn't have affected them, right?

 Alex C wrote:

Hi there Alex C

Here we go - Bad Prodos again, judging us just by seeing just one side of the story is just...

As for Bane model, we have been given the time scale and we are working to hit it- from my understanding Mantic wanted to move to us as they could not get the numbers from their previous resin casters - and they must had some models made not by us as I have seen them on-line.

The initial 400 they needed at the beginning of the August was delivered on time.

We have been told to make around 2k models by end of August, and we are in 3rd week of mass production at 1400, with 120 a day manufactured. Thus, we looking to get there on time... I understand that the Prodos is an easy target now, but it looks like we are really have to start to defend us more often. I'll be back with Update on it, as I don't really want to Prodos be blamed for something that it's not our fault.




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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Was the Prodos stuff really that bad, or was it typical Kickstarter underperformance?

I've picked up a few pieces of Warzone stuff at retail and have been fairly happy with it.

Maybe Mantic can get in touch with Zealot Miniatures? They do their own casting don't they? They were doing Minion's stuff as well, weren't they?

Prodos's stuff is good, they're just running late (or very, very late) on both mantics stuff as well as their own AvP KS and apparently contract castings they are meant to be doing for other projects too (Wolsung).. for lots of grief see the AvP thread in boardgames


Zealot do indeed to outside casting as well as their own stuff,

but they've been running pretty late on casting the stuff from Minion (in part at least due to the success of their own KS) and this is not finished yet

so even if Mantic had used (or now starts to use) them you're still looking at delays (although the communication would almost certainly have been better)

sadly I think with more and more KS (and indeed companies) offering high end resin it's going to be harder and harder to get contact houses to do so in a timely manner

Hi there, a bit of clarification in the post above.

I don't think anyone is blaming Prodos, there's only so much you can physically cast and any issues with outsourced manufacturers are ultimately Mantic's problem rather than the manufacturer's.

Keep up the good work, the Blaine figure is one of the nicest pieces of resin I own.

@ Warzone Resurrection - I think you'd do better to keep it a little more professional there, and of course discussing Wolsung payment / lack of payment isn't really on topic to this thread (even if the same poster commented about them elsewhere). Good to hear that you expect to be on time with the production of the remaining Mantic models.

 RiTides wrote:
@ Warzone Resurrection - I think you'd do better to keep it a little more professional there, and of course discussing Wolsung payment / lack of payment isn't really on topic to this thread (even if the same poster commented about them elsewhere). Good to hear that you expect to be on time with the production of the remaining Mantic models.

Thanks, yes you might be right, well,I think, at this stage it's a bit too much of this "blame Prodos as they are an easy target" and a bit of explanation was needed. Maybe I should use my brain instead my heart in my comments above and use different wording.. but you know when someone criticise your baby and you know he is not right you may loose it a bit.

Anyhow, thanks and we hope to produce more amazing resin stuff , shame than Mantic has cam to us so late in the process (2 months ago?) as we could make more of their models with resin and casting process we have.

Thanks for your clarification,

it's interesting to know Mantic were also using another caster before the turned to Prodos as/instead

just goes to show while resin is really nice it does need to be planned further in advance than metals to allow production in sufficient numbers for a big KS

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Thanks for your clarification,

it's interesting to know Mantic were also using another caster before the turned to Prodos as/instead

just goes to show while resin is really nice it does need to be planned further in advance than metals to allow production in sufficient numbers for a big KS

That's correct, our capacity is around 6k sprues a day (the dino is on 2 sprues). 70% of that capacity is taken by the AvP and WZR.

Remaining is used up by external customers.

So most of the project we take are already late or the timing is not really there to "be on time", however, sometimes we do magic and some heresy... and we can get the numbers...

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Anyhow, thanks and we hope to produce more amazing resin stuff , shame than Mantic has cam to us so late in the process (2 months ago?) as we could make more of their models with resin and casting process we have.

Look at it this way - do a good enough job and they might come to you earlier/first next time?

Apologies to Prodos. Seems the whole story wasn't being told...

Still wondering why no US backers have reported getting the DBX/KoW pledge that was supposed to be mailed 2 weeks ago. SOMEONE with an online presence should have got SOMETHING by now, surely?

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The first quote is regarding Wolsung, the second quote is regarding KoW.

So they stopped production for Wolsung, and are producing for KoW.

My combined DBX/KoW arrived today and included the Hardback rulebook, counters and wound markers (and Blaine) even though there is note that they will follow later so they have them to ship to backers now I guess they might have held back US orders until they could do it all in one.

Alex - cheers!

The latest Kickstarter update dropped a shocking tidbit: they are out of stock for Basilian Men at Arms (and goblins).

I don't know who is doing it, but somebody is actually buying them. On purpose, even.

Would be tragic if the molds had deteriorated to the point of needing to be redone maybe regular arms could be done right on the next go.

I actually like the goblins quite a bit. Got 120 of them right here. Are they amazing? No. Worth their cheap price? Yes absolutely.

If they could redo the goblins to look like the ds ones I'd be very happy.

That would be great - those are some right proper goblins there!

I actually like the look of Men at Arms.

RoninXiC wrote:
I actually like the goblins quite a bit. Got 120 of them right here. Are they amazing? No. Worth their cheap price? Yes absolutely.

I'm interested to see them up close. I grabbed two Ogre Mega armies, so I'm pumped to see what they are like in person. the pictures I've seen of them have usually been crummy.

I like the men at arms OK. Some details are soft and they aren't top quality, especially concerning the arms, but I have a few and will be painting them up as town guards/crusaders. Those who don't get fixed with zombie arms and heads that is!

I don't really like pointy nosed bat eared goblins much so its hard for me to love mantic gobbos. Seem OK though, not top shelf but something you can crowd a regiment with.

Got the Ogre mega army right here, detail on the Goblins is fine.