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Yeah that's not bad. Looks pretty proportionate. Looking forward to zombie trolls. If I can't get enough of the ones that come with DS, May need moar.

The only downside is that all of these things are going to be in metal

 NTRabbit wrote:
The only downside is that all of these things are going to be in metal

Yay! My 2nd favorite medium!

I hate Restic, but I much prefer it for Ogre-sized models compared to metal.

On Facebook one of the Mantic guys said there's a load of non-KS stuff at various stages of development for KoW.

Has any of the new Ogre stuff been released out into retail yet?

Wouldn't mind some Braves.

But....But.....But.....without kickstarter how will we feel entitled?

glad our little Mantic has finally grown up and is now making strides on its own. Im sure we will still see them use it for Warpath, and probably other events, but im glad to see new things happen alongside the KS.

Glad to see a move towards some traditional retail releases for KOW, seems like an age since something came out under its own steam.

It is good to see that the first print run of the KOW 2 rulebook sold out as well, good news for the KOW community.

Not so good for us refugees that WANT a book...now I have to wait just a bit more...oh well!

I'm glad that Mantic is doing great! I like their rules, and the game is fun to play. I just want my fluff!!!

Any US KOW backers receive an unexpected invoice for import/duty fees?

DHL just sent me a $50+ invoice for duty-fees owed, which i've never received during previous fulfillment, or when receiving product from Mantic in the past.

Considering the gak condition they delivered my box in, I would be livid if I suddenly need to pay them extra for the privilege. :-p

Did you get your stuff yet? Or are they holding it until they receive payment?

They delivered several days ago. The box was in abysmal shape, had been opened somewhere in transit and covered with tape reading "resealed"...

I don't know if the missing items are from Mantic mispack for DHL's doing (who didn't even bother to deliver to my home but outsourced to Penske for the last leg of it).

And without any mention, I suddenly got a bill from them for $40 of import fees, and an $11 "deferrment"?

Oh, haven't got my DBX/KoW shipment yet (which were apparently sent out "first") and hoped my stuff wouldn't be held ransom.

Never heard of US folks having to pay import fees on miniature KS' before because last time I checked the merchandise falls under a category that isn't subject to them.

Seen a few people mention it though, whereas others received no bills.

Weird.

Glad to see new stuff coming out without a kickstarter involved. And more zombie trolls to go with the DS ones, yay for my undead.

If they could have 1 or 2 new units come out a month from now on I think they will do well on it. Nice to keep momentum up on the game with version 2 seaming to be a bit of a hit.

Mine showed up yesterday, but I don't think it was DHL that delivered it. Thankfully the box was pretty sturdy, and for once everything arrived relatively unscathed.

Still had my DBX stuff mispacked though.

I was a bit miffed with the art print this time around. It's smaller than the ones from the other campaigns, and it's not even signed! Would have been a nice touch to have it similar to all the other signed prints they've sent out. A small nitpick is all it is though.

My Stormcasts are soooooo going to be put to work in a Basiliean army!

 NTRabbit wrote:
The only downside is that all of these things are going to be in metal

It really depends on how multipart it is, and how well (or badly) Mantic make the connection points. The Basiliean Elohi characters were a fething horrible joke, since their wings have no chance of staying on without way too much hassle drilling and pinning, which could have been averted by making the wells and pins much deeper in the actual models. If they're done sensibly and not obliviously, then they should be fine.

Mine was left in the front hall of my apartment building.
They forgot the apartment number on the address.
If I hadn't noticed the Mantic tape all over it, I don't know if I would have realized the package was for me.

Ronaldo was missing, but i got 6 dreadball teams I wasn't expecting.

 skrulnik wrote:
Mine was left in the front hall of my apartment building.
They forgot the apartment number on the address.
If I hadn't noticed the Mantic tape all over it, I don't know if I would have realized the package was for me.

Ronaldo was missing, but i got 6 dreadball teams I wasn't expecting.

And I say, Brother Skrulnik, can I can get an "Almost!"

 Azazelx wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
The only downside is that all of these things are going to be in metal

It really depends on how multipart it is, and how well (or badly) Mantic make the connection points. The Basiliean Elohi characters were a fething horrible joke, since their wings have no chance of staying on without way too much hassle drilling and pinning, which could have been averted by making the wells and pins much deeper in the actual models. If they're done sensibly and not obliviously, then they should be fine.

yea, my elohi live in the box of shame, someday i might use them for something, minus the wings

I think the only hope for my metal Elohi might be to possibly use the restic wings from their underlings. Maybe. One day.


Has there been any acknowledgement from Mantic about how badly the DBX shippng has gone? It seems to be their absolute worst effort yet, with the only upsides being that I'm not involved this time, and that those people who are are mostly getting a gakload of extra teams for free.

If thats a mawbeast on his shoulder it be far more ridiculous looking.

I almost wonder if they just tossed the extra teams in as some sort of apology for dragging this thing out for so long.

I got extra teams too. Seems like everyone is. Has anyone not gotten extra teams?

Curious to find out what Barzam gets since he had a very small order. Would be funny to find out he ends up with a bunch of extra teams, since he didn't order any of them at all.

I'd be happy to just get what I paid for right now, regardless of any extra gak they threw in.

I got 1 extra team and 3 missing teams, does that count?

 Azazelx wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
The only downside is that all of these things are going to be in metal

It really depends on how multipart it is, and how well (or badly) Mantic make the connection points. The Basiliean Elohi characters were a fething horrible joke, since their wings have no chance of staying on without way too much hassle drilling and pinning, which could have been averted by making the wells and pins much deeper in the actual models. If they're done sensibly and not obliviously, then they should be fine.

Doesn't matter how many parts or connections to me, I just don't like metal minis, and it's even worse when they're that big - my Chief Radgrad looks nice and has big, solid connections for the arms, but he's just too damned big and heavy in metal, and even worse he's balanced on one foot.

Well that sucked... I just had to pay that $51 import fee... to receive the models.... that were my payment for prior work for Mantic.

I love paying for my "payment". Way to go gakky DHL... i've never had to pay anything prior.

Might be Customs and Excise that is to blame, not DHL - weird things happen with customs. (I know of an entire shipment of foodstuffs that was destroyed because one of the packages in the shipment contained *gasp!* Haggis!)

The folks dealing with Customs are not happy campers these days.

The Auld Grump

...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

Both the KoW and DBX KS FAQ had this on shipping

Where will my package be shipped from?

All of the Kickstarter rewards will be shipped directly from our warehouse in Nottingham, UK, so our EU backers will not have to pay import taxes.

also

Please check with your local customs office for any charges that may apply to your shipment as you will be responsible for these.

So import fees are a matter for backers not Mantic

 NTRabbit wrote:

Doesn't matter how many parts or connections to me, I just don't like metal minis, and it's even worse when they're that big - my Chief Radgrad looks nice and has big, solid connections for the arms, but he's just too damned big and heavy in metal, and even worse he's balanced on one foot.

Fair enough. Metal is still my favourite material for most models, so we'll just have to live with our preferences being different.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...the Haggis probably deserved to be destroyed, just for being Haggis.

I'd contact Mantic about those customs fees. As a US customer I don't think you were supposed to be getting hit with those.

I'm wondering if I can run some Stormcast Eternals as Basilean infantry of some sort (Men at Arms/ Paladins). 3 of them take up almost the same amount of space as a 10 man unit of regular Mantic guys- would that be allowed? I don't want to count them as Elohi since they don't have wings or anything.

I actually just spoke with Ronnie, and he said there is a shipping boogey-man, who strikes maybe 5-10 people every Kickstarter. In his experience, DHL will not bend, even if Mantic pressures them to do so, but he said it sucks, and he knows it, and said he would send me a bunch of freebies to make up for it. :-)