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4 also makes it hard to find a configuration that looks right. 5 is much easier and still gives the extra space to fit things on.

 Necros wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Can't wait to get my stuff.. between this and my Blood Rage goodies I'm gonna OD on plasticrack

Also trying to figure out how to set up my blood rage vikings as an Armies of Men army for KOW.. troops are easy enough, but not sure how to handle the giants/ogre sized minis. Was looking over the list last night and there's an option for a warbeast or something that looks to be on a chariot sized base, so maybe I can do the blood rage giants in pairs of 2 on 1 base as a kind of proxy? or would that look silly?

You might be able to use the Varangur list to good effect; they have lots of monsters. Alternately, the orcs list might be good too for giants and ogres/trolls. Either way though, you are probably going to need more models, as one set of BR won't have enough infantry even if you use the ~2/3 rule of thumb for how many bodies in a unit.

Is Varangur in the new book? I didn’t see that, but I was just kinda skimming. But yeah I was concerned about model count too. I was gonna buy a 2nd box when my FLGS gets it in stock. But, I was thinking I’d combine everyone with spears into a spearman unit, and another with all hand weapons. and do my units like that so there would be a bunch of guys different clan’s guys mixed together, and that would make for some more variety so they look better I was thinking I’d want to keep the clans together as separate units at first, but there’s only like 2 different poses so I was afraid that wouldn’t look as good. Either way as far as unit sizes go I figured I’d be using movement trays that are cut to the right size for the units and just sticking the round base minis on top, and also keep some dice for marking how many are in the unit or still alive. So I could start playing like that and add more minis in over time as I buy em.

It is in the new book, yea. They are the Warriors of Chaos analogues. Here is a good army builder with all the rules etc. (I am pretty sure it is up to date.)
Using properly sized trays and just putting men on them until you get the army list nailed down works just fine, as well as filler etc. The official numbers are in the new FAQ. I think the 2/3 rule works a lot better for the man-sized units than bigger stuff, but so long as the unit base sizes are correct, nothing else matters. Models are never removed, just points of sadness added. I think leaving a space or two on the unit tray empty to put the dice tracking those damage points is a good plan.
For the large infantry, I do think 5 is about the least you can have, unless they are big enough that they fill the 120x80mm tray pretty convincingly.

Dragon is pretty average. I think I'll just buy dragons from other sources if I'm inclined to play Elves.

The new Ogres and Zombie trolls, though. They're amazing.

Five does seem good, since it lets you do something like this, where none of the figures is directly in front of the others.

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Edit: The board does not like me formatting spaces like that, but you probably get the idea.

I think 4 could work if you staggered them a little too, and they were big and flaily, like 4 GW spawn models. A straight up diamond formation or flying V looks really odd though.

Unless the models are 50mm hockey players.

Ah, varangur are in the new book .. I kept flpping through the main book thinking I was blind But yeah just looking at the site I think they will work for the vikings. Probably a couple of regiments for the regular guys, and a couple of units of cave trolls. And I have all of the god models that could be used for chieftains, and mystics as skalds I guess? I'll have to see when I get the new book

as far as games go.. since I haven't played any yet.. is it generally better to go for full sized horde units or whatever the max would be? usually in WFB whenever I'd try bringing smaller units that I think will be more mobile they'd just end up being useless and/or dead quicker.

I think Regiments are a little more useful than Hordes. You pay a little more in points but generally get more attacks overall and a little more flexibility. I don't find the army construction benefits of Hordes to be really necessary. I almost always use Troops of ranged units too.

But as with all things, there are exemptions.

It seems to depend on the army too. Not that I have a ton of table experience, but running orcs it looks like you really need hordes, with double the attacks for less than double the price, as well as some abilities keying off of it. Then again, moving a foot wide unit across the table is irritating if there is any impassable terrain.

One thing that makes me nervous about regiments for squishier (worse than 4+ to kill) is that they are not too difficult to melt or waver with a good round of shooting. I might just suffer from crap rolls, but having a troop of Gore Riders waver and then get chased off the table subsequently by some skinks doing some minor shooting really put me off small units that are not just throw away screens.

The nice thing about running an ogre horde is it only consists of 12 figures, so I could feasibly get by with a whole ten guys.

Just wish I could find a local store to play at this wasn't staffed or frequented by the most frightening packs of basement dwellers I've met in quite a few years.

New podcast with lots of Trident Realm spoilers:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/fourfootsnake/Episode_1_-_27OCT15.mp3

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The nice thing about running an ogre horde is it only consists of 12 figures, so I could feasibly get by with a whole ten guys.

Just wish I could find a local store to play at this wasn't staffed or frequented by the most frightening packs of basement dwellers I've met in quite a few years.

Isn't and ogre horde six models?

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The nice thing about running an ogre horde is it only consists of 12 figures, so I could feasibly get by with a whole ten guys.

Just wish I could find a local store to play at this wasn't staffed or frequented by the most frightening packs of basement dwellers I've met in quite a few years.

Isn't and ogre horde six models?

Yes, he means a Legion.

So I’m assuming the vandahur are all 25mm bases like gw chaos? I think the blood rage vikings are more like 20mm, but I’ll probably just order up some movement trays from litko or some place like that, but the solo guys will need a right sized base, but that's easy.

just based on the unit names alone… guessing the thralls are like regular troops (20mm?), and the bloodsworn are like big chaos warriors (25mm?)? I’d probably do them as couple regiments of bloodsworn cuz that sounds cooler, and probably mix the mystic minis in with them for spice.. or a magus conclave? Then a couple hordes of cave trolls, the wolfman mini could probably be a Cursed Son, Fenris could be a Devourer (cuz dogs devour things), and then I’ll have enough minis left over with the different gods and others to be cheiftains, skalds or maguses

Now I just have to find someone to play with….. or more like teach me how to play because I never remember the rules.

Infantry is 20mm as standard. A unit will specify if it's on a 25mm base in its entry.

Most Varangur are on 20mm bases.

Only the super mega "Chosen" Warriors are on 25mm.
They're called Sons of Korgaan

http://kow2.easyarmy.com/

It has all relevant unit descriptions for you

Yeah, I can't count in the middle of the night.

Ogre horde is a whopping 6 models.

A legion is 12.

Either way it's an army that I can actually get painted versus the hundreds of short little guys I'd have to paint for a dwarf army.

I'm going to have to check out the lizard list and see if I can scrape an army together.

I really like the prospects of a nature army fed from bones 2 and some various other sources. I've got some trees that need rebased and maybe now they just need to be tree dudes...


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With allies possibly from the herd list represented by my bones bugbears and gnolls. Plenty of giants too.

 Daedleh wrote:
New podcast with lots of Trident Realm spoilers:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/fourfootsnake/Episode_1_-_27OCT15.mp3

Trident Realms sound fun. What alignment will they be?

So, if I wanted to have a pure werewolf/wolf army, I would use The Herd? From the sounds of them, they're basically just Circle of Orboros with centaurs thrown in.

The Herd is the way I am planning to go for just that project.

hmm.. I didn't think of that .. a herd army would be nice. And lucky me, I'm in the middle of making a whole bunch of my very own were-things for Blackwater Gulch. Can the herd have shotguns and colt 45s? guessing no, but the majority are going to be melee oriented models anyhoo.

So for KOW I'll be able to have goblin, lizard, viking and werethings armies. 4 armies for a game I haven't even played yet

 Barzam wrote:
So, if I wanted to have a pure werewolf/wolf army, I would use The Herd? From the sounds of them, they're basically just Circle of Orboros with centaurs thrown in.

Think of the Herd similar to a Narnian army.

The herd is the 'animal' side of nature, while the nature list is the elements and trees coming to war, with a few races mixed in.

I don't have the Herd lists, but do they have large/ monstrous infantry that can be considered Werewolves?

Do I have a way to finally put all my unpainted and primed Wolfen models to use in a game besides the eventual Song of Blades and Heroes warband?

Barzam's comment about being a Circle army makes me wonder if I can toss my Tharns in the mix as well then.

I am intrigued.

Check that KOW2 easy army link. It sounds like Tharns would easily fit in. Lycans are very clearly listed in that army as well. They seem to be lacking in ranged weapons though. Some of the units have thrown weapons and that's about it.

Ogres make a pretty decent list for "all the big lycan things" I think. They even have shotguns for Necros The ogres lack regen abilities, but are just dead tough, which is about the same thing.
If you are rolling Tharn or Rackham wolfen/devourers they have weapons and armor in varying amounts which is pretty sweet. Plus the smaller things like female tharn and such can fit as Red Gobbos (although the number of models per unit will be low).

If you want bigger stuff, throwing in some allies isn't a bad idea. Or use the ogres as the allies.

Did folks see that the new book is up for preorder?

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/books/product/kings-of-war-uncharted-empires.html

Very reasonably priced! A few of us are seeing if the FLGS might order it (they've got the KoW rulebooks in stock now, and they stock very few game systems so really trying to step in for fantasy I think!). If not I'll order it myself... awesome how quickly they were able to get this together!

Are folks from the rules committee on here and able to comment on the lists at all? Here is the summary from the preorder page:

The heat shimmer that ripples above the parched earth does little to mask the horrors that lie assembled before you. You must focus on the task ahead. No plan survives contact with the enemy and the army you face is a howling, ravening horde of death that will test you to the limit. Today will be recorded in history but only one side will write it. Do you have the skill and courage to ensure it is you? Go. The time for war is now!

Welcome to Uncharted Empires, an Army Supplement book for Kings of War, the massed combat tabletop fantasy game set in the magical realm of Mantica. In this book, you are going to find:

- Nine brand new Kings of War armies giving budding generals a whole host of new options and dastardly tricks to outfox and out-fight their opponents, including The Brotherhood, Salamander Armies, The Herd, The League of Rhordia, The Trident Realms of Neritica, The Empire of Dust, Night-Stalker Armies, Ratkin Armies and the Varangur

- New special rules to further enrich your playing experience.

- Lots of new background information on all the armies and the units within them.

This is not a stand-alone game. A copy of Kings of War is required to use the contents of this book.

You don't need a member of the rules committee to comment on most of them - here's most of the lists (subject to minor post-beta changes):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgQY5vVHs_V19N_2lsrpk59SIF9hi6_KDBqkmyitRro/edit#gid=0

The two secret lists are going to start to get spoiled over various podcasts soon.

Yeah I meant the secret lists mostly . So they're named:

The Trident Realms of Neritica
Night-Stalker Armies

From the above quote, but is anything else known yet?

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah I meant the secret lists mostly . So they're named:

The Trident Realms of Neritica
Night-Stalker Armies

From the above quote, but is anything else known yet?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/668501.page#8224238
Matt has a discussion thread started and will begin going over the list on some gaming sites