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Got my DS box today, weirdly enough they had decided that the small ziplock bag containing the tile-clips needed it´s own 30x27x10cm box all to itself

Anyone who successfully puts the resin Keldan hero together deserves a medal. Mines sword snapped in half when I tried to glue his arm on, I couldn't get the other sword blade to stick no matter what I did (literally no idea why they decided to make the blade separate) and I struggled to even attach the feet to the base.

Not particularly bothered as elves with swords aren't exactly hard to come by, but I take my hat off to anyone who manages to get it stuck together without any problems.

I haven't been following the KoW side of this too closely. I got a newsletter today that talked about a Salamander army. Is Mantic doing proper lizardmen or will it just be the actual Salamanders from DS spammed out?
I'm hoping for traditional lizardfolk plus some gangly troglodyte types. Anyone know what's what with this (including dates?)

The did a hard plastic sprue of salamanders (lizardmen) on one of their KS (same one as the abyssal, the KS after the DS one I think),

they are part of the nature faction with the naids (merfolk), but I don't think they're getting anything else?

The Uncharted Empires book is out in about 3 weeks. Nine new KoW armies.

Full army lists and background. Public playtesting was done as per the core army lists.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The did a hard plastic sprue of salamanders (lizardmen) on one of their KS (same one as the abyssal, the KS after the DS one I think),

they are part of the nature faction with the naids (merfolk), but I don't think they're getting anything else?

Their Salamanders struck me as a little on the big sized, I assumed they were roughly an ogre-sized model. Is that not the case?

matt - That's the update I got.. about that book. I got the impression from that newsletter that it would be a full army but I don't know if that's a traditional full army or just a way to use 5x boxes of a regular salamander and call it an army. They did show a picture of a mounted lizard person though so I am hopeful that it'll be a full range.

More like orc sized:

The Salamanders have their own list coming out, which matches the GW Lizard Men lists pretty closely.

 Wehrkind wrote:
The Salamanders have their own list coming out, which matches the GW Lizard Men lists pretty closely.

So base Salamanders are slightly larger than orcs... are they the rank and file or is there a slightly smaller unit? Presumably they'll also have an analog for skinks which might fit the bill for what I'm looking for with my hopes of a scrawny trog-like unit.

Banesword, thank you for that picture. That was really helpful

Kings of War Easy Army Builder says that there are big salamanders on 25x25 and Ghekkotah things on 20x20. Among all sorts of other stuff (large infantry and dinosaurs and burning things.)

Where is the orc bowmen in the Salamander picture from?

The Salamanders look pretty cool to me.

Salamanders are on 25mm bases like orcs.

The Orc archers are Mantic ones. http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/orcs/product/orc-skulks.html

The army lists, including the Salamander one as at the end of the public beta are here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XgQY5vVHs_V19N_2lsrpk59SIF9hi6_KDBqkmyitRro/htmlview#gid=812440539

Thanks Matt.

Metal hybrids, have they been out long? As I completely missed those upon release.

Got my DS today. Seems like everything's there plus a $56 fee from DHL.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thanks Matt.

Metal hybrids, have they been out long? As I completely missed those upon release.

Not very long, no. I just got some in the mail.

Those lizards look pretty good. I've always been more of a skink kinda guy though, looking forward to seeing their version of em. I punish myself over and over again with horde armies. I tell myself I'll never be able to paint that much stuff, then buy it anyway.

I just got a dungeon saga add on for return of valandor all the sudden today.. haven't gotten the main game yet But the minis look a'ight so far. Hoping it'll be easy to learn so I can keep on turning my nephews into nerds.

If only those Salamanders had been ogre sized... sigh.

I'd have been quite happy to run elite lizard armies.

Maybe Mantic will do a plastic Kroxigor equivalent so I can run nothing but that, minus the inherit GW'ness.

So (according to that spreadsheet army list) the Geckos are the equivalents of Skinks.. which.. if they look like the Geico Gecko, that'll work for what I'm looking for.

Aye, the Salamanders look good, just if those are the Saurus level fighters, they're not what I'm after. I'm looking for something closer to the D&D lizardman.. for.. that exact purpose. It's fine if they don't though, when Bones 3 comes in, I'll have that covered and be able to use the Mantic Geckos hopefully for the Trogs I'm looking for.
EDIT: Funny thought, those Salamanders almost look like they've got Tyranid plating. Conversion ideas are already starting to tumble around in my head.

Huh those really do look a *little* tyranid-like. Interesting. They're quite a bit bigger than those orcs too, probably still not ogre sized but pretty darn big for normal infantry. I guess that's what the 25mm bases are for.

 GrimDork wrote:
Huh those really do look a *little* tyranid-like. Interesting. They're quite a bit bigger than those orcs too, probably still not ogre sized but pretty darn big for normal infantry. I guess that's what the 25mm bases are for.

Yeah, looking at the army list, I'm hoping that the Corsairs..or..whatever they're called might be a regular semi-man-sized unit and that those are intended to be Kroxigor type elite soldiers.. That's what I'm hoping but I kinda feel like the more Mantic-knowledgeable people were trying to tell me otherwise... I'm not sure.

I mean, they're most likely meant to be 25mm based lizard men and not 40mm based lizardmen, as that's what they're on. If you have a bunch of smaller scaled lizard men though you may be able to sell the bulky salamanders as the kroxigor unit.

 GrimDork wrote:
I mean, they're most likely meant to be 25mm based lizard men and not 40mm based lizardmen, as that's what they're on. If you have a bunch of smaller scaled lizard men though you may be able to sell the bulky salamanders as the kroxigor unit.

I don't really know anything about Lizardmen in the GW sense. I am looking for them to use for RPGs. The 25mm vs 40mm thing is a bit lost on me, though thinking about ogres being on the larger bases for WHFB I suppose I see your point. Has Mantic been doing that? Not all of the creatures on 40mm bases in GW fill the whole base.. they kinda just put them there because they want them to rank up and it's easier. I have Ogre Kingdom Bulls on tiny bases.. maybe 20s or 25s for use in Heroquest. They wouldn't rank up but they stand on them just fine.

Anyway.. this is another answer that's not an answer.. Are you saying that these are likely the primary warriors and that outside of a smaller skink type unit and a larger kroxigor type unit, that this is pretty much it? Please don't read the tone wrong, I'm not upset, I'm just being super dense and trying to make sure I understand.

From what Ive observed they appear to analogue lizardmen saurus which are regular infantry but on larger bases due to bulk, bigger than men but not almost twice as tall like ogres are. The middle size.

But they are bulky, if the bones 3 lizardmen turned out to be weedy and small, you may be able to use salamanders as the big guys, but they'll never be as big as kroxigor/ogres/trolls, not from how it looks.

I'm not sure that anything else from Mantic for the lizardmen is a guarantee. They were apparently made originally for the Nature army list and got expanded to their own list with the apparent intent of having an army list for GW lizardman players to use. Given how many armies still have units where Mantic has no official figures and you're expected to go third-party, I would not hold my breath on more Mantic lizardmen.

 GrimDork wrote:
From what Ive observed they appear to analogue lizardmen saurus which are regular infantry but on larger bases due to bulk, bigger than men but not almost twice as tall like ogres are. The middle size.

But they are bulky, if the bones 3 lizardmen turned out to be weedy and small, you may be able to use salamanders as the big guys, but they'll never be as big as kroxigor/ogres/trolls, not from how it looks.

ah, that's what I was looking for. Sorry I was being dense..

overtyrant wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
A lot of hot water treatment is going to be required though, predictably.

Only one of my weapons need the hot water treatment, the big guy with a spear. Must of got a good batch!

You must have. I've got a few breaks and about 50% of my figures are going to need the hot water treatment. Nevermind weapons - We're talking warped torsos, legs, the works.

As for these new releases, the Ogres and Zombie Trolls both look good. If they're priced reasonably (as in not approaching GW prices as Mantic seem to be headed to) then I'll probably get a couple of sets of each. The dragon... well I think it's perfectly fine for a boardgame miniature. It's a poor model for a wargaming model, though - and even worse with a rider perched awkwardly on the neck like that. Fat Dungeon Dragon is the answer, clearly. I actually like the Lammasu a lot more than the Dragon-with-rider version.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I'm not sure that anything else from Mantic for the lizardmen is a guarantee. They were apparently made originally for the Nature army list and got expanded to their own list with the apparent intent of having an army list for GW lizardman players to use. Given how many armies still have units where Mantic has no official figures and you're expected to go third-party, I would not hold my breath on more Mantic lizardmen.

They have said that these are offically part of the kow background and if they prove popular they will expand the range, but not anytime soon, so there is the possibility that we'll be seeing more figures in the next few years.

Salamanders will be at the head of the queue for getting Mantic models, but that's a fair way off so don't hold you breath

 Baragash wrote:
Salamanders will be at the head of the queue for getting Mantic models, but that's a fair way off so don't hold you breath

The day the motion starts I'm going to start emailing daily pictures of Goannas to Ronnie and the RC until I get me some monitor lizard minis

Does anybody know when the forces of the abyss (not chaos daemons) are going to be released?