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@AesSedai: I try to avoid pile-on rumors, but it is hard to tell sometimes. If someone brings them to my attention, I try to sort them out and change the second person to 'pile-on'. It also depends on context. Sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between multiple sources and piling on.


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More DA rumors

Just that now that we have the Dark Vengeance set out, I feel like because I posted the rumour that we would be getting a Chaos vs. DA box on 2011/09/30 (for some reason this thread says July 2012) anyone who hitched their wagon to that should have that stated next to their info.

Ahh. Yeah, the dates for stuff are a little up in the air. I had to try to find them after the fact. I will put your date next to yours.

If you find later Chaos vs DA, let me know and I'll add pileon to them.

TheDarkGeneral - Total rumors: (9 TRUE) / (56 FALSE) / (18 PENDING)
Doesn't look too good for Warseer's main source on CSM rumours, does it?
So deleting the hell out of rumour threads is no guarantee for reliable rumour posting, it seems.

yeah, he's Worse than ghost21. Vindications nice though, eh?


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added Stickmonkey's DA rumors


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Added Tasty's mysterious rumor about DA.

Added Hastings WoC rumor


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Huge Stickmonkey updates from GK/Necrons/Eldar.


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Still contemplating speculation. Is there any way for us to know when someone is speculating and accurately code them? Should we code speculation differently? Something that came up in another thread.

Found the following in the DA thread: " Snape missiles pretty much take you out immediately" posted by pretre. Don't know if this is already in the rumour list in the OP.

Heh. We'd have to add the Slytherin heavy vehicle as well.


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All Chaos rumors that can be confirmed by the codex (i.e. not release rumors) have been updated.

Some of the TRUE entries for Hastings re CSM look a little dubious.

Obliterators dual kit with Mauler (CC) Oblits TRUE

Isn't that false, since they are separate?

New csm marines (could be recut with added bits? Either way I didn't recognise them as current ones - but then again my 40k fu is weak!) TRUE

False, innit? Particularly in tandem with the other entry: "Chosen very nice too" as it shows it wasn't confused with the new DV chosen models.

Some odd walker thing TRUE

I don't believe we have seen any walker except the 2 new daemon engines, and they are covered by a different rumour in the same list: "Two deamonic Centauroid cannon things a bit iffy", so the above should be false, no?

Are they separate? The oblits. My bad. I will update.

I figuerd he was talking about DV. I will dup the chosen one then.

I'm gonna too vague the odd walker since it is just too hard to tell what he is talking about.


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There. Updated one to pending (in case a new CSM kit comes out) and the walker to to vague. Also put the oblit dual to false.

More food for your list: SM on tau

Added Stickmonkey's tau rumors.

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Added Hastings WoC rumor


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Huge Stickmonkey updates from GK/Necrons/Eldar.


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Still contemplating speculation. Is there any way for us to know when someone is speculating and accurately code them? Should we code speculation differently? Something that came up in another thread.

I personally ignore speculation entirely. It is just the rumor monger taking the evidence he has been given and stating "heah it could have this meaning", nothing really different than you or I taking a bit of rumor and running with it.

So whenever I see a sentence start out with "This is just me speculating,..." I just gloss over the statement and move on down the post.

Hmm. I like that. I can try to leave them out entirely.

If anyone sees any that are pure speculation, let me know and we'll drop them out.

I found a couple of wrong or at least debatable classifications for TastyTaste:

"Yeah this will be the chart to end all charts and competitive players will cry everywhere because it is random. All 60+random abilities! Yes you heard it right over 60! How it works I don’t know, but characters can get multiple rolls on the chart through various methods." - It's a d66 table with less than 60 results. So, the basic idea is correct, the details are not.

"That means you have five new Icons and the same four marks, in which units can have a combination of two" - His description sounds like a free combination of the two, although four of the icons can only be used by the appropriate mark

" Princes do not make cults troops, but sorcerors do" - the first part is correct, the second is only correct for thousand sons

Edit: I would not change the overall accuracy result, since he got the basics right; maybe just a note next to the rumours. And a similar treatment for other slightly off rumours.

Yeah, I gave those true because they were mostly true. I'll put notes.

To the OP, what do you hope to achieve by tracking rumour mongers posts and displaying for everyone anything they get wrong branding it FALSE in big red letters other than putting people off posting anything????

Why not contribute some rumours of your own, mind you as you've made such a piss poor job of tracking and reporting openly accessible written FACTS by each of the rumour mongers I doubt your posts would make for much reading! Lol

Try being supportive of those who go out on a limb to bring their fellow hobbyists exciting news and rumours, even if some do turn out to be wrong, rather than trying to put them off posting. I suggest that this, and other forums would be pretty boring if no one posted rumours!

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To the OP, what do you hope to achieve by tracking rumour mongers posts and displaying for everyone anything they get wrong branding it FALSE in big red letters other than putting people off posting anything????

I hope to force the false rumor mongers like Ghost21 and TDG out of the rumor game and keep real rumor mongers like yourself or Stickmonkey in the game.

Why not contribute some rumours of your own, mind you as you've made such a piss poor job of tracking and reporting openly accessible written FACTS by each of the rumour mongers I doubt your posts would make for much reading! Lol

I have no rumors to contribute because I do not have any contacts in the know. Anything I created would be false because I would just be making it up. As for my tracking record, I work to keep the list as accurate as possible. I encourage anyone to let me know if I track something incorrectly so that I could fix it. If you see something that is incorrect about your, or anyone else's, record, please let me know and I will have it corrected.

Try being supportive of those who go out on a limb to bring their fellow hobbyists exciting news and rumours, even if some do turn out to be wrong, rather than trying to put them off posting. I suggest that this, and other forums would be pretty boring if no one posted rumours!

I am absolutely supportive of fellow hobbyists who bring exciting news and rumors. People who have a couple wrong over time but largely are correct have nothing to worry about. You, for example, are known for your good rumors and your record reflects that. Even Stickmonkey, who has a lower rating than yourself, has the same opinion on his record that I do, he predicts much further out than anyone else and this is reflected in his record.

TLDR: I am not supportive of people who make crap up to try to get page hits or internet fame. I am very supportive of rumor mongers who try to keep the community in the know.

I still think this thread will act as a deterrent to future posters and is in fact counter productive. I myself have finished with the hobby, and after LM next year (well a few bits more after too ) will also be finished posting rumours. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my posts, but you will put off rumour posters of the future if you are going to openly dissect and record everything they say.

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I still think this thread will act as a deterrent to future posters and is in fact counter productive. I myself have finished with the hobby, and after LM next year (well a few bits more after too ) will also be finished posting rumours. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about my posts, but you will put off rumour posters of the future if you are going to openly dissect and record everything they say.

Sorry to hear that you are leaving the hobby. Although I haven't directly interacted with you, I can say that you have had a big impact on the community through your rumors.

I don't think that it will put off rumor posters in the future who are legitimate in their posts. I think it may dissaude the garbage hit generators and internet celebs from putting out their crap, which I am fine with.

As for dissecting everything, we just made the decision not to track speculation based on some discussion, so people can be off the record whenever they want.

No problem, guess we'll just see who's right

hehe. Fair enough. Kind of off-topic, but why are you leaving the hobby?

I hate the quality & cost of finecrap, I hate that gw refuse to aknowledge the quality issues of finecrap, I hate that they've conned people into thinking the flaws of finecrap are acceptable AND that they should part with extra £ to buy what are basically repair kits, I hate that the kits are getting more childlike (the new CSM kits are the best proof of this I could offer up), I hate the way they are putting aside all the things that for me made warhammer/w40k universes so appealing (I.e. the fluff) in favour of making a quick £ (I.e. soul grinder in fantasy, trying to get owners of any and every army to buy random monsters/daemons etc in storm of magic), but most of all I hate the way GW treat their customers they don't listen to any feedback and believe their own lies. I could go into more detail but I won't.

Whilst this is GWs downfall (for me) it's also made me realise other companies (now more than ever!) are offering excellent quality, value and good rule sets as well as working alongside the customer to provide the best service possible, this in my opinion is what the hobby should be like, a hobby should be fun, having to return a model 14 times and wait 4 months from initial purchase to get a usable product all because GW want to use the cheapest material and casting method possible but charge a premium product price is definately not fun.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell

Understandable. Well thanks for the responses. I appreciate it.


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Hi Hastings,

I agree that it is difficult or even impossible to quantify the "credibility" of rumour mongers, but in my opinion this is not what the thread is about.

Nobody knows better than you that we currently have a flood of people who use the rumour blackout to flood forums like Warseer, Faeit 212 and Dakka with completely made-up stuff. Remember when you almost ragequit rumour posting because of ghost21 and then posted the content of the 40k starter? That is the main reason for this thread, to reveal impostors, not to piss off real rumour mongers. It is not about percentages but the general picture. And some impostors HAVE been revealed. While other lists are full of GREEN.

Real Rumour mongers are aware that they can't be always correct and accept that as part of the rumour business. If they are good, they themself make a short remark on the credibility of their rumours/sources. Rumour posting is not always appreciated by other posters, rumour mongers can be criticized harshly even when the rumours turn out to be true (see Harry with his White Lion Chariot). So you need a thick skin to keep on posting rumours. If a potential rumour poster is afraid that he might lower his percentage in this rumour tracking thread, he might not survive long anyways.

While the list is far from perfect, it is also nice to browse old rumours and see who predicted what. Helps people believe Tastytaste more even if they don't like his style, helps people take enough salt for posters with less perfect sources. Guess that is where this list will evolve in the long run.

Just my thoughts as a part time rumour monger and rumour collector.

Hello Hastings,

As someone who has also followed and compiled rumors for about 2 years now for a local website, I can also appreciate what pretre is trying to accomplish with this thread and how the project has adapted due to constructive critism from the community (both from rumor sources, rumor compilers, and the guys who simply enjoy reading rumor posts).

FWIW (and that is little I know), I have appreciated your contributions to the rumor world and wish you the best.

As I have always said, I will take any and all feedback to improve the list. At its heart, the idea is to provide a resource to the community.

So an idea that came up in a Warseer thread that discusses this thread.

What if we were to change to something like this?

pretre - Total rumors: (2 ACCURATE) / (2 INACCURATE) / (3 PARTIALLY ACCURATE/VAGUE)

It would change some of the accusatory language and allow us to separate out the rumors that are barely true or barely false into a separate category.

I suppose that is the world we live in now...

Everyone gets a trophy!

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I suppose that is the world we live in now...

Everyone gets a trophy!

Everyone except you. You don't get a trophy.