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Made it past $30k toward the end of day 2. Was Children of the Revolution that slow? WtA tore it up, I remember.


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$5000 for a silk bookmark.

Since a lot of KS have bits in the middle that pull in few backers, and little money several companies are experimenting with shorter KS projects by dropping a week or two,

and having a bit with slow progress means folk in the comments start moaning about it slowing down and POTENTIALLY putting off new backers

Looking at the stats for WtA it fits this profile

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-werewolf-the-apocalypse-20th-anniversary-ed/#chart-daily

so they may well feel a shorter period like this may give more cash overall (especially as Mummy probably has fewer nostalgia buyers interested in it)

Looking at Kicktraq

That's a fascinating chart! I like how you have the early adopters and the last minuters and nothing in between! Since you pointed out that Mummy will have fewer nostalgia buyers, what do you think that chart will look like?

I guess we should keep in mind that this is probably not very different from how purchases of relatively obscure RPGs look in other channels. Fans know a thing is going to come out and are certain that they will buy it. And as soon as they can, they spend money on it. Other than those fans, there aren't a huge amount of other buyers. With Mummy, neither day one nor the fall off on day two should be so high given that not as many folks will have heard of the project before news of the KS gets around relative to the expectations surrounding W20. But once the fall off happens, I expect it will be severe.

This is exactly what puzzles me about the structure of this project. Asking for a sixth of your goal to push the first (and so far only) "deluxe" feature when you can bank on this kind of fall-off seems to indicate that they had already abandoned any serious intention of creating a Deluxe Edition before starting the project. That is even more apparent given that the next goal, $10,000 after the $5,000 goal, is not a deluxe feature at all but some kind of novella cycle. The rumored further goal is a GM er, storyteller screen. So what would that put us at for getting even a second deluxe feature? $60,000?

V20 had (1) full color, (2) silk bookbarks, (3) gilt pages, (4) leather cover, (5) cover embossing, and (6) spine medallion. IIRC, W20 has all the same. At this rate, the possibility of MtC getting similar treatment seems nill. And that makes sense. I mean, why would a new game get the 20th Anniversary treatment? I just wish WW or Onyx Path or whoever (Rich Thomas) would have been more open about that over the last few months as he constantly referred to a MtC "deluxe edition."

As things stand, I'm comfortable keeping my low-ball pledge here. I don't want a slew of pdfs and honestly, Suleiman's talent as an author completely notwithstanding, I really don't want any hypothetical pdf novellas. If the best I can get out of this is the kind of book WW/CCP used to ship to retailers, and I can get that book for $40, I'm fine with it. But I'm also fine not throwing anymore pennies at the project -- which will ultimately make me feel less guilty for pledging $120+ for a properly deluxe M20 later in the year, I guess.

Or a nWoD Pimp: The Backhanding

I don't think my interest has ever died as quickly as it did after finding out it was a nWoD version of Mummy.

Save me money, though.

Yup, Mummy was about the only OWoD I never even dabbled in. I'm going to pass on this one.

Sadly nwod means no sale for me, I'm happy with my second edition Mummies for WoD, and can't see any use for this.

Going to save up for the next W20 Kickstarter, as this one has been clearly funded, hence I can see no reason why they would not continue with their current plans as using the site as a funding medium.

Deluxe Hunters Hunted II is now live on kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-hunters-hunted-ii?ref=live

Cheers for the link mate.

An important note for V20 fans, is that they have added a V20 ST Screen as a pledge level to come with the HH2 hardback. $60 for US residents, $70 for non US.

Just a note on what has been going on over on the Kickstarter over the last couple of weeks.

Well it was funded, pretty quickly as it happens, and Rich has come up with some nice stretches this time around. They are offering additional information, initially as a PDF file, but as thresholds have been passed, they are being added into the main book itself.

So far we have added an Inquisition section and a Project Twilight section. Any Mage the Ascension fans waiting in the wings should be aware that they will be offering a section on the Arcanum as the next stretch.
I would imagine like with Project Twilight section looking at both the Vampire and Garou effects of the Project in recent years, this Mage stretch will grant a little info on the Ascension Mages.

Worth a look surely, plus with the Inquisition in there, its now a potential antagonist book for all the WoD settings.

Wasn't going to jump on it, but I'm tempted now with the added sections and seeing that it's cheaper than I assumed at first.

Always enjoyed Project: Twilight(in fact, I played a SAD agent at my very first New Orleans by Night Mind's Eye Theatre one shot) and Hunter, really only the cost aspect holding me back.

V20

Has anyone commented yet on how "vigesimal" this concept is?

...I'll get my coat.

(Unless someone actually gets that reference)

 Mannahnin wrote:

V20

Has anyone commented yet on how "vigesimal" this concept is?

...I'll get my coat.

(Unless someone actually gets that reference)

Someone's a Math Nerd.

I know I haven't had a lot of good things to say about Rich's KickStarters so far but he's running HHII impeccably. My only concern is that Onyx Path does not consciously start with slimmed down products and then pad them out with stretch goals a la EA DLC or something.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:

V20

Has anyone commented yet on how "vigesimal" this concept is?

...I'll get my coat.

(Unless someone actually gets that reference)

Someone's a Math Nerd.

Thanks for dignifying it with a guess. It's actually an very old-school WW reference as well.

Received my W20 PDF link today. Downloading now.

Yeah mine is down, loving the look of the book, although I really dislike PDF books, I wanted to check my two Legend credits, and although correct are not next to each other, so have requested Richard if there is any chance they could be before printing. (A pair of twins from my campaign)

Loving some of the stuff on there, Totems for some of the lesser known sub tribes and gifts etc, should be a beauty once the Steel-book and the tome arrive.

Oh and apologies Mannahnin, this one flew under my radar after the last kickstarter ended, but I sadly would not have gotten that joke.. Mage related? (My weakest WoD knowledge.)

MDS, what page of the PDF do the Legend credits begin? Nuance hates the graphics on the borders and is taking forever for me to read through thanks to slow loading.

Right near the back, pull it down, it'll skip a bit and take a few moments to load each third or so you pull down, but once its on the last page, scroll up past the pic, Werewolf sheet and the appendixes to find the 'reward ranks section, Legends is the last, and will the first you find.

Thanks!

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Oh and apologies Mannahnin, this one flew under my radar after the last kickstarter ended, but I sadly would not have gotten that joke.. Mage related? (My weakest WoD knowledge.)

Yay, someone indulges my weakness for obscure gaming trivia!

No, it's a reference to Masquerade, the original vampire LARP rules. If you'll recall you used adjectives for Traits, describing your character's physical, social, and mental abilities. So for physical 3 I might choose Wiry, Powerful, and Quick. For Social 5 I might choose Witty x2, Perceptive x2, Friendly x1. The rules gave example lists of traits, and said it was okay to use others if you wanted, but you had to be reasonable about it. That you shouldn't use obscure words so we all had to carry around copies of the OED to reference whenever some joker busted out a "vigesimal".

 Mannahnin wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Oh and apologies Mannahnin, this one flew under my radar after the last kickstarter ended, but I sadly would not have gotten that joke.. Mage related? (My weakest WoD knowledge.)

Yay, someone indulges my weakness for obscure gaming trivia!

No, it's a reference to Masquerade, the original vampire LARP rules. If you'll recall you used adjectives for Traits, describing your character's physical, social, and mental abilities. So for physical 3 I might choose Wiry, Powerful, and Quick. For Social 5 I might choose Witty x2, Perceptive x2, Friendly x1. The rules gave example lists of traits, and said it was okay to use others if you wanted, but you had to be reasonable about it. That you shouldn't use obscure words so we all had to carry around copies of the OED to reference whenever some joker busted out a "vigesimal".

Ah, ok. I'd never played the older LARP rules, only the "By Night" versions. And generally, pre-made characters as it was mostly at events. My only semi-regular was a Werewolf Baton Rouge By Night.

Hmm, it would seem the next Kickstarter will be Exalted 3rd edition.

An interesting choice, not one of the lines I ever played much, but I will keep an eye on it just in case I decide to jump in.

No idea when yet, but as they are announcing it as incoming, I would guess within the month. Any exalted fans out there?

I'm a pretty big fan of Exalted. I wonder how they are going to manage a full release schedule for Exalted using Kickstarter. Unless they are going for a more modest edition.

Holy crap, this thing is likely to break $200k before the day is out. That's kind of insane for an RPG kickstarter, hell, that's kind of insane for any kickstarter short of the videogame ones looking for $1 million or more. I figure the WoD stuff was never a big draw for me, but I have a lot of fond (and not so fond during 2nd Edition) memories of Exalted. The current dev team put out some solid stuff near the tail end of 2nd Edition (some of my favourite stuff ever published for Exalted) and seem to get what people are looking for. So I am totally down for the book. May have to grab one of those cloth maps.

Hmm, lesse, between this, Deadzone and Warzone I am fast reaching the $1000 mark on KS investments... I may need to stop soon.

Aye, it went live yesterday, it was closer than I thought and by the fates I wasn't expecting that big a run off the bat. That's up there with the Werewolf launch, impressive.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-exalted-3rd-edition?ref=users

I'm truly shocked by this. I always thought Exalted was the laughing stock of (playable) RPG games. I really had no idea the game had that many fans.

I'll pass. I'd rather read through it before I buy. I was disappointed with some of the options Dragonblooded lost from 1st to 2nd.

 Manchu wrote:
I'm truly shocked by this. I always thought Exalted was the laughing stock of (playable) RPG games. I really had no idea the game had that many fans.

It vacillates quite a bit. I have very fond memories of early 1st Edition and early 2nd wasn't too terrible. The worst bits came usually during the mid-life of the game when they had quality control issues from books not written by the original core team (though the core in both 1st and 2nd could use a lot of tweaks, especially 2nd's mass combat and social combat rules).

That said, the later stuff produced during the Ink Monkeys/Onyx Path era (i.e. late late 2nd Edition) the stuff they wrote for the line was actually really awesome.

The game was actually jury-rigged to work within the confines of the not-so-great core system. A lot of bad charm sets had been fixed and things looked quite good. But the errata documents needed to do this were so big by this point that running the fixed game was an exercise in frustration.

So I am backing on the strength of their core design team and the excellent work they they produced despite a less than awesome core to work with. If they stick to a leaner publishing schedule worked on only by the main team or with heavy oversight (the latter was the biggest issue in 2nd because quality control was horrendous and produced crap like Scroll of the Monk) and a clear vision, then 3rd Edition will be stellar.

I'm interested to see what these guys can do when given free reign to actually fix the core of the system, because they did great work when given authority to prune and sculpt the last edition.

Exalted has loads of fans but a lot of us were lost along the way because of QC issues in prior editions. A lot of this is solved by WW/OP being a lot leaner than they were back in those days. Their restructuring has lead to some great things, and I hope 3rd Edition will be one of them. Either way it is still one of the most awesome settings in modern gaming with a lot of depth and lore backing it up. It has just needed the right team to really spend some time hammering out a proper rule set for it. And from my experience with the current team, I think they're the guys for the job.